eu referendum update

[Paul1Perth]

Just reading the latest news and it's saying the leave vote has a 7 point lead. Should be a done deal if that's right so beware of ballot fixing. I wouldn't put it past the powers that want to stay in fixing the whole thing. The big money is for a in vote and money talks in strange ways.

[amibovered]

Just reading the latest news and it's saying the leave vote has a 7 point lead. Should be a done deal if that's right so beware of ballot fixing. I wouldn't put it past the powers that want to stay in fixing the whole thing. The big money is for a in vote and money talks in strange ways.

They won't have to fix anything, if the vote is out, they'll have another and another, until we're browbeaten to voting in, that's how the EU works.

[Gbye grey sky]

They won't have to fix anything, if the vote is out, they'll have another and another, until we're browbeaten to voting in, that's how the EU works.

 

Don't kid yourself. Leave and live with the consequences and best of luck.

 

 

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[Quinkla]

They won't have to fix anything, if the vote is out, they'll have another and another, until we're browbeaten to voting in, that's how the EU works.

I doubt it. I would imagine the exit could be effected quite swiftly and not to a timetable of the UK's choosing. I would expect to see all free trade agreements with the EU rescinded (including the UK no longer being able to benefit from deals negotiated between the EU and other nations), all UK nationals working for the EU dismissed, working and residence rights for UK nationals revoked within the Euro-zone; access to healthcare and benefits for UK nationals revoked in EU nations. I would also expect to see financial services and multi-nationals looking to relocate away from the UK. Because, this is not just about what life would have been like if the UK were not part of the EU, it is also about the political gesture of leaving. I would expect that to generate a lot of ill will.

[Gbye grey sky]

I doubt it. I would imagine the exit could be effected quite swiftly and not to a timetable of the UK's choosing. I would expect to see all free trade agreements with the EU rescinded (including the UK no longer being able to benefit from deals negotiated between the EU and other nations), all UK nationals working for the EU dismissed, working and residence rights for UK nationals revoked within the Euro-zone; access to healthcare and benefits for UK nationals revoked in EU nations. I would also expect to see financial services and multi-nationals looking to relocate away from the UK. Because, this is not just about what life would have been like if the UK were not part of the EU, it is also about the political gesture of leaving. I would expect that to generate a lot of ill will.

 

There will be transitional arrangements over the next couple of years so I would not expect any of this to happen quickly. The problem is that in the meantime inward investment will fall and any so-called exit 'benefits' will take years to unwind.

 

Legislators and lawyers will clock up hundreds of thousands of hours at taxpayer expense disentangling regulations and agreements and replacing them. A new system of bilateral visas will need to be brought in. The devil is always in the detail.

 

 

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[amibovered]

Really, you obviously don't remember Lisbon treaty referenda.

[Rallyman]

I doubt it. I would imagine the exit could be effected quite swiftly and not to a timetable of the UK's choosing. I would expect to see all free trade agreements with the EU rescinded (including the UK no longer being able to benefit from deals negotiated between the EU and other nations), all UK nationals working for the EU dismissed, working and residence rights for UK nationals revoked within the Euro-zone; access to healthcare and benefits for UK nationals revoked in EU nations. I would also expect to see financial services and multi-nationals looking to relocate away from the UK. Because, this is not just about what life would have been like if the UK were not part of the EU, it is also about the political gesture of leaving. I would expect that to generate a lot of ill will.

 

 

Have got actual documented evidence that this will happen or is it what you think might happen.

[amibovered]

I doubt it. I would imagine the exit could be effected quite swiftly and not to a timetable of the UK's choosing. I would expect to see all free trade agreements with the EU rescinded (including the UK no longer being able to benefit from deals negotiated between the EU and other nations), all UK nationals working for the EU dismissed, working and residence rights for UK nationals revoked within the Euro-zone; access to healthcare and benefits for UK nationals revoked in EU nations. I would also expect to see financial services and multi-nationals looking to relocate away from the UK. Because, this is not just about what life would have been like if the UK were not part of the EU, it is also about the political gesture of leaving. I would expect that to generate a lot of ill will.

