what happens to the e.u now ?

[Gbye grey sky]

Given that its breakfast time in my house and I have tea usually no I have not been drinking.

 

Its clear to me that the whole world is coming into a crisis. Look around in any country, instead of just looking at ourselves and our families look to see how others are doing, a lot are not doing well. Children in all countries are struggling these days to get work, degrees do not guarantee jobs. Here in Aus the only job sector improving is the health sector and the look after people sector. Unfortunately both of these are predominantly paid for by taxes so if people do not work there are no taxes.

 

Same happening in UK that is why Brexit happened half the population of the north do not have a job and UK has a huge amount to pay for to look after people and their health. How can it go on.

 

All the posts seem to be about people losing money, well sad but we all lose money. I lose money on the stock market, I lose money because of low interest rates and it does not matter where I live this is a fact of life these days.

 

The people voted to go and they should have already triggered it. What are they about letting their friends in the European Union have time to think up nasties for UK. Strike while the iron is hot. I believe that the government is dragging its heels, causing unrest and distrust and putting people agin one another.

 

What happened to pulling for the whole country.

 

People are too interested in kitchen diners and how many bedrooms and it must be beautiful and where will I go on holiday and what about this and that, they need to get back to reality and realise that its a big wheel and when a spoke falls off we all suffer.

 

Seriously, half the population of the north have no job. You could be right if you include children and pensioners I suppose but no place has a jobless rate of 50%. It is hard to take anyone seriously when they use dumb stats like that.

[caramac]

Given that its breakfast time in my house and I have tea usually no I have not been drinking.

 

Its clear to me that the whole world is coming into a crisis. Look around in any country, instead of just looking at ourselves and our families look to see how others are doing, a lot are not doing well. Children in all countries are struggling these days to get work, degrees do not guarantee jobs. Here in Aus the only job sector improving is the health sector and the look after people sector. Unfortunately both of these are predominantly paid for by taxes so if people do not work there are no taxes.

 

Same happening in UK that is why Brexit happened half the population of the north do not have a job and UK has a huge amount to pay for to look after people and their health. How can it go on.

 

All the posts seem to be about people losing money, well sad but we all lose money. I lose money on the stock market, I lose money because of low interest rates and it does not matter where I live this is a fact of life these days.

 

The people voted to go and they should have already triggered it. What are they about letting their friends in the European Union have time to think up nasties for UK. Strike while the iron is hot. I believe that the government is dragging its heels, causing unrest and distrust and putting people agin one another.

 

What happened to pulling for the whole country.

 

People are too interested in kitchen diners and how many bedrooms and it must be beautiful and where will I go on holiday and what about this and that, they need to get back to reality and realise that its a big wheel and when a spoke falls off we all suffer.

 

 

This statement alone shows how little many people really understand about our exit. There are decades of laws and agreements to unpick and rearrange which will take years to sort out. It's not a case of picking up our ball and going home.

[newjez]

This statement alone shows how little many people really understand about our exit. There are decades of laws and agreements to unpick and rearrange which will take years to sort out. It's not a case of picking up our ball and going home.

 

 

That bit is pretty easy. They have just absorbed EU law, so they have an infinite amount of time to unlock it.

[srg73]

There are a lot of statements from both side which I now agree with especially after Europes reaction to the exit vote by UK. The issue as highlighted is that EU has had 40 years to tangle and weave itself into the UK legal and financial systems. This will take years to unpick not only to ensure a smooth transition but also to ensure what is left us sound and has legal standing.

 

Some EU members are now showing their true colours and are very disappointing, a little like sulking children after some of their toys have been taken away. I guess the reaction is not surprising given that one of the main contributing states has now elected to leave plus EU's economic figures now look a mess with UK being removed. The entire collapse of EU would not be good for UK as the key states would continue to act as partners......can you really see France surviving without German support?

