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    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    the decision was taken to do it now because there will not be a better time......school holidays also start now so there will not be any transmission of the virus that way.....if you wait even a few weeks longer then school holidays are over.....we are edging closer to autumn and the already increased threat of other respiritory viruses circulating as well as Covid....a double whammy that is a direct result of lockdown.....we are expecting a huge wave of flu deaths this year no thanks to lockdowns.....wth the virus surging through the younger population now and over the coming 4 or 5 weeks there should be a higher level of immunity on top of the already vaccinated population going into autumn.....the bottom line is.....don't be afraid of infections......its now or never and never is not something that anyone should be contemplating.....even those of you that are terrified of the virus and that accounts for most on this website.....I was listening to Ben Fordham earlier.....he is saying what a lot of people were saying here 6 - 9 months ago.....you just cannot continue endlessly with lock downs. I dare you to listen to him..... https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/why-dont-we-get-fair-dinkum-ben-fordham-calls-on-n
  2. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    eh? of course you can pass it onto someone else jabbed or not jabbed.....if you are carrying the virus then you can pass it on....the risk is lower if jabbed but you can definately transmit it....what are you being fed by the Oz governments and press? We currently have it in our house.....all isolating....my wife and I fully vaccinated and my 2 boys not vaccinated.....one has it (eldest) the other does not....hes been isolating with us and has been testing himself every other day but always negative (we are starting to suspect that maybe he had the virus already months ago when it was not as contegious).....we have had very mild symptoms.....a cold for a cpl of days...thats it....my isolation period expires tomorrow.....my wife and boys is on Friday as I passed it onto them....I am double jabbed.... I caught it and passed it on. I know lots of people that have caught it in the past week or 2.....one lad works for me and had the virus in January.....it must have been the Kent variant he had as that was doing the rounds back then.....I bumped into him at Wembley on Sunday during the final......he was with 7 mates and they all got involved with the celebrations during the day and watched the game in basement of a pub/restaurant in Wembley......all of his mates have since tested positive (3 - 4 days after the final) except him.....he is negative and we think thats because he had the virus in January.....albeit a different variant....he was the only one of his mates to have had it previously and not to have caught it.
  3. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    when would be a safe time to open up? there will never be a 100% safe time to open up......this zero covid approach will not work......if you insist on that approach you will never open up.....it wont happen because you will never erradict this.....even when Oz achieves a 70 - 80% vaccination target there will still be people un vaccinated that will catch it....you will catch it when you are vaccinated so this zero appraoch wont happen.....there will come a time in Oz when you have to accept transmission of this virus and people going to hospital if you want to move away from lock downs.....vaccinate your population and learn to live with the virus......the only alternative is what you have had over the past 18 months.....lock downs and closed borders. Look at what is happening in Sydney at the moment..... https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/ben-fordham-says-nsw-lockdown-cant-go-on/news-story/be5208e63c161ac71c56d0e244be797d
  4. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    I am not going to appologise for my style of writing......thats just ridiculous.....not only do you want everyone to tow your line on coronavirus but it appears you also want everyone to express themselves in a similar fashion.....all of my responses have been "respectfully disagreeing" within the rules of this forum.....why not respond to the contents of my reply rather than complain about my style of reply?