A minimum of two years is required by the treaty, and that can be extended indefinitely, as for the rest of your fantasy, it wont happen, the EU has to much to lose, Holland and Ireland would be particularly hard hit, the EU cry babies might want to have a tantrum but in the end the money will do the talking.

Edited June 14, 2016 by amibovered

[amibovered]

The funniest thing of all, is the lefties love the EU, because they think it could be some kind of pan European kibbutz, a Socialist Republic of Europe, but it's been set up for the benefit of the very organisations they hate, big business, it's all about cheap labour and free trade, Jeremy Corbyn knows this, look at his past history on the EU http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-is-making-a-big-speech-saying-we-should-remain-in-the-eu-heres-all-the-times-he-said-the-eu-was-bad-2016-4

[amibovered]

Oh, and another LOL, the Labour party elite have only just noticed that a lot of Labour voters want out, you couldn't make this stuff up, while they've been dreaming up highbrow policy in the wine bars of London, they have no idea what Labour voters are thinking, they've even dragged out "she was just a bigoted woman." Brown to help out, or maybe that is Corbs secret plan to get us out of the EU.

[BacktoDemocracy]

Have got actual documented evidence that this will happen or is it what you think might happen.

Well its probably as accurate a picture as any of the Brexiters have given us so far of what it will be like on the other side of the rainbow.

[BacktoDemocracy]

I really fail to understand the attraction of a exit when you look at the self serving bunch who are advocating it , they are motivated by their monstrous egos and monumental ambitions, they have their eyes firmly fixed on money and status.

If anyone thinks these people have any interest in making this a wonderful country for the average working or salaried person they must be a candidate for a strait jacket, they and their mates are going to take us straight back to the 1930s but with a few extra twists such as the salaried classes on zero contracts, workfare programs mandatory for all unemployed regardless of qualifications and a co-payment when you go to a doctor and the closure of local hospitals and the introduction of regional hospitals is written across their smarmy faces.

Boris and his chums will squeeze this country dry just like the upper classes always have so don't think that because you're white collar or management you're not going to feel the cold draught of the next bout of austerity and having your own little gang of public school boys and the token ethnic woman in charge is not going to be any protection from their neo - liberal economics.

They'll buy you off with lots of glitz and fine words and give you "wine and circuses" but they, their class and their mates will screw you just as they always have and there will be no unions to stop them.

Edited June 14, 2016 by BacktoDemocracy

[flag of convenience]

It will surely take years to unwind Britain's membership of the EU if the outers get their way. Interesting the chant of some of England's football supporters in Marseilles with regards to the matter. Anything that Boris character is in support of would be reason enough for an opposite view surely.

[Gbye grey sky]

Really amazing how Boris Johnson seems to have attained statesman-like status with so many. Catch some of his earlier appearanceS on Have I Got News For You and you will see what a buffoon he is. Johnson as next PM is as worrying and depressing as Trump as next POTUS.

[VERYSTORMY]

I really fail to understand the attraction of a exit when you look at the self serving bunch who are advocating it , they are motivated by their monstrous egos and monumental ambitions, they have their eyes firmly fixed on money and status.

If anyone thinks these people have any interest in making this a wonderful country for the average working or salaried person they must be a candidate for a strait jacket, they and their mates are going to take us straight back to the 1930s but with a few extra twists such as the salaried classes on zero contracts, workfare programs mandatory for all unemployed regardless of qualifications and a co-payment when you go to a doctor and the closure of local hospitals and the introduction of regional hospitals is written across their smarmy faces.

Boris and his chums will squeeze this country dry just like the upper classes always have so don't think that because you're white collar or management you're not going to feel the cold draught of the next bout of austerity and having your own little gang of public school boys and the token ethnic woman in charge is not going to be any protection from their neo - liberal economics.

They'll buy you off with lots of glitz and fine words and give you "wine and circuses" but they, their class and their mates will screw you just as they always have and there will be no unions to stop them.

 

First, you are mixing up the referendum with a general election.

 

Second, even if Brexit win, I cant see a Tory government by Christmas still being in power. They have torn themselves apart with this and it is going to be even worse post Brexit.