 

I think the expansion of EU was a mistake as more and more dependant countries were introduced which now leaves Germany with some difficult decisions. France, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc are all in trouble, Germany has seen a downturn as has Holland. The left leaning politics of EU will now be hard to sustain given the lack of money meaning more and more countries will question their position within Europe. It was easier for UK to remove itself due to retaining the £ but also having a generally sustainable economy.

 

I hope for a soft and smooth transition as markets and the U.K. economy does not like shock or change.

[flag of convenience]

You all survived before the EU was created.

 

The world was a very different place in those days. Britain far stronger being part of a economic block, for all its faults than alone. In a globalised world individual nations are easy pickings.

[newjez]

There are a lot of statements from both side which I now agree with especially after Europes reaction to the exit vote by UK. The issue as highlighted is that EU has had 40 years to tangle and weave itself into the UK legal and financial systems. This will take years to unpick not only to ensure a smooth transition but also to ensure what is left us sound and has legal standing.

 

Some EU members are now showing their true colours and are very disappointing, a little like sulking children after some of their toys have been taken away. I guess the reaction is not surprising given that one of the main contributing states has now elected to leave plus EU's economic figures now look a mess with UK being removed. The entire collapse of EU would not be good for UK as the key states would continue to act as partners......can you really see France surviving without German support?

 

I think the expansion of EU was a mistake as more and more dependant countries were introduced which now leaves Germany with some difficult decisions. France, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc are all in trouble, Germany has seen a downturn as has Holland. The left leaning politics of EU will now be hard to sustain given the lack of money meaning more and more countries will question their position within Europe. It was easier for UK to remove itself due to retaining the £ but also having a generally sustainable economy.

 

I hope for a soft and smooth transition as markets and the U.K. economy does not like shock or change.

 

I tend to agree with most of this, but I am puzzled why many people seem to be saying that the EU is a left wing organisation. Components of the extreme right and left want to leave. I would have thought the EU broadly straddled the centre ground. Where does the EU sit politically?

 

I asked Wikipedia

 

Although direct elections take place every five years, there are no cohesive political parties in the national sense. Instead, there are alliances of ideologically associated parties who sit and vote together in Parliament. The two largest parties are the European People's Party (centre-right) and the Party of European Socialists (centre-left) with the former forming the largest group in Parliament since 1999. As well as there being left and right dividing lines in European politics, there are also divides between those for and against European integration (Pro-Europeanism andEuroscepticism) which shapes the continually changing nature of the EU which adopts successive reforming treaties. The latter is stronger in northern Europe, especially the United Kingdom, and some member states are less integrated than others (Opt-outs).

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_European_Union

Edited October 10, 2016 by newjez

[Paul1Perth]

For some of us the sky already has fallen in - or have you not noticed the crashing pound? 1.97 $ to the pound on June 22nd, $1.63 to the pound today. Other things to consider are the increasingly inflamatory announcements coming out of Westminster, the number of racist attacks on people who have been living in (and contributing to ) Britain for years ... Not to mention the disappearance of the mythical £350,000,000 that was (no not really) going to be donated to the NHS. Tessie M seems hellbent on demoralising everyone whilst avoiding taking any concrete action, and meanwhile the slimy little Nigel continues to accept his EU salary while continuing to undermine the institution that pays him.

 

The EU undoubtedly need a great deal of reform but we nevertheless benefitted from massive grants for poorer areas in the UK. The inhabitants of two such deprived areas proceeded to vote out and then start demanding that they get the same grants as before! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

I dont remember ever feeling so completely discouraged about the state of my country.

Why has your sky fallen in because of the pounds fall? Maybe if you were planning a holiday abroad it might be more expensive but has it changed your life that much?

[VERYSTORMY]

The world was a very different place in those days. Britain far stronger being part of a economic block, for all its faults than alone. In a globalised world individual nations are easy pickings.

 

This would be correct if the members of the block were strong, but the reality is, the vast majority of the members are economic basket cases. A block is only as strong as the members which make it up.

[newjez]

Why has your sky fallen in because of the pounds fall? Maybe if you were planning a holiday abroad it might be more expensive but has it changed your life that much?