  5. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Abrasive?.....patronising?.....not unexpected?......is this your normal reply to someone that disagrees with you? Sorry but I totally disagree with you (again)......you and most others using this thread continualy quote the UK as being some kind of pariah.....to carry out zero covid Oz closed its borders at the end of March 20.....when your borders closed you had a 7 day average of under 100 infections (most of them were on a cruise ship!)......if we wanted to achieve the same we would have had to do the same in December 19.....the whole of Europe was dealing with this from the outset and as early as December 19.....we have suffered a similar fate to the rest of Europe and the states and many many other countries out there......what you are really saying is that the rest of the world apart from Oz and NZ fcked up and that is frankly naive at best......plain sh@t stirring at worst.....like the rest of the world we dealt with it as best as we could in the circumstances.....the gloating that has followed on this thread is what is fcked up....I drop in and out of this website and I can tell you hand on heart that does not change.....nothing on here changes.....sure there are some genuine folk....they are sadly overshadowed so when I do come on here and read the numerous negative comments, posts and threads....the beastings that are dished out conveyor belt style I am compelled to respond.....if that makes me abrasive and patronising then I make no apology for that...."you have enimies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life"
  6. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    There was an idiot that used to write on here some years ago....I often wonder if he has changed his tune these days but he ran this place down for fun....still lived here.....wanted to move to Oz but used god knows how many excuses for not going....pensions....wifes job....kids education you name it....very vocal in his negative views on the UK....If I didn't know better I would have put this type of post (below) down to him..... I don't live in Oz but I am pretty sure you have had some restrictions placed on you over the past 18 months....closed borders.....Melbourne lock downs.....Sydney Lock downs....months and months worth of lock downs.....maybe you can clarify that for me?......I am not surprised by a lot of the posts and responses I read on here.....lets be honest....this website is hardly a fair representation of Australia.....I would hazard a guess that the average person on here would be between 50 - 60 years old......home owner.....good income/pension.....little or no financial insecurities.....UK passport holder/or family.....grown up kids....there definately seems to be some self justification taking place amongst some of you....well thats my take on it anyway.....maybe thats just me.
  7. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    I don't think you had much choice did you?....horses for courses.....I have read a lot about death over the past 12 months.....contrary to what some of you might think or read we don't have people dropping dead on street corners or being delivered to A&E in the back of a pick up truck (like in India)......from a personal perspective I don't know anyone that has died from this virus.....up until a couple of weeks ago I knew a handful of people that had caught it pretty much all of them had little or no symptoms.....this Indian variant seems to be doing the rounds mind you....Its disastrous that so many people have died (lets not forget the average age of a person dying from it is still around 80).....its disastrous that our country has had to carry out numerous lockdowns and disastrous that people have died because of lockdowns and livelihoods lost....its been a disaster for the whole world....not just the UK. We had a bad flu year in 2018.....I think most of the world did tbf....during the depths of that bad flu season we had 300 - 400 people dying a day....yeh I was quite shocked as well when I read it.....people die from these viruses....thats what happens....the only difference being how it is reported. Ive been reading this website for years now....since 2008 I think....in that time all I have ever seen or read on here over the years has been about how crap the UK does things compared to Australia....its not a coincidence you know.....first off it was the GFC....the UK was on its arse....we had paedophiles on every street.....our carparking spaces are too small, too few and far too expensive.....that barbaric attack on Lee Rigby and the coutry was over run with ISIS extremists on every corner wanting to blow someone up or cut their head off.....2014 the referendum reared its ugly head and all of a sudden we are a nation of knuckle draggers.....Brexit came and no one could articulate an argument....not all Brexiteers are racist but all racists are Brexiteers (remember that one)......dont console yourself by negative comparisons to us....don't fall into that trap of comparing us with you....we are worlds apart.
  8. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    I think thats your problem Parley.....and I mean specifically you....you do not to me appear to consider anything else other than your own well being....we have dscussed this in the past about the effects of lockdowns on peoples well being.....mental health....the devastaing affect it can have with job losses etc....you and a few others dismissed it out of hand.....not possible that someone would take their own life because of lock down affects......do you still hold that view I wonder?.....here in the UK I can remember reading something when we were in the depths of another lock down that the London Ambulance service were being called out to almost double the normal amount of suicide call outs.....numbers speak for themselves.....but you feel nice, safe and secure so whats to worry about....
  9. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    losing 8 billion $ a month is your economy returning to normal? Sorry but from a covid perspective you cannot compare the UK with Australia.....their locations dictate that.....you are isolated 365 days a year.....that is life in Australia.....when you look across the world, population density has played a big part in how this virus has progressed.....look at what happened in melbourne a year or so ago......some poor decisions with security led to the virus getting out and within the densly populated areas of Melbourne it spread.....people died.....thats what happens.....our small country has 3 times the people that you do.....we get 40 million visitors a year and you get 8 million.....I know it gives you a nice warm feeling inside to try and compare the 2 countries but its a non starter.....the logistics....the size of populations.....people movements etc etc etc......if you want to compare yourselves with anyone try New Zealand....much more compaible.....loctation....population density.....visitors etc etc....mmmmmm theres a thought.
