amibovered Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Johndoe said: The biggest obstacle for the DUP to align will be the question of a soft, or hard border between the Republic. The general consensus is that the Brexit vote was carried mainly on the strength of tightening border control. The DUP want a soft border, the Brexit vote is generally considered as wanting a hard border. So do the tories concede a soft border to the DUP in return for their support, and thereby allow "immigration by the back door"? Interesting point, apparently the DUP want a hard Brexit but soft border, not sure how that's supposed to work, whatever happens they would never do anything to topple the Tories while Corbyn is Lab leader. Edited June 9, 2017 by amibovered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Collie said: Tories To Make Deal With DUP After Satan Pulls Out June 9, 2017 - BREAKING NEWS, POLITICS, WORLD NEWS She4.5KSHARES 2View Comments BRITISH PM THERESA May is set to confirm to the Queen that she has struck a deal with Northern Ireland’s DUP party, following the sad news Satan pulled his support for the Conservatives after having ‘second thoughts’, WWN can confirm. It is believed May, driven by a strong and stable desire to cling to power in an act of naked self-preservation, no matter the consequences for the British public, struck a deal with a party known for its misogynist and bigoted views. “Don’t forget they hate science and seem happy enough not to condemn terror groups like the UDA/UVF,” Satan explained to WWN, speaking exclusively from the fiery pits of hell. “Look, we all have to draw the line somewhere, I was looking forward to helping Theresa carve out the worst possible vision for Britain with policies that would punish the most vulnerable in society, but **** me, have you seen the DUP? That was my call to exit stage left,” added the fallen angel. Hailed as a triumphant political masterstroke by leading Tory idiots; enlisting the help of the DUP party, made up of level headed politicians with a similar number of ongoing scandals and corruption allegations as the Tories, is seen as great start to moving Britain forward. “We had considerable bother finding the ruddy place on the map, but turns out it’s just left up by Scotland and across the sea,” confirmed a Tory spokesperson, outlining the location of Northern Ireland. “Having a bunch of lunatics constantly threatening to the pull the plug on this government as we negotiate with the EU, I can’t think of a better way to govern, can you?” added the spokesperson. The first part of the proposed deal between the two parties will see the DUP receive a shipment of over 300,000 miniature Union Jack flags. Bloody brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 29 minutes ago, amibovered said: Interesting point, apparently the DUP want a hard Brexit but soft border, not sure how that's supposed to work, whatever happens they would never do anything to topple the Tories while Corbyn is Lab leader. And that will last for about 6 weeks until all the Tory grandees and right wingers find their strings being pulled by Arlene Foster and the rest of the DUP, who have never exhibited any real smarts, now have they. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: And that will last for about 6 weeks until all the Tory grandees and right wingers find their strings being pulled by Arlene Foster and the rest of the DUP, who have never exhibited any real smarts, now have they. And what do you think is likely to happen, the DUP to let Corbyn have a sniff of power, never,never,never. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 As an Australian I'm a bit confused. The UK was governed by the EU which UKip didn't like so they had a referendum to leave the EU, and in doing so managed to become the EU's bitch and became governed by a group of Irish people who think they are British? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, newjez said: As an Australian I'm a bit confused. The UK was governed by the EU which UKip didn't like so they had a referendum to leave the EU, and in doing so managed to become the EU's bitch and became governed by a group of Irish people who think they are British? Very confused, clearly you don't have a clue, who the hell are you to tell someone they are not British. Edited June 9, 2017 by amibovered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 On 2017-4-18 at 11:28, Sunset said: This is why shes the best option for the new Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, amibovered said: Very confused, clearly you don't have a clue, who the hell are you to tell someone they are not British. Well I guess Ireland is part of the British isles, so all Irish are British I guess. Maybe they think they are English? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/dup-terror-links-skeletons-cupboard-10593921 Let's hope they aren't judged on the company they keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 hours ago, amibovered said: Very confused, clearly you don't have a clue, who the hell are you to tell someone they are not British. Confused, who's confused, it is only the remains of the Protestant colonial power who did the English landlords dirty work that see themselves as British and they are in a minority. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenol Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) How can anyone defend this anything other than the most phyrric of phyrric victories for the Conservatives? It is a total disaster. May has not a hope of governing effectively - it will essentially be on a bill by bill basis. She can forget about a 'hard' Brexit: - She has 0 - ZERO credibility in Brussels & will have her eurosceptic wing gunning for her - The DUP will not tolerate a hard Irish border - Can she even muster enough support with the DUP anyway? Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry et al will be the kingmakers Jeremy Corbyn has solidified his credibility within his PLP and demonstrated that he is a viable leader of the opposition. They are now united and a far more dangerous opponent for the Conservatives than 6 weeks ago. Edited June 9, 2017 by Phenol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Well that didn't turn out as people wanted just had a request on FB to sign a petition to stop the conservative and DUP forming a government what is it with people today if they don't get the right result they throw the toys out of the pram and demand another vote. Didnt get this last time round when labour coudnt do a deal with the lib- dems and a coalition government was formed by two parties on the opposite end of the political spectrum , people need to understand this is how Westminster works , deals are done all the time that most of us know nothing about. it might just work out , with Corbin getting a lot more seats than expected and being able to keep the cons on their toes and not able to rail road things through. interesting times ahead that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 A few people feeling a bit embarrassed today after their wild predictions yesterday. As you were everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 5 hours ago, newjez said: Well I guess Ireland is part of the British isles, so all Irish are British I guess. Maybe they think they are English? Nah! Scots/German/ Dutch with a few Chichesters thrown in from Devon and Wales for good luck :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 How come you have all these novelty candidates in the UK like Elmo, Mr Fish Finger, and other joke candidates ? It was a bit weird seeing Theresa May give her acceptance speech standing alongside Elmo from Sesame Street. We don't have that in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Parley said: A few people feeling a bit embarrassed today after their wild predictions yesterday. As you were everyone. The only predictions I heard were either a Tory majority or a hung Parliament. Surely nobody expected a Labour win. They were over 20 points behind in the polls when the election was called. Or do you mean the predictions that Labour would be wiped off the political map? Those predictions are really embarrassing I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Parley said: How come you have all these novelty candidates in the UK like Elmo, Mr Fish Finger, and other joke candidates ? It was a bit weird seeing Theresa May give her acceptance speech standing alongside Elmo from Sesame Street. We don't have that in Australia. I think that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rallyman said: Well that didn't turn out as people wanted just had a request on FB to sign a petition to stop the conservative and DUP forming a government what is it with people today if they don't get the right result they throw the toys out of the pram and demand another vote. Didnt get this last time round when labour coudnt do a deal with the lib- dems and a coalition government was formed by two parties on the opposite end of the political spectrum , people need to understand this is how Westminster works , deals are done all the time that most of us know nothing about. it might just work out , with Corbin getting a lot more seats than expected and being able to keep the cons on their toes and not able to rail road things through. interesting times ahead that's for sure. In some ways the lib dems are closer to the Tories than they are labour. At least in their members take home pay. You could call the lib dems wet Tories. I think you would struggle to call them blairite. But it would be hard for them to identify with the dup. Likewise if labour went in with sinn fein people would have something to say. Likewise people who voted to stay in the single market object to a hard brexit. I guess that's what happens when you have an election and it's not clear what you are voting for. Much more simple in Australia. Edited June 10, 2017 by newjez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Phenol said: How can anyone defend this anything other than the most phyrric of phyrric victories for the Conservatives? It is a total disaster. May has not a hope of governing effectively - it will essentially be on a bill by bill basis. She can forget about a 'hard' Brexit: - She has 0 - ZERO credibility in Brussels & will have her eurosceptic wing gunning for her - The DUP will not tolerate a hard Irish border - Can she even muster enough support with the DUP anyway? Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry et al will be the kingmakers Jeremy Corbyn has solidified his credibility within his PLP and demonstrated that he is a viable leader of the opposition. They are now united and a far more dangerous opponent for the Conservatives than 6 weeks ago. Can't wait for question time. Do you think she will turn up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Falling apart before it even begins http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/ruth-davidson-planning-scottish-tory-breakaway-challenges-theresa/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-lord-alan-sugar-opinion-jeremy-corbyn-labour-voters-minority-government-a7781421.html Lard sugar says Corbyn voters didn't know what they were voting for. Yes they did. They were voting so that lard sugar would pay their university fees! Edited June 10, 2017 by newjez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 succinctly put Mr Mogg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collie Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 May will be gone by Oct. and election by Xmas (at the latest) Do some research on the DUP, they are extreme social conservatives and very religious. Didn't want to run by Brussels but happy to be run by Belfast (well East Belfast). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Collie said: May will be gone by Oct. and election by Xmas (at the latest) Do some research on the DUP, they are extreme social conservatives and very religious. Didn't want to run by Brussels but happy to be run by Belfast (well East Belfast). Belfast isn't a foreign country last time I looked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfustu Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Its been well reported how bad Teresa Mays campaign was and it is fair to say she cocked up on a couple of issues......dementia tax and failing to attend the leaders debate etc etc......JC on the other hand had a blinding campaign........he started slow but was like a steam train towards the end........he has the backing of the unions and an independent group (momentum) mobilising students across the country.....utilising social media to band together voters even driving them to the polling stations so they can vote.....but with all that assistance and help he still finished 50 odd seats behind a poor, some might say pathetic conservative party......how on earth is he going to win......things can't really get much better for him.....can they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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