Skillselect ENS 186 Timeline

[Horus]

32 minutes ago, Adam B said:

 

My MARA agent emphasis this two aspects, one is from https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skills-assessment

which I attached, and there is a sentence "You must also have been employed in the occupation full-time for at least 3 years, at the level of skill required for the occupation."

another document is ACS skills assessment which you've uploaded, there is another sentence "The following employment after 31 January 2020 is considered  to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relevant to ANZSCO Code 262112 (ICT Security Specialist)" 

 

This is unfortunately quite straightforward, however it is worth to check with different MARA agent, you can ask people here, but theirs answer is just a subjective opinion same as mine’s . You can also call to immi, they should answer you for that question via phone. I had a problem w medical appointment and called them and they answered for all my questions.

 

 

Thanks for the explanation, Adam. You're right that the answer to this question is subjective. However, I gave immi helpline a call and they asked me to look online and there was no straightforward answer from them. I have already applied for the visa so I think I will leave it to the fine sense of judgement of DHA and case officer.

[Devl Prog 186 DE]

1 hour ago, ab3nash said:

Hi,

Thank you for answering.

Have you or anyone you know applied in the same scenario? 

Yes, all my experience (close to 4 years) is noted in my skills assessment. Are you sure that the experience before the skills requirement met date counts too? 

Thanks again.

I have applied with same scenario and 2 of my friends already got visa approved with same scenario. There is no doubt in it.

[Horus]

Just now, Devl Prog 186 DE said:

I have applied with same scenario and 2 of my friends already got visa approved with same scenario. There is no doubt in it.

Can you please clear our doubts by sharing some proofs of the same.

[Horus]

11 minutes ago, JessieQ said:

It sounds a bit odd to take 4 years from your oversea experience. I've done 2 skill assessments with ACS before (1st try was not successful). My 5 years of oversea experience was not identified at all in my first try. I then uploaded more documents to prove my case and then they only took 2 years off that. Maybe consider provide more documents especially make sure your oversea position description completely match 'ANZSCO Code 262112 (ICT Security Specialist)'.

I was a project manager and a programmer at the same time when I worked oversea. But in order to make sure my position match what I applied for. I only mentioned my position as 'programmer' and asked my former employer to provide a reference letter to compliance with that.

My former employer was very surprised that I didn't want to mention anything about my PM role in the company (since it regards as a higher position than programmer in the company). I explained to them that if I apply for a job, the more roles I have played the better. But when it comes to skilled immigration, the simpler the easier.

I am not sure if your previous position is exactly named as 'ICT Security Specialist' or not. But if not, maybe consider describe it as totally undebatable to the position. That what I've done to my oversea position and I've never regretted about that after the 2nd skill assessment was recognised successfully.

Hi JessiQ,

I had the same situation just like yours, I worked as a network security specialist previously. When I did my skills assessment it came out as "Not Suitable for migration". Then I submitted another document from my previous employer and it came out right. But ACS took 4 years out of work experience.

I don't know what to do next, so I jumped in here.

[jo3lthakid]

3 hours ago, Dcdasilva1 said:

Congrats man 

Do you know where was Your case ? Nsw office ?

I’m still waiting for an answer.

Assume so as I'm Sydney based

[JessieQ]

20 minutes ago, Horus said:

Hi JessiQ,

I had the same situation just like yours, I worked as a network security specialist previously. When I did my skills assessment it came out as "Not Suitable for migration". Then I submitted another document from my previous employer and it came out right. But ACS took 4 years out of work experience.

I don't know what to do next, so I jumped in here.

Sorry to hear that. I guess maybe security specialist need more oversea experience to be taken away which sounds totally unfair. But still, as @Devl Prog 186 DE said, home affairs may still give you a positive assessment anyway. Best wish for your application!

