akiralx Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I am always shocked in IT recruitment when poorer quality candidates are recruited over more suitable ones in Brisbane due to 'Mate-ship' but these relationships really matter as the person you turn down may have influence on your own position down the line ... Better to appoint a poorer candidate and protect yourself. Why not recruit the best person - then become his mate? It's true though that 'mateship' seems to trump everything in Australia, including talent, aptitude, training or skill.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The 'old boy network' was alive and well at one time in the UK. Perhaps things have changed since then. Bloody hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The 'old boy network' was alive and well at one time in the UK. Perhaps things have changed since then. Bloody hope so. When I think about all the net working that went on between people we knew in UK who had all gone to the "right public schools" and gave each other's children jobs, you can't tell me it's just peculiar to Australia. Also friends who left the forces, strangely getting jobs in companies where they knew another ex forces friend. I'm sure it's bad here but the inference is that it only exists here is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The 'old boy network' was alive and well at one time in the UK. Perhaps things have changed since then. Bloody hope so. Agreed. It never ceases to amaze me how much emphasis posters put on croneyism in Oz as if it 's something unique to Oz. It's the same the whole world over, always has been and always will be. No different than the line-ups in the school yards when someone has to pick a team for a game of British Bulldogs or whatever. "Sucking Up" and "looking after your own" is, IMHO, universal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 If this were rife and true, how does it explain all the new migrants coming over and getting jobs. The unemployed figures would consist almost entirely of predominantly Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 If this were rife and true, how does it explain all the new migrants coming over and getting jobs. The unemployed figures would consist almost entirely of predominantly Brits. Exactly the opposite in nursing. Health is the only real area that I have experience of, and I have many pommy acquaintances in that area and they all say that they get the distinct impression that British trained nurses receieve preferential treatment in the job stakes. Not because the interviewers were poms but because Australians (in the health sector) recognise pommy expertise and professionalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Agreed. It never ceases to amaze me how much emphasis posters put on croneyism in Oz as if it 's something unique to Oz. It's the same the whole world over, always has been and always will be. No different than the line-ups in the school yards when someone has to pick a team for a game of British Bulldogs or whatever. "Sucking Up" and "looking after your own" is, IMHO, universal Until it got banned along with other things, like snowballs:sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Until it got banned along with other things, like snowballs:sad: Don't forget that dangerous game involving conkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Don't forget that dangerous game involving conkers And Birthday bumps! though it is dangerous my Granny died because of that...........................................................................................................................................................97 she was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Agreed. It never ceases to amaze me how much emphasis posters put on croneyism in Oz as if it 's something unique to Oz. It's the same the whole world over, always has been and always will be. No different than the line-ups in the school yards when someone has to pick a team for a game of British Bulldogs or whatever. "Sucking Up" and "looking after your own" is, IMHO, universal Of course, but the anti-oz brigade (we know who they are :laugh:) will never admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Of course, but the anti-oz brigade (we know who they are :laugh:) will never admit it. Yeah Jocktas, there righht up themselfs arnt they! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Personelly I think it a shame they banned all the games in the UK on account of the Moslims and Sharon law. I quiet licked football:no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Yeah Jocktas, there righht up themselfs arnt they! :yes: :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Personelly I think it a shame they banned all the games in the UK on account of the Moslims and Sharon law. I quiet licked football:no: You been glugging the gin you keep in the bottom drawer of your desk again Harp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Personelly I think it a shame they banned all the games in the UK on account of the Moslims and Sharon law. I quiet licked football:no: Don't forget the banning of Christmas too, so it doesn't offend them there Moslims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Agreed. It never ceases to amaze me how much emphasis posters put on croneyism in Oz as if it 's something unique to Oz. It's the same the whole world over, always has been and always will be. No different than the line-ups in the school yards when someone has to pick a team for a game of British Bulldogs or whatever. "Sucking Up" and "looking after your own" is, IMHO, universal Well no not necessary the same the world over actually. Global cities are more prone to employ on proved skills and professional attainments. The sheer nature and size would make cronyism less an issue. Not saying it can never happen because obviously it does but not to the same dimension as a city such as Perth where it is very relevant. Europeans in my experience are far more education based in employment decisions than favouritism but knowing people whom can put a good word in will obviously never go astray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 You been glugging the gin you keep in the bottom drawer of your desk again Harp? No I don't think so, just a fettish of his, there should have being a space between foot and ball:laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Don't forget the banning of Christmas too, so it doesn't offend them there Moslims. I remember being chosen for a part in the school Christmas play, I went home and told my mam, she asked what part I was playing, the Husband I said, "well go back and tell them you want a speaking part" she said:laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why not recruit the best person - then become his mate? It's true though that 'mateship' seems to trump everything in Australia, including talent, aptitude, training or skill.... Because the new found 'mate' may not prove to be such a cobber after all. Just kick you in the guts and take your job, or elevated to a higher position at first given opportunity. Especially if better than person who employed them or trickier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Personelly I think it a shame they banned all the games in the UK on account of the Moslims and Sharon law. I quiet licked football:no: Bit of a bitch that Sharon law bint eh? Was it her foorbal that you licked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Bit of a bitch that Sharon law bint eh? Was it her foorbal that you licked? Now your talkin my kind off language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Now your talkin my kind off language Hevin forebid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chortlepuss Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Well no not necessary the same the world over actually. Global cities are more prone to employ on proved skills and professional attainments. The sheer nature and size would make cronyism less an issue. Not saying it can never happen because obviously it does but not to the same dimension as a city such as Perth where it is very relevant. Europeans in my experience are far more education based in employment decisions than favouritism but knowing people whom can put a good word in will obviously never go astray. Absolutely agree. Australian mates who have had to move down to Sydney or Melbourne for IT and change management work say the market is way different than Brisbane - Much more professional and competency based...Whilst someone putting a word in for you never hurts, chances are if you go for an interview in Melbourne your recruiter won't be best buddies with your previous manager and they will have to rely on your skills and competencies to see if you are fit for the job. Program Directors/Managers in larger cities are far more likely to have got their position on the basis of their experience and capabilities and so more capable of asking you the right questions anyhow...... the market is so small in Brisbane and you burn bridges at your peril.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Absolutely agree. Australian mates who have had to move down to Sydney or Melbourne for IT and change management work say the market is way different than Brisbane - Much more professional and competency based...Whilst someone putting a word in for you never hurts, chances are if you go for an interview in Melbourne your recruiter won't be best buddies with your previous manager and they will have to rely on your skills and competencies to see if you are fit for the job. Program Directors/Managers in larger cities are far more likely to have got their position on the basis of their experience and capabilities and so more capable of asking you the right questions anyhow...... the market is so small in Brisbane and you burn bridges at your peril.... So contrary to the oft touted emaphasis on it being an Australian trait, it's more about the size of city (anywhere)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) So contrary to the oft touted emaphasis on it being an Australian trait, it's more about the size of city (anywhere)? I might also add that in our IT company in Brisbane competency matters a lot in interviews and people come from all over, many with few or no previous ties to Brisbane. This has been more the norm than nepotism in my career experience. Personal/professional recommendations are given some weight but seemed little different to the level of weight they were given during my IT career in the UK. Edited October 23, 2015 by fish.01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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