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  1. Quinkla

    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    Fair enough - that's their funeral. I guess the borders will have to remain closed then.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    I'm sure Victoria would be willing to share its experiences but ultimately it is not our responsibility to get your tracing capability up to scratch.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    No they don't. https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/are-covid-death-rates-really-falling-globally Please stop making stuff up. It doesn't help.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    How and ever, the Constitution sets states up as sovereign and the Commonwealth only gets a look in on issues that the states and territories have agreed to cede to the Commonwealth. Actually, a national approach would be very unhelpful right now. Even within states, we are seeing local differences in regulation according to need. A one size fits all approach either leads to restrictions being placed on areas that don't need it, or on an inability to tackle hotspots until the problem has got big enough to justify a national intervention.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    Of course not. Just noting that the same people who said we should open up for Mothers' Day are the same people who said our lockdown was not strict enough and we should have brought in the police/army, who are the same people who voted against a state of emergency, who are the same people as now say we should live with Covid and accept the mortality. I am not seeing scrutiny or strategy, just contrariness. As for who they are - they are the same people who signed a contract for the East West link a couple of weeks before an election they knew they would lose, committing Victorians to paying hundreds of millions for cancelling the contract just so they could criticise the new Government. Blowing millions of dollars of hard earned money and spreading a deadly virus to score political points - and still people vote for them. Go figure.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    If I were a cynic, I'd be suggesting that some people who don't have Daniel Andrews's best interests at heart are trying to sabotage his strategy in order to have political ammunition to lob at him - paying for that ammo with lives.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    It's interesting that none of the lead signatories on the Covid Medical Network article you cite are virologists. There seem to be a lot of anaesthetists, some GPs, a urologist... And the network of more than 500 Victorian doctors is actually a group of doctors, nurses and other health professionals who may or may not come from Victoria.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    No - it's a stupid question. This is a complex issue and it deserves serious consideration, not sloganeering or tricking people into making damaging statements.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    I'm not sure how that is flipping an argument around or how that is relevant. We know that the mortality from Covid is 2-4% and we know that if it is left unchecked, almost all of us will get it. So with Australia having a population of 20 million, that would be 400,000-800,000 deaths. I don't think many people would think that was OK if it could be avoided.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    But that is very selective. The bit about 200 deaths from Covid per week, for example, as a justification for removing restrictions. Sure, there was a time under lockdown when the death rate did get that low. It has since increased. Yesterday, for example, there were 138 deaths due to Covid. The day before there were 137. The day before there were 143. And since the start of Covid, there have been 43,293 deaths, which is about 1500 deaths per week, give or take. It exceeded 1100 deaths a day before lockdown. So by all means look at low death and transmission rates under lockdown, but be aware that the low numbers are because of lockdown, not because the virus has gone away.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    That may well have to happen, but that would be a decision for society as a whole, not for a couple of politicians or medics. The mortality rate in Victoria has been 4%. I just don't think we, as a society, are ready for that. The countries where they have lesser restrictions (e.g. UK, USA) still have some restrictions and they don't seem to be very happy with the way things are going. This is a bad situation, and blaming the people leading the response won't make the problem go away.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    Sadly that is not the case. Our super spreaders from Chadstone have managed to spread it as far as Shepparton. And this is what happens when we do have the restrictions. Imagine what it would be like without.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    The problem is that people seem to be contagious for a couple of days before they show symptoms - so there is the issue of their contacts for the past couple of days, and the contacts for those people, and so on. We are seeing in Victoria right now how easily and how far the virus can spread - one person in a shopping centre and a few days later we have infections 80km away in regional Victoria. And that is with Level 4 restrictions. If I were the NSW Premier I would be watching Victoria with a degree of concern that any one of the infections in NSW could go the same way.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    I did not mean to be insensitive towards the many people who are doing it hard. I do think, though, that unless you live in Melbourne or Mitchell Shire it would be difficult to imagine just what our life is like right now. It is not all bad - there are upsides of spending more time at home, walking our local streets, visiting parks, etc. - but it is deeply weird and the uncertainty about how long it will last is very unsettling. Many of us are dreading a return to CBD working.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    But it sounds like normal within WA. That sounds pretty attractive right now if you're sitting where I am and I cannot even travel into the next suburb to go to the shops, or sit in the same room as my family. Victoria couldn't squish the virus last time and I have to say things don't look great right now either. A single family connected with the Butchers in Chadstone Shopping Centre decided to ignore the restrictions, met up as a group from across Melbourne, and now they are passing the virus into their own communities. Twenty four active cases so far across multiple suburbs and rising. One active case and a super spreading event has the capability to take us all down - and that's nothing to do with Daniel Andrews.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    I thought it was common knowledge.
  17. Quinkla