 

 

there's a lot of people living on the edge. exchange rate inflation will hurt. it really affected us in the gfc.

[BacktoDemocracy]

The sky won't fall in, it will be pretty much as before. At least we will be able to get ciggies and booze duty free again!

People are anti politics right now, that's why UKIP did so well, that's why we voted out; because the political classes virtually unanimously wanted us to stay, there were jobs in it for them, MEPs, all kinds in the two, the two Parliaments they have to have with our taxes, it was just a rip off and people are sick of it.

This is part of a pattern, look at Donald Trump, he might not become president, but he's on the ballot, and he isn't up against a great candidate so look out world!

So 200 tax free ciggies and a couple of bottles of tax free booze will make up for a 15% devaluation in the pound you'll have to do a fair few cross channel trips to make that pay.

Can you actually even think that Trump is suitable as a candidate, he's a misogynist, sexist bully, slightly paranoid sociopath who despite all his claims has never been a successful businessman, and this man is going to be put in charge of the biggest armoury in the world, frankly its bloody terrifying and to even think that he represents an acceptable persona that could be supported as a candidate is equally terrifying.

Edited October 10, 2016 by BacktoDemocracy

[BacktoDemocracy]

This would be correct if the members of the block were strong, but the reality is, the vast majority of the members are economic basket cases. A block is only as strong as the members which make it up.

 

We are the basket case, our productivity remains an avg 29% below that of Germany and France

[bunbury61]

So 200 tax free ciggies and a couple of bottles of tax free booze will make up for a 15% devaluation in the pound you'll have to do a fair few cross channel trips to make that pay.

Can you actually even think that Trump is suitable as a candidate, he's a misogynist, sexist bully, slightly paranoid sociopath who despite all his claims has never been a successful businessman, and this man is going to be put in charge of the biggest armoury in the world, frankly its bloody terrifying and to even think that he represents an acceptable persona that could be supported as a candidate is equally terrifying.

In relation to trump ,all true ,and some .....but she is worse ....much worse

[bunbury61]

We are the basket case, our productivity remains an avg 29% below that of Germany and France

 

Italy ? .....greece ? ...spain ? ...portugal ?.....i don't know how we have gotten to be the worlds 5th or 6th biggest economy .

If we are a basket case ,and I don't dispute it .

We are one of two legs propping up the e.u

[Perthbum]

Biggest and strongest economies in the world.

1 USA

2 China

3 Japan

4 Germany

5 UK

[srg73]

5 France

6 UK

 

Recent change due to fall in value of £

 

Newjez, EU has socialist principles at its heart and strongly believes in the redistribution of wealth hence why UK contributed supporting people like French farmers.

 

S

[newjez]

In relation to trump ,all true ,and some .....but she is worse ....much worse

 

 

Tbh I don't know much about her. What is it you don't like?

[newjez]

5 France

6 UK

 

Recent change due to fall in value of £

 

Newjez, EU has socialist principles at its heart and strongly believes in the redistribution of wealth hence why UK contributed supporting people like French farmers.

 

S

 

I'm not sure that protectionism is the same thing as socialism. Distribution of wealth is definitely left wing, but protectionism goes across most parties.

[Fisher1]

Why has your sky fallen in because of the pounds fall? Maybe if you were planning a holiday abroad it might be more expensive but has it changed your life that much?

 

I meant to say that many people are going to be a lot worse off because of the falling pound because it will certainly be reflected in the price of imported goods just for starters. I used the term about the sky falling in because that was the phrase used by the poster concerned.

 

But since you ask, yes, I was actually planning a very expensive foreign trip. We were planning to join our daughter and baby grandchild in Australia next year on a permenant visa. We had calculated a budget based on our savings and the potential value of our UK house and were hoping to buy a small house up the coast from the city where they live. We won't now be able to do that. At the very least we will probably have to wait another year before joining our family.

