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I know the topic of the obligation to live and work in the Sponsoring State for a subclass 190 visa is often discussed.

Many advise that this is just a "moral obligation" and not required. 

This is not the case. Some States are now actively pursuing non compliance and have successfully had sc190 visas cancelled for applicants not meeting their obligations of living and working in the sponsoring state, using cancellation provisions in the Migration Act.

Subdivision C - Visas based on incorrect information may be cancelled 

 

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Am I right in assuming those people who had visas cancelled did not seek release from the State?  Do states still grant release in some cases and on what grounds?  


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15 minutes ago, rammygirl said:

Am I right in assuming those people who had visas cancelled did not seek release from the State?  Do states still grant release in some cases and on what grounds?  

I do not know the specifics of the cancellations as they were not my clients, but believe cancellation would be unlikely if a release letter was provided.

Most States are reasonable with release letters if genuine efforts have been made.

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5 hours ago, Raul Senise said:

I know the topic of the obligation to live and work in the Sponsoring State for a subclass 190 visa is often discussed.

Many advise that this is just a "moral obligation" and not required. 

This is not the case. Some States are now actively pursuing non compliance and have successfully had sc190 visas cancelled for applicants not meeting their obligations of living and working in the sponsoring state, using cancellation provisions in the Migration Act.

Subdivision C - Visas based on incorrect information may be cancelled 

 

Are you aware which states are actively pursuing this? It could be useful for forum members even just to serve as a "warning" if nothing else

Also, is this the rule or the exception to the rule to pursue (with success) the cancellation of 190 visa holders? 

How does one determine a visa was issued on incorrect information to facilitate cancellation? I imagine a scenario (as per the other 190 thread) where three IT professionals move to Melbourne on a 190. All apply for positions over the following 6 months. One is successful, two are not. Of the two that are unsuccessful one seeks release from the state the other does not. Both leave in order to find employment to feed their families and secure jobs in other states, contributing to the economy and integrating into society. Is it really feasible that one of these individuals would have their visa cancelled? Or are we discussing outliers that deliberately seek a 190 under false pretenses and do not even set foot in the state of choice?

I can imagine some forum members applying with complete honesty but having genuine need to relocate interstate and reading the above could cause much distress without clarification. This would be particularly true if they were only now becoming aware of the above 'after the fact' having not sought release from the relevant state before moving through genuine need.


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2 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Are you aware which states are actively pursuing this? It could be useful for forum members even just to serve as a "warning" if nothing else

I can imagine some forum members applying with complete honesty but having genuine need to relocate interstate and reading the above could cause much distress without clarification. This would be particularly true if they were only now becoming aware of the above 'after the fact' having not sought release from the relevant state before moving through genuine need.

I don't think it matters which states are doing it now.  Where one goes, the rest are likely to follow, and you can bet they won't advertise the fact before they start doing it.  Therefore people need to be conscious it could happen, no matter which state they're going for.

Of course there are people who apply with complete honesty and then have a genuine need to relocate. That's what the release process is for. As the OP says, IF you apply for release, you will usually get one.  

It's hard to imagine anyone who applies for a 190 isn't aware of the obligations that go with the visa. If they deliberately flout that obligation, they deserve everything they get - especially as doing the right thing (ie. requesting a release) is so easy to do.

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On 05/10/2018 at 15:35, MacGyver said:

Are you aware which states are actively pursuing this? It could be useful for forum members even just to serve as a "warning" if nothing else

Yes I am aware.

I don't see any point in sharing such information it as I do not want to be party to people actively looking to rort the system.

On 05/10/2018 at 15:35, MacGyver said:

Also, is this the rule or the exception to the rule to pursue (with success) the cancellation of 190 visa holders? 

Too early to tell, however, based on the PMs latest announcement I believe this will become more common.

On 05/10/2018 at 15:35, MacGyver said:

How does one determine a visa was issued on incorrect information to facilitate cancellation? I imagine a scenario (as per the other 190 thread) where three IT professionals move to Melbourne on a 190. All apply for positions over the following 6 months. One is successful, two are not. Of the two that are unsuccessful one seeks release from the state the other does not. Both leave in order to find employment to feed their families and secure jobs in other states, contributing to the economy and integrating into society. Is it really feasible that one of these individuals would have their visa cancelled? Or are we discussing outliers that deliberately seek a 190 under false pretenses and do not even set foot in the state of choice?

I can imagine some forum members applying with complete honesty but having genuine need to relocate interstate and reading the above could cause much distress without clarification. This would be particularly true if they were only now becoming aware of the above 'after the fact' having not sought release from the relevant state before moving through genuine need.

I think it is unlikely that anyone who made a genuine effort and communicated with their sponsoring State will face cancellation.