 

Interestingly, I cant see a labour win either as there are now too many people that think they have been betrayed by jumping in with the Tory's.

[VERYSTORMY]

I doubt it. I would imagine the exit could be effected quite swiftly and not to a timetable of the UK's choosing. I would expect to see all free trade agreements with the EU rescinded (including the UK no longer being able to benefit from deals negotiated between the EU and other nations), all UK nationals working for the EU dismissed, working and residence rights for UK nationals revoked within the Euro-zone; access to healthcare and benefits for UK nationals revoked in EU nations. I would also expect to see financial services and multi-nationals looking to relocate away from the UK. Because, this is not just about what life would have been like if the UK were not part of the EU, it is also about the political gesture of leaving. I would expect that to generate a lot of ill will.

 

Why?

Many people worked in Europe before the EU and I am sure they will continue to afterwards. Interestingly, one of the biggest pain in the neck places I have worked, in regards to getting the correct permission, was Sweden - in Europe.

 

There were almost as many Brits living in retirement in Europe before we joined - don't forget, France, Germany and Spain were all visa free and there in nothing to suggest that would be different.

Healthcare is also irrelevant as in most EU countries, Brits do not get free healthcare - they never have. There is a system of back charging the NHS.

 

Companies are pragmatic and I don't think any will look at even medium term changing / leaving. For example, one of the main companies that have even remotely threatened was Nissan. But, that is an old one http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2271521.stm

[Gbye grey sky]

First, you are mixing up the referendum with a general election.

 

Second, even if Brexit win, I cant see a Tory government by Christmas still being in power. They have torn themselves apart with this and it is going to be even worse post Brexit.

 

Interestingly, I cant see a labour win either as there are now too many people that think they have been betrayed by jumping in with the Tory's.

 

Who then? Surely not UKIP as they are a one-issue party and that issue will no longer be pertinent. And Farage as PM - OMG.

 

I agree though that Britain will be effectively ungovernable given that all major parties were overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU. Talk about unstable. Scotland, quite rightly will be bolting for the exit, Wales too if they have any sense. Major investors will be first out and large Corporations will consider relocating headquarters and operations out of England, perhaps to Scotland if they can leave the UK swiftly.

[Rallyman]

I really fail to understand the attraction of a exit when you look at the self serving bunch who are advocating it , they are motivated by their monstrous egos and monumental ambitions, they have their eyes firmly fixed on money and status.

If anyone thinks these people have any interest in making this a wonderful country for the average working or salaried person they must be a candidate for a strait jacket, they and their mates are going to take us straight back to the 1930s but with a few extra twists such as the salaried classes on zero contracts, workfare programs mandatory for all unemployed regardless of qualifications and a co-payment when you go to a doctor and the closure of local hospitals and the introduction of regional hospitals is written across their smarmy faces.

Boris and his chums will squeeze this country dry just like the upper classes always have so don't think that because you're white collar or management you're not going to feel the cold draught of the next bout of austerity and having your own little gang of public school boys and the token ethnic woman in charge is not going to be any protection from their neo - liberal economics.

They'll buy you off with lots of glitz and fine words and give you "wine and circuses" but they, their class and their mates will screw you just as they always have and there will be no unions to stop them.

 

 

 

Have a read read up on what the kinnocks have made out of it and are still making out of it, everything he was opposed to when opposition leader, not saying that Some of the exit promotors are any better , they are all in for what they can get out of it for themselves.

I am totally undecided which way to vote , as I feel both sides are in it for themselves and don't really care about the average working man who will take the brunt of what will happen either way , and let's face it nobody rearlly knows what's going to happen.

[BacktoDemocracy]

First, you are mixing up the referendum with a general election.

 

Second, even if Brexit win, I cant see a Tory government by Christmas still being in power. They have torn themselves apart with this and it is going to be even worse post Brexit.

 

Interestingly, I cant see a labour win either as there are now too many people that think they have been betrayed by jumping in with the Tory's.