  10. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    maybe its worked spectacularly well for you....could that possibly be part of the problem.....
  11. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    chaos? never.....surly thats not possible.....I thought it was only the UK that was in chaos.....I can tell you....you lot have got a heck of a long way to go with this vrus before you can even consider normal life again.....
  12. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Cognative bias.....it seems quite prevelant on here...... I can vouch for that.....its called a "break through infection".....you do realise that when that penny finally drops for some people on here they will lock themselves away for the rest of their lives.....
  13. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    that is the fundemental problem with face coverings.....you put them on.....take them off....put them on.....take them off.....put them on.....take them off....its flawed....at best they offer minimal protection because the vast majority of people wear them and use them as above.....
  14. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    well thats not good enough for a modern country in the 21st century......just not good enough......I would be doing my nut if I lived there.....I got my first jab in March and I got my 2nd jab just over 3 weeks later in April.....what we have been doing here is when there has been any doses left over at the end of the day phone calls have gone out to friends.....family etc messages on facebook to get down to the vaccination centre and use up all the doses....my wife knows one of the dr's doing the jabs.....we got a call at 5.15pm to come up and get a jab....they had 2 left....we was there inside 10 minutes but someone else had pinched one of the jabs so I got the one that was left and my wifes friend was really apologetic.....so much so she called my wife the next day but she missed it.....when my wife called back her friend was at home and she told my wife to go to her house and was given the jab there in here hallway rather than throw away a few more doses....I dont think we have had a shortage at any stage.....its been conducted very well and this morning on Andrew Marrs program they were saying 87% of the adult population have had 1 dose and 66% 2 doses.....
  15. kungfustu

    Australian and UK Covid Responses

    Mutations are going to happen.....everyone knew that so its no surprise.....what counts is being prepared and how you prepare.....we have gone the way of vaccine which for a region and I include the whole of Europe in this has been successful.....I dont quite understand your "some sort of a bent on the Australian response"......having read on here for many many months numerous critcisms of the UK response I am little miffed you are so sensitive and so uptight about the same criticism of your own response......our approach from the very begining and I would say as early as April last year was to order vaccines.....pump billions into the research and make sure when one was available we were first to get it......Im afraid thats worked a treat and in my view is the only way out of this. Closing your borders wont work.....its not working now as you have rightly pointed out the virus will surface somewhere and in its current form it is very contageous as you are finding out......you also have many thousands of residents outside the country that cannot get back home.....thats not a normal way for a government to treat its own people.....I would be giving your government a rocket if I was you to get hold of some vaccines and start insisting that certain age groups get the jab or run the risk of the virus.....what I get from this website is a bunch of very scared people (not all of you)....some of you seem to be scared of the vaccines .....the messages that have gone out to the public are ultimately responsible for that.....we have the same here......the constant over reporting the government briefings and media scaremongering has terrified a whole nation of people......im pretty sure you see the same drivers in their cars on their own sitting at traffic lights with a mask on......or someone walking down the street on their own with a mask on.....Ive even seen them riding bikes......if thats not an over reaction then I dont know what is. One of the unknowns with all of this is how long the vaccines work for......when these viuses mutate they dont necessarilly get more dangerous.....its often a case of robbing peter to pay paul so they may get more infectious but lose something somewhere else.....if you look at the measles virus.....highly contageous....more so than any variant of covid.....i think the numbers are roughly 1 measles carrier infects 14 others or something like that......when this virus began it was not highly infectious contrary to what a lot of people on here were saying at the time.....more in fectious than flu which is about 1 - 1 but the estimates were 1 covid carrier infect about 2 others.....thats increased with the new variants to about 1 - 5/6....still a long way off measles.....the reason I mention it is that we only vaccinate once for measles and it appears with some viruses that the more infectious they are the more susceptible they are to vaccines......so we can hope that vaccinations may be a very good long term protection from these variants......I don't have any proof to back this up.....its based on what I have read and what I have heard discussed by scientists etc.....but it gives us some hope!
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