wolvesaussie Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 it unfair for existing holders but surely if these skilled people are really not available in the local job market then the employer would have to change package to include these extra charges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 If the employee has new out of pocket expenses due to changes in the visa system, I see that as an issue to be discussed with their sponsor. Thing is though the employer employees the individual not the family. I don't see it being the employers responsibility to help someone send the kids to s hook if circumstances change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Thing is though the employer employees the individual not the family. I don't see it being the employers responsibility to help someone send the kids to s hook if circumstances change. I agree and I worry that if employees start asking this there will be more redundancies on the cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I agree and I worry that if employees start asking this there will be more redundancies on the cards. Employees will soon see how valuable they are to the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelchic Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 It's over $9000 in ACT. Debs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Thing is though the employer employees the individual not the family. I don't see it being the employers responsibility to help someone send the kids to s hook if circumstances change. Employer sponsors the whole family. Employer is reponsible for supplying a competitive package to the employee. Employee is free to negotiate a better deal. Employer is free to not use 457s..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 It's over $9000 in ACT. Debs Move to Vic or Qld lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jen85 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Employees will soon see how valuable they are to the business. Everyone is replaceable unfortunately for 457's it will be the ones who cost the most i.e. having to include $4k extra in package for EACH child (if it happened) that get the chop. This may have Brit's thinking more about their move here, its not cheap to live in Aus now maybe everyone will realise it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Employees will soon see how valuable they are to the business. 457s are all super important people, who have skills that Australian's do not have and that is why they were recruited from overseas to fill the gap.. Clearly they're of great value to the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfndirt Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Reality time kids..... The 457 system has been massively abused by mostly Indians and the govt are now tightening it up. No if's no but's no maybe's..... They will try and find a weakness and then exploit it for all it's worth. Happened with higher ed, now 457's..... Good on the govt for acting I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abz123 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 457s are all super important people. Not in the case of one place I worked. It was back door cronyism to move incompetent (British) mates into a "booming" economy when there was no work for them in the UK / USA. I had to remind myself that I really was working and living in Australia when I went into the office every day! I believe (maybe incorrectly) that companies over a certain size can basically fast track 457's without testing the local market to see if there are qualified PR's and citizens out there who can adequately fill positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfndirt Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Just to echo some other posts. This country does not owe you anything, nothing at all - not one iota. Just because people grew up watching Neighbours and the occasional home & away when nowt else was on - does not, in any way, mean you entitled to ANYTHING here. To do that you must, like everyone else, earn it by staying long enough to become a citizen - which is earned over time. What you are displaying is an entitlement complex. Just because you may have heaps of family here or, there's a union jack in the corner of the flag - still doesn't mean the country owes you anything.... Nothing at all. If the govt needs to tighten it's belt then so be it. the reason you are not getting support here is because alot of people leave Euro land to escape a massive entitlement culture and this kind of stuff rings of socialism / "the world owes me a free education"...... It doesn't. You earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Berry Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Not in the case of one place I worked. It was back door cronyism to move incompetent (British) mates into a "booming" economy when there was no work for them in the UK / USA. I had to remind myself that I really was working and living in Australia when I went into the office every day! I believe (maybe incorrectly) that companies over a certain size can basically fast track 457's without testing the local market to see if there are qualified PR's and citizens out there who can adequately fill positions. I have experienced the same except this was bringing in South Africans and bringing in all their ex collegues/mates. They then promoted the South Africans into management positions, created a management position for them if one didn't exist and pushed out the Aussies that had the jobs so they could give the job to a South African, it was refered to where I worked as the South African mafia. I know my Aussie colleagues contacted immigration because the 457 visa system was being abused. I don't think anything happened at the time (this was a few years ago) but I reckon immigration have heard all these stories over and over again hence the crackdown. Edited August 12, 2013 by Jessica Berry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abz123 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 it was refered to where I worked as the South African mafia. Leeds mafia in my case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jen85 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 I have experienced the same except this was bringing in South Africans and bringing in all their ex collegues/mates. They then promoted the South Africans into management positions, created a management position for them if one didn't exist and pushed out the Aussies that had the jobs so they could give the job to a South African, it was refered to where I worked as the South African mafia. I know my Aussie colleagues contacted immigration because the 457 visa system was being abused. I don't think anything happened at the time (this was a few years ago) but I reckon immigration have heard all these stories over and over again hence the crackdown. This happened at the Coles down the road from me, one minute it was full of aussie workers and then next it was being managed by Brits with all brit workers. I've got nothing against the english but they seem to come here in droves and each one employs another english person instead of any aussies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennic Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 So can any of you tell me if this is defiantly coming in? Can we pay in installments? Will it be old and new 457 holders that have to pay? Will it have to be paid by the start of term in February? Would like to know so I can look at my options soon thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosiew Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 So can any of you tell me if this is defiantly coming in?Can we pay in installments? Will it be old and new 457 holders that have to pay? Will it have to be paid by the start of term in February? Would like to know so I can look at my options soon thanks According to the budget papers it will come in at the beginning of 2014. There is no detail on who it will apply to but they are budgeting a constant income figure for this for a few years so it is based on a stagnant number of children - makes me think it will apply to everyone from the start and not come in gradually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 It is coming in - there is a backlash against 457's at the moment being encouraged by the unions, so with the average Ozzie this is seen as a good thing. From the limited amount of data up to now, it looks like will be from the new school year. it also looks on the budget figures that it will apply to all 457's - new and existing. I believe in the other states it is paid termly. But there is no clarification yet for WA So can any of you tell me if this is defiantly coming in?Can we pay in installments? Will it be old and new 457 holders that have to pay? Will it have to be paid by the start of term in February? Would like to know so I can look at my options soon thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Not in the case of one place I worked. It was back door cronyism to move incompetent (British) mates into a "booming" economy when there was no work for them in the UK / USA. I had to remind myself that I really was working and living in Australia when I went into the office every day! I believe (maybe incorrectly) that companies over a certain size can basically fast track 457's without testing the local market to see if there are qualified PR's and citizens out there who can adequately fill positions. Do you work in construction by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErmintrudeMcMoo Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Not sure if anyone has pointed this out as I haven't read the whole thread but I don't think you should be petitioning the education department about this as they merely follow government policy. From what I can see state government has put this out there without any further info, pretty damn poor as neither current visa holders nor schools know where they stand as yet. It's one thing to get a visa and expect to pay this but it's a kick in teeth if its going to include those already here on that visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Well it looks like the petition is dead in the water as far as PIO is concerned. All seems pointless to me, too- most politicians are far too busy watching their own backs at the moment. It would be a very brave polly who supported a petition like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon4017 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Well it looks like the petition is dead in the water as far as PIO is concerned. All seems pointless to me, too- most politicians are far too busy watching their own backs at the moment. It would be a very brave polly who supported a petition like this. Quite. 457 visa holders don't vote. Someone who feels their job has been taken by a 457 does. It's a no brainer. Which is fortunate, because anyone who thinks "their job has been stolen" hasn't got any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 The mining boom is over. The government needs to bring in more revenue from other sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 The mining boom is over. The government needs to bring in more revenue from other sources. Like another highly un desirable housing boom for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Queensland and Vic don't charge At the moment! Not something to be banking on however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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