What do you think this is about, it's about Boris seeing his opportunity to lead the Tories , there are enough red neck little Englander's in his party to support him and the rest hate Cameron sufficiently to make sure Boris gets thro to 2020 and he will have to give the swivel eyed gits what they want to make it to the next election by which time Labour will have split , which is what they're counting on.

Edited June 14, 2016 by BacktoDemocracy

[bunbury61]

Really amazing how Boris Johnson seems to have attained statesman-like status with so many. Catch some of his earlier appearanceS on Have I Got News For You and you will see what a buffoon he is. Johnson as next PM is as worrying and depressing as Trump as next POTUS.

 

There is very little chance of Boris being p.m

Trump as president is highly likely ....anyone fancy a small wager ? ...iam not a betting man ...but

[bunbury61]

Who then? Surely not UKIP as they are a one-issue party and that issue will no longer be pertinent. And Farage as PM - OMG.

 

I agree though that Britain will be effectively ungovernable given that all major parties were overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU. Talk about unstable. Scotland, quite rightly will be bolting for the exit, Wales too if they have any sense. Major investors will be first out and large Corporations will consider relocating headquarters and operations out of England, perhaps to Scotland if they can leave the UK swiftly.

 

I wouldn't worry too much ...germany bombed the **** out of our cities in 1940 ...we are still here .

It may take a couple of years ,but we will be back .

The Germans,French and Italians will still sell us cars .

 

The long term thought of staying IN the e.u is frightening .

28 countries ,only 2 net givers ...ger.any and the u.k .

The e.u is worried that their little project will fall apart ...a domino effect ....it probably will .

For me ,I love the national identity ....the Austrians are different to the Italians ..etc etc .

Keep the euro ,if they want ,but put the borders back up .

These cultures have taken a 1000 years to mature ,mixing them into some form of European soup ain't going to work .

 

What will the euro football tournament look like in 30 years ...1 team ...OUT OF THE E.U

[BacktoDemocracy]

I wouldn't worry too much ...germany bombed the **** out of our cities in 1940 ...we are still here .

It may take a couple of years ,but we will be back .

The Germans,French and Italians will still sell us cars .

 

The long term thought of staying IN the e.u is frightening .

28 countries ,only 2 net givers ...ger.any and the u.k .

The e.u is worried that their little project will fall apart ...a domino effect ....it probably will .

For me ,I love the national identity ....the Austrians are different to the Italians ..etc etc .

Keep the euro ,if they want ,but put the borders back up .

These cultures have taken a 1000 years to mature ,mixing them into some form of European soup ain't going to work .

 

What will the euro football tournament look like in 30 years ...1 team ...OUT OF THE E.U

Since 1914 the story of this country is one of continual decline with a few blips of upsurge and leaving the EU is not going to reverse that, our victories have been pyrrhic and bought at enormous monetary and personal cost

[Thom]

Since 1914 the story of this country is one of continual decline with a few blips of upsurge and leaving the EU is not going to reverse that, our victories have been pyrrhic and bought at enormous monetary and personal cost

 

Care to quantify that? How come one small Island is the fifth greatest trading nation in the world.

[Quinkla]

Care to quantify that? How come one small Island is the fifth greatest trading nation in the world.

Largely because it is developed and big. If you look at per capita GDP, the UK tends to pitch in at the mid 20s depending on which list you look at. It's not setting the world on fire.

 

In terms of post 1914 - the UK was on a long decline following WW1 and with the loss of the Empire, the UK struggled to find a role for itself. Through the 1950s and 1960s (those glory years to which the Brexit campaign want to return) the UK tried to support an increasingly uneconomical heavy industry through public subsidy and exports to heavily dependent markets - mostly Ireland and the former Empire. The EEC opened up new markets that had previously not been available, and provided structural funding to allow a transition from a declining industrial economy towards a knowledge based economy. So in terms of why the UK is where it is, the EU has been enormously helpful. But the UK is not big enough or powerful enough to be able to leave the EU without any repercussions.

[Rallyman]

Just watched a brief documentary about how the eu Parliament moves from Brussels to Strasburg for 4 days a month at a annual cost of £300 million a year , I might not be a rocket scientist but this has to be one of the biggest waste of money ever it's simply not required , so can somebody explain how this value for money.