 

So yes, actually, it has changed our lives that much.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Fisher1

[Keith and Linda]

I meant to say that many people are going to be a lot worse off because of the falling pound because it will certainly be reflected in the price of imported goods just for starters. I used the term about the sky falling in because that was the phrase used by the poster concerned.

 

But since you ask, yes, I was actually planning a very expensive foreign trip. We were planning to join our daughter and baby grandchild in Australia next year on a permenant visa. We had calculated a budget based on our savings and the potential value of our UK house and were hoping to buy a small house up the coast from the city where they live. We won't now be able to do that. At the very least we will probably have to wait another year before joining our family.

 

So yes, actually, it has changed our lives that much.

 

As much as it has changed someones lives going the other way I suppose. Maybe gives them chance to recoup some of the money spent in going over in the first place.

Not knocking, just saying.

[Petals]

Seriously, half the population of the north have no job. You could be right if you include children and pensioners I suppose but no place has a jobless rate of 50%. It is hard to take anyone seriously when they use dumb stats like that.

 

I guess you live in the north and know then', there are people there that have not had a job since the mines closed and how do I know my family live up there. My nieces left the north to get a job and headed south. My nieces said they wanted to go south because they wanted a lad with a job. Unfortunately when we are on a gravy train we do not notice what is happening to others.

[Parley]

Everyone is free to move from North to South, Sydney to Melbourne, Perth to Melbourne.

 

Freedom !

 

If someone really needs a job they won't stay where they are for decades. They will go where the jobs are.

[Keith and Linda]

I guess you live in the north and know then', there are people there that have not had a job since the mines closed and how do I know my family live up there. My nieces left the north to get a job and headed south. My nieces said they wanted to go south because they wanted a lad with a job. Unfortunately when we are on a gravy train we do not notice what is happening to others.

 

Could be more like not wanted a job?

[newjez]

I meant to say that many people are going to be a lot worse off because of the falling pound because it will certainly be reflected in the price of imported goods just for starters. I used the term about the sky falling in because that was the phrase used by the poster concerned.

 

But since you ask, yes, I was actually planning a very expensive foreign trip. We were planning to join our daughter and baby grandchild in Australia next year on a permenant visa. We had calculated a budget based on our savings and the potential value of our UK house and were hoping to buy a small house up the coast from the city where they live. We won't now be able to do that. At the very least we will probably have to wait another year before joining our family.

 

So yes, actually, it has changed our lives that much.

 

 

I remember people laughing when I suggested this.

 

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Brexit+price+increase+

[Petals]

Could be more like not wanted a job?

 

Of course that is true, who would want to keep getting knocked back time after time. Might as well let others pay for you. This should have never happened. Britain made its bed, those that have and those that take and unfortunately it has to be paid for. They need to think on and those that can afford to keep themselves in retirement should keep themselves, like I do here in Aus, they do not pay me a pension and I am not likely to ever get one. I think I should but that is what we all think but realistically the way things are with off shore accounts and tax minimisation countries will never have enough to service all their people's needs.

 

Who knows what will happen, we like it down under that the pound has dropped we are buying up the pounds for our trips etc.

 

However Britain is leaving and that is it. What happens depends on how the country pulls together. Reading posts think that is a pipe dream.

 

Just to let you know Aus is going down the gurgler as well if what I saw on tele last night debt, debt and debt and we cannot pay, oh well we all die anyway so who cares.

 

Yep you can think gosh she does not know what she talking about, but I have been right before and I am a good judge of characters and one thing I do know, moaning and wondering and worrying will change nothing. Enjoy your day like its your last. Never know when a big tree will fall through your roof.

[Fisher1]

As much as it has changed someones lives going the other way I suppose. Maybe gives them chance to recoup some of the money spent in going over in the first place.

Not knocking, just saying.

 

sorry im not quite sure what you mean about going the other way and people recouping money they spent going over in the first place - do you mean people going to oz or coming to the UK? Your comment is really a bit incomprehensible in the context of my own. Someone asked if the falling pound had really changed my life that much ... Asked and answered. Dont see what you're banging on about to be honest. Not knocking, just saying.