    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    Leaders lead teams. Their quality as leaders depends so much on the quality of the teams they lead. Churchill was a drunken buffoon, but he did inspire great people in his team.
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    Negotiate?

    You can negotiate but you need to bear in mind that some people have less wriggle room than others. We bought our current house from a couple who were buying into a retirement village. They were up front that they needed $xxx to do that - and the price seemed reasonable for the house. We tried going 5% lower - we were rejected - and so we paid the asking price. Happy with the outcome - I hope the vendors were happy too.
  19. Quinkla

    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    ... which is not the first place I would go for impartial reporting. But self-evidently the quarantine programme failed to meet its objective. The question is whether that was down to foreseeable problems - in which case you might want heads to roll - or whether it was just bad luck. I am interested to note that: Victoria was doing heavy lifting in quarantining returned travellers that other states/territories didn't want to deal with nobody has called for heads to roll following the Ruby Princess infections, even though that clearly was the result of poor decision making the quarantine programme in NSW also used private security guards, some of whom became infected and spread it in the community the Prime Minister is suggesting that asking returned travellers to self-isolate at home might be the way forward because it seemed to work in February/March - which kinda goes against the Vic Libs idea that we needed soldiers to keep returned travellers in quarantine It would be really great if the Vic Libs could set aside party politics and pull together in this crisis, which is what oppositions seems to have done at both a federal and state level everywhere else. But I guess the real issue is that the Vic Libs are struggling to oppose a successful Premier whose government has achieved more than any Victorian government for decades, and they don't think they can afford to miss a moment to undermine him through adopting a bipartisan approach.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    This, more than anything, shows you don't actually know anything about Victorian politics. Ted Baillieu (Liberal Premier from 2010-2012) was known as Do Nothing Ted. The Libs had not expected to win the 2010 election and seemed paralysed when they got in. Daniel Andrews got elected in 2014 and was on a mission to do things. The criticisms from the Opposition were that he was doing too much, spending too much especially on level crossing removal and major infrastructure projects. He was far from a media tart - signing up to all sorts of campaigns that were unpopular (including marriage equality, euthanasia, medicinal cannabis, injecting rooms, safe schools, tearing up the East-West contract). In the 2018 election, the Liberals led out on a crime agenda - particularly African gangs. This did not resonate with people because (a) crime had actually fallen and (b) their leader was caught having a fundraising dinner at The Lobster Cave with Tony Madafferi, an actual crime godfather who is alleged to have ordered the hit on Mario Condello (see Underbelly Series 1). The fact that you think the Liberals will sort the state out, despite not knowing what their policies are, pr what previous election campaigns have been fought on suggests you are just trolling.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    Indeed, but the reality is not really relevant - it is about dog whistles.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    Agreed. The hidden subtext of the Liberal argument is that the security guard super spreader is Muslim and spread the virus at an Eid festival - and that Muslim families have not been adhering to the social distancing requirements - and if you had used white soldiers or police instead of Muslim private security guards it would all be hunky dory. They cannot say this is as any words, but it is the subtext of a lot of their rhetoric.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    No you haven't. You have made a vague statement about lack of leadership and accountability - as far as I can tell using the high infection numbers to assert that he mist have done something wrong. But you haven't yet said what he should have done differently, despite repeated prompts for you to do so. The basic rules of debate are that if you make an assertion, you should be able to support it with evidence or explanation. Unless/until you do so, you are not debating, you are just sloganeering.
  24. Quinkla

    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    You asserted that Daniel Andrews had stuffed up. You need to point to some act or omission to back up your assertion. That's how it works.
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    Is Dan Andrews doing the right thing?

    So be bold - what should he have done? Perhaps you could identify something that the leaders in other states and territories did that helped them avoid a second wave... Like I say, you really don't understand cause and effect, do you?
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