[Horus]

1 minute ago, JessieQ said:

Sorry to hear that. I guess maybe security specialist need more oversea experience to be taken away which sounds totally unfair. But still, as @Devl Prog 186 DE said, home affairs may still give you a positive assessment anyway. Best wish for your application!

Thank you very much.

[Laura Zorzi]

4 hours ago, Horus said:

Well it states “have a 3 years relevant work experience” which I have according to the documents provided by my previous companies but ACS has some different opinion altogether. Strange thing is my company’s “migration specialist” said that it’ll be fine. Wondering if I can get any other opinion. 
 

p.s I have applied for the visa and done my medicals. 

For the 186, to have a positive skills assessment and to have 3 years of skilled work experience are 2 different requirements. This means that any year of relevant experience post-qualification can be counted, regardless of the deeming date of the skills assessment authority (which, on the contrary, is relevant for the points tested visas e.g. 189, 190, 491).

[Horus]

1 minute ago, Laura Zorzi said:

For the 186, to have a positive skills assessment and to have 3 years of skilled work experience are 2 different requirements. This means that any year of relevant experience post-qualification can be counted, regardless of the deeming date of the skills assessment authority (which, on the contrary, is relevant for the points tested visas e.g. 189, 190, 491).

So, there is no problem with the below?

[Laura Zorzi]

39 minutes ago, Horus said:

So, there is no problem with the below?

If it is for a 186 and the relevant experience is post-qualification, it seems ok.

[Horus]

53 minutes ago, Laura Zorzi said:

If it is for a 186 and the relevant experience is post-qualification, it seems ok.

Hi Laura,

 

Yes, it is for 186 and yes relevant experience is post qualification. Ohh! Thanks for the reply. 
 

[Adam B]

1 hour ago, Laura Zorzi said:

If it is for a 186 and the relevant experience is post-qualification, it seems ok.

What in this case means post qualification ?  As my MARA agent said it is post met date from skills assessment. I'm confused, would be nice if you can briefly explain that, and I will talk with my agent. Thanks

[Horus]

23 minutes ago, Adam B said:

What in this case means post qualification ?  As my MARA agent said it is post met date from skills assessment. I'm confused, would be nice if you can briefly explain that, and I will talk with my agent. Thanks

This is post qualification experience, please see below. 

[Laura Zorzi]

7 minutes ago, Adam B said:

What in this case means post qualification ?  As my MARA agent said it is post met date from skills assessment. I'm confused, would be nice if you can briefly explain that, and I will talk with my agent. Thanks

The deeming date from the skills assessment authority is irrelevant for the 186 DE, so any year of relevant work experience after having completed a relevant qualification can be counted.

This does not work for GSM points tested visas, where you can only claim points for the experience that the authority recognised (i.e. from the deeming date).

[Adam B]

3 minutes ago, Laura Zorzi said:

The deeming date from the skills assessment authority is irrelevant for the 186 DE, so any year of relevant work experience after having completed a relevant qualification can be counted.

This does not work for GSM points tested visas, where you can only claim points for the experience that the authority recognised (i.e. from the deeming date).

Let me as again, "so any year of relevant work experience after having completed a relevant qualification can be counted." how you determine " after having completed a relevant qualification" ? Do you want to say that we can counting backwards from the point when you get skills assessment  ? Ok, so my agent mislead  me and I had to prove additional years ;/

Edited August 24, 2020 by Adam B
wrong sentence

[ab3nash]

4 hours ago, Devl Prog 186 DE said:

I have applied with same scenario and 2 of my friends already got visa approved with same scenario. There is no doubt in it.

Hi,

Can you please tell me if all your experience is post-qualification / after completion of Bachelor's Degree? And same for your 2 friends?

Many thanks.

[Devl Prog 186 DE]

32 minutes ago, ab3nash said:

Hi,

Can you please tell me if all your experience is post-qualification / after completion of Bachelor's Degree? And same for your 2 friends?

Many thanks.

All our experiences are post qualification.

Thanks.

