Bound4Tassie Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 We are far too soft on these people. If they are violent treatment should be refused/withheld . Kick them out and they can contemplate their behaviour while in agony / bleeding to death / suffering withdrawal from whatever they're addicted to. No right to a complaints procedure for these people - they lost their rights the minute they were violent. That's in my version of the world anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapri Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I'm a mental health nurse and in my experience, those on alcohol detox are often the most difficult client group. Generally very demanding. I think there should be strict penalties for those who are not psychotic, who attack staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy1 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Happens in teaching too. Unfortunately some parents believe that manners and appropriate behaviour are the sole responsibility of the school... Nurses and Doctors certainly should not have to put up with it and offenders should be prosecuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickled Pink Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I could tell a few stories to add to this thread... I worked for 8 years in a department where threats, assaults etc happened quite a bit. We even had a list of patients who were not allowed to step foot in the dept without a pre arranged police escort! I fear its nothing new, its been going on for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I'm a Home Help and go into clients own homes on my own. I've not had any issues until a few weeks ago when an elderly clients son in law decided that I was there for other extra "duties" and decided to show his erm "appreciation" I fended him off but his wife came into the room at that precise time and started physically fighting her OH who was drunk as a skunk at 11 am! I got in the car and drove back to base in tears, scared me silly tbh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Where im from in Liverpool they always changed your first name,if it was possible anyway,dont know what yer'd do with "Ian"",for instance?!Names like mine,Paul ,were changed to Paulo,Pablo,etc,Peter was Pedro for instance,dont ask me why tho lol! So no,its not to do with Italian links,but weirdly my great grand parents are Italian! Happens here too pablo. Have different nicknames in different social circles, depending on who gives them to you and what sticks. Latest one in the ski paddling circle (when it's not Paulo) is bandit. That's due to me having a go at some BMX bike jumps on the mountain bike when we went on a ride in the National Park. Didn't quite make the jump, got some air but misjudged the landing, suspension bottomed out and I tried to keep it on the track but came off the side and down the embankment. Just to give the guys an even better laugh the steering trapped my leg and flipped me over the handlebars. Even my son was laughing for a minute. Layed there a bit dazed, trying to work out if anything was broken but slowly got up and thought I was OK. Tried to act as though I meant to do it, obviously. We were about 30 Km from where the cars were parked and I thought I'd got off OK. Pain started on the way back and by the time we got to the car I could hardly walk. Did some damage to my hip flexor which took about 2 months to come good. Could have been worse if I hadn't been wearing a helmet:laugh: So BMX bandit it is till I do something else stupid, only a matter of time my wife would say.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 My wife used to be a health visitor in Moss Side and Wythenshaw. She used to say the cops used to walk round in pairs there but health visitors were exoected to go visit clients on their own. She was scared a time or two and thought something might happen. Got cars knicked and new that the burger van on the end of the street was a drug dealing operation, she was pretty lucky though and had a decent relationship with most of the clients after a while. Wouldn't have fancied her job though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I had to take my old man to QE2 woolwich on thursday and the people who think they have a god given right to turn up and demand care is unbelievable, complaining about this and that being rude to the drs and nurses. I bet half of them have never paid into the system in their lives.. Lots of us on here have benefited from the dedication of our NHS staff and IMO they should get much more recognition for what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 What really annoys me is these violent nasty types always get seen to first to get them out of the way. I know a nurse who works in the ED and she says it really, really pisses them off but that is what they are told to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinaisrar Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 Hospitals are a hazard that's for sure. Personally in my 11 years in the Nhs I was only threatened once and that was with a shoe!! Last week though my daughter was threatened twice in one hour while waiting at A & E at Royal Perth Hospital. First time was verbally by a guy who then pulled a knife (not on her though, thankfully). then a again verbally by some aboriginals, who screamed at her that she was white trash etc etc. She is only 17 and was on her own. Ended up locking herself in the toilets and phoning us to come and get her. there wasnt any security people, but the police were called when the guy pulled the knife. Awwww fifi 17 years old, that must have really shook her up, hope shes ok x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinaisrar Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 I'm a Home Help and go into clients own homes on my own. I've not had any issues until a few weeks ago when an elderly clients son in law decided that I was there for other extra "duties" and decided to show his erm "appreciation" I fended him off but his wife came into the room at that precise time and started physically fighting her OH who was drunk as a skunk at 11 am! I got in the car and drove back to base in tears, scared me silly tbh! The risks taken hey, community certainly has its own dangers as you unfortunately found out, that is