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I have had clients who instructed me that they did not intend to reside in a sponsoring state or territory, so I stopped representing them and informed the relevant authorities that I had no further instructions and to deal directly with the applicant/s.The alternative would have been to submit to the state/territory/minister information that I knew, or should have known, was false or misleading in a material particular.


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2 hours ago, wrussell said:

I have had clients who instructed me that they did not intend to reside in a sponsoring state or territory, so I stopped representing them and informed the relevant authorities that I had no further instructions and to deal directly with the applicant/s.The alternative would have been to submit to the state/territory/minister information that I knew, or should have known, was false or misleading in a material particular.

As a MARA registered agent, is there an expectation/responsibility to advise the relevant authority/authorities of any wrongdoing if it later becomes known to the agent?

Sorry for so many questions, as I said before it's not relevant to me personally or anyone I know but I find it all very interesting. It must put agents in a very uncomfortable situation sometimes? Are there repercussions for agents if they are complicit in applications such as the above (i.e submit on behalf of a client despite knowing it is not a truthful application)?


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I am someone who started my Journey in Australia from Adelaide in Feb 2015 ( on 457 Visa ), Applied 190 SS SA visa in MArch 2017 and recieved Visa in September 2017. Unfortunately as soon as I recieved PR, My Employer terminated my contract ( I got this contract from offshore and expectation was I would go back to offshore to join offshore office).  I went back to India in October 2017 and came back on 1-Jan-18. Serached for job for 3 months...till March end..Was not able to Secure anything...Then on one day I got call from Melbourne and they offered me contract for 6 months..I called SA Immigration office and checked with them if I can join the melbourne office ..They said okay go ahead and try finding job in Adelaide..which I kept finding..I am not still not able to find any job in Adelaide..Now my Melbourne office has agreed to provide me a permanent role..starting from 1-Nov-18..I again called SA Immigration department and checked with them if I can grab this role..They told me to send email...I sent email and next day I recieved a response from them as per attached. Please check attachement..

My Family still live in Adelaide..My Kids goes to school there ..I have house on lease there ..and I travel every week back to Adelaide..

Does anyone think I would have any issues in future?? This Permanent role can meant to be lot for me...

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6 minutes ago, saini@AU said:

I am someone who started my Journey in Australia from Adelaide in Feb 2015 ( on 457 Visa ), Applied 190 SS SA visa in MArch 2017 and recieved Visa in September 2017. Unfortunately as soon as I recieved PR, My Employer terminated my contract ( I got this contract from offshore and expectation was I would go back to offshore to join offshore office).  I went back to India in October 2017 and came back on 1-Jan-18. Serached for job for 3 months...till March end..Was not able to Secure anything...Then on one day I got call from Melbourne and they offered me contract for 6 months..I called SA Immigration office and checked with them if I can join the melbourne office ..They said okay go ahead and try finding job in Adelaide..which I kept finding..I am not still not able to find any job in Adelaide..Now my Melbourne office has agreed to provide me a permanent role..starting from 1-Nov-18..I again called SA Immigration department and checked with them if I can grab this role..They told me to send email...I sent email and next day I recieved a response from them as per attached. Please check attachement..

My Family still live in Adelaide..My Kids goes to school there ..I have house on lease there ..and I travel every week back to Adelaide..

Does anyone think I would have any issues in future?? This Permanent role can meant to be lot for me...

Seems good to me actually. 

Mind if I ask you which department you specifically contacted for? I am currently looking for a release letter but the dept I contacted (Skilled Migration Tasmania <-) said they do not issue a release letter so I think probably I approached to a wrong address. What is the name of SA immigration office you contacted and how did you know that they are the one you need to contact to? 

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I know the topic of the obligation to live and work in the Sponsoring State for a subclass 190 visa is often discussed.
Many advise that this is just a "moral obligation" and not required. 
This is not the case. Some States are now actively pursuing non compliance and have successfully had sc190 visas cancelled for applicants not meeting their obligations of living and working in the sponsoring state, using cancellation provisions in the Migration Act.
Subdivision C - Visas based on incorrect information may be cancelled 
 

How do you know you have completed 2 years? Is it 730 days in the particular state or how do you calculate it?

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On 09/10/2018 at 11:56, MacGyver said:
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As a MARA registered agent, is there an expectation/responsibility to advise the relevant authority/authorities of any wrongdoing if it later becomes known to the agent?

 Only the usual obligation to report criminal offences.

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 Are there repercussions for agents if they are complicit in applications such as the above (i.e submit on behalf of a client despite knowing it is not a truthful application)?

Only for registered migration agents. Unregistered agents are not regulated.


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