[Adam B]

40 minutes ago, Devl Prog 186 DE said:

All our experiences are post qualification.

Thanks.

Can you elaborate a bit more ?  

[Dcdasilva1]

17 hours ago, jo3lthakid said:

Assume so as I'm Sydney based

I’m Sydney based too but my case is in Victoria and I got s56 one week before they lock down Melbourne 

Now I’m waiting for  the C.O answer 

[Mark 11:24 kjv]

Praise God we got out golden ticket today!!!

Hey guys I have been a silent reader for almost 3 months now. I managed to find this forum while trying to gather more information and basically trying to get encouragement especially during this difficult time. Only we know how it feels to go through this stressful journey so thank you for sharing all the good news and encouraging us. It's been a challenging and difficult journey for my wife and I. But we just did our best to get things finalise via MA, prayed, kept our faith. We can finally have a peace of mind and officially call this beautiful country our home! I wanna support you guys as much as I can. If you have any questions do ask. Could also pray for you, PM 

Thank you

Proverbs 3:5-6

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths."

[Paul1Perth]

5 minutes ago, Mark 11:24 kjv said:

Praise God we got out golden ticket today!!!

Hey guys I have been a silent reader for almost 3 months now. I managed to find this forum while trying to gather more information and basically trying to get encouragement especially during this difficult time. Only we know how it feels to go through this stressful journey so thank you for sharing all the good news and encouraging us. It's been a challenging and difficult journey for my wife and I. But we just did our best to get things finalise via MA, prayed, kept our faith. We can finally have a peace of mind and officially call this beautiful country our home! I wanna support you guys as much as I can. If you have any questions do ask. Could also pray for you, PM 

Thank you

Proverbs 3:5-6

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths."

Conratulations Mark. I have a feeling that your success is more to do with your qualifications and experience rather than anything to do with prayer or your faith. Good luck.

[Mark 11:24 kjv]

Thank you so much Paul,  even with our qualification, work experience and all the documentation we had some MA dint wanna take on our case as they believe we dint have a strong case especially on the company who is sponsoring us. Some personal and financial aspect were a concern for us as well. There's more i wish i could share but yea we are blessed. Thank you.

[Devl Prog 186 DE]

1 hour ago, Mark 11:24 kjv said:

Thank you so much Paul,  even with our qualification, work experience and all the documentation we had some MA dint wanna take on our case as they believe we dint have a strong case especially on the company who is sponsoring us. Some personal and financial aspect were a concern for us as well. There's more i wish i could share but yea we are blessed. Thank you.

Congratulations mark....

May I know what was your company turnover. I am also in the same situation. Initially my MA was denied to take the case as it is high risk application considering company financial status. Your response will be helpful.

Thanks.

[Mark 11:24 kjv]

Thanks mate. The turnover of the company was 1.2 mil ,there were couple of concerns/challenges that we faced for the nomination :

1)    The Structure of the company
2)    High Risk Industry
3)    Genuine need of the position
4)    How the position relate to the contribution of the company

2 MA were reluctant to take the case mentioning high chances of refusal deeming it as an application the DHA will scrutinise more closely. We had to argue that the role fits within the nature and scope of the business operations,  but they were reluctant to help us because it will be more work for them i believe. 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Mark 11:24 kjv

[Devl Prog 186 DE]

47 minutes ago, Mark 11:24 kjv said:

Thanks mate. The turnover of the company was 1.2 mil ,there were couple of concerns/challenges that we faced for the nomination :

1)    The Structure of the company
2)    High Risk Industry
3)    Genuine need of the position
4)    How the position relate to the contribution of the company

2 MA were reluctant to take the case mentioning high chances of refusal deeming it as an application the DHA will scrutinise more closely. We had to argue that the role fits within the nature and scope of the business operations,  but they were reluctant to help us because it will be more work for them i believe. 

 

Thanks mate.

Mine only financial hardship orher than everything is fine .... Let's hope for the best.