so scary for you, hope you are ok xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritChickx Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I've done community care before, not been scared of any of the clients, more that i didn't like being out riding my bike between houses at night time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Happens in teaching too. Unfortunately some parents believe that manners and appropriate behaviour are the sole responsibility of the school... Nurses and Doctors certainly should not have to put up with it and offenders should be prosecuted. We were talking about this the other day Sammy and how when we were younger if we got in trouble at school then our parents attitude would have been "you must have done something" (although they would have intervened if they thought it unjust), but there seems to be an "I'll sort them out" attitude now. Years ago school could be quite brutal (which wasn't right), but it seems to be the other way for some - we need to get the balance right., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I know Cairns has hospital security they are on the doors of A & E and patrol the wards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I worked on a PICU (psychiatric intensive care unit) and there wasn't much that didn't go on in there in the way of violence- mad and bad people. However, sometimes it all depended who was on shift aswell (dynamics etc). Sometimes it's people's approach and knowing when to back off, medicate people and master the art of de-escalting potential incidents. I know it's not always as cut and dry as this and you will always get the idiots who 'act up'. There should be consequences if people are lucid and aware of what they are doing, fines, compensation to staff etc. It's not just the physical aspect of being attacked but the more long term psychological impact this can have that is an issue. It's a difficult job at the best of times and staff should feel safe and well protected in order to do their jobs. They should not feel threatened when delivering care to those who need it. If patients have capacity and are being violent, they should be arrested, taken to the cop shop and dealt with. If it happened on the street, you would hope this would happen. Why should it be ok in a health environment? I think the other element is the other patients. Nurses have a duty of care to look out for them too. Not easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annagilda Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I was a little surprised I suppose; when one of our very first lectures at uni was to teach us how to set up our treatment room in clinic in a way that we had easy access to the door, with some sort of furniture as a barrier between us and the patient. I haven't had any major experiences yet, apart from one very small one. I suppose unfortunately, it's only a matter of time though. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinaisrar Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 I was a little surprised I suppose; when one of our very first lectures at uni was to teach us how to set up our treatment room in clinic in a way that we had easy access to the door, with some sort of furniture as a barrier between us and the patient. I haven't had any major experiences yet, apart from one very small one. I suppose unfortunately, it's only a matter of time though. :-( Dont worry yes we work in a more vulnerable job yet we choose to cuz we enjoy it. However, the more serious incidents are few, alot more verbal .......dont let it get to you, the vast majority give you more enjoyment than the minority xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annagilda Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Dont worry yes we work in a more vulnerable job yet we choose to cuz we enjoy it. However, the more serious incidents are few, alot more verbal .......dont let it get to you, the vast majority give you more enjoyment than the minority xx You're right. i do love it! I couldn't imagine doing anything else. :-) X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 My mum used to be a cleaner at a high secure psychiatric hospital, i was always worried about her. They trained her so she knew what to do if someone attacked but its still a very scary thought! Even in the general hospitals the poor staff must have to put up with a lot of abuse, last time i was there i noticed a big sign saying people would be prosectuted, the police were actually there too but not sure if it was related to anything like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 They should prosecute them ( except maybe the really bad psych ones)- I don't see why they should be allowed to put staff lives at risk ( or other patients come to that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Shoes Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 It has happened to my oh too, in the UK whilst working in the NHS ..... and verbally / intimidating in OZ ...... not nice especially when all health care workers want to do is help people .... quite disgusting ...... With the one in the UK it turned nasty, the police and court were involved, really a bad time, and because at the time my ohs professional body published members addresses publicly everyone knew where we lived and we had an incident of vandalism at our house, still think today it was the perp who made the assault, but the police never really chased it up, leaves a nasty taste, and sure put us off reporting any similar incidents to the boys in blue, because being a victim twice was so unfair ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritChickx Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was a little surprised I suppose; when one of our very first lectures at uni was to teach us how to set up our treatment room in clinic in a way that we had easy access to the door, with some sort of furniture as a barrier between us and the patient. I haven't had any major experiences yet, apart from one very small one. I suppose unfortunately, it's only a matter of time though. :-( oh yeah i've always been told never get yourself in a position where you can't move easily/get away....don't get yourself cornered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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