over 45 visa chances?

[Parley]

On 31/07/2023 at 17:01, MrsPOB said:

Keep in mind that this... "permanent visa for people who have an internationally recognised record of exceptional and outstanding achievement in an eligible field" is a relative measurement based on the track/field in which you are looking to obtain a visa. I've been in the tech field for 25 years and have spent the last seven years focused on HPC/Data/AI/ML workloads. It may not be special to some, but to others, it is. Yes, I have a boatload of certifications, went through the ACS professional certification process, have several publications (whitepapers and studies) under my name and have done the international speaking circuit for High Capacity Workloads - all of which were submitted as my record of achievement within my field. 

When we were looking to return to Australia, I was given the impression that I was too old. Then it was suggested I wasn't talented enough. But that wasn't the case; the Global Talent visa was created to address issues around not having enough people in Australia within specialised areas that could help and contribute to a healthy economy. During the whole process, I was actually called a "unicorn" (which made me laugh); the reference was made because there are only a handful of women in the field in which I focus. Now to those I work for and with, I am considered special because of what I can bring to my role, but to others who have no idea about my area of speciality, I might not meet their definition of "special" or "exceptional". It really is relative to the track/field in which you are looking - you can't paint everyone with the same brush. It takes many different professions to contribute to a healthy economy, not just one kind.

Referring back to the OP who asked if there was a way, I mentioned there is... actually there are several ways. But, like everything, you need to figure out what matches up with who you are and what you can bring to the table. At the end of the day, if you can show how you can contribute to Australia's economy and society positively (and better yet, exponentially), then the powers that be will see that there is an advantage to extending a visa.

So after being granted a visa to bring your special talents to Australia after only 8 or 9 months you want out and are going back to Europe.

Seems very wrong.

[Steve Elliott]

The GTI visa is a fantastic option for the lucky few who are eligible. I have been fortunate to have worked with many successful GTI applicants. In the early days, the processing was incredibly fast and application process, straightforward. Immediate PR brings many benefits such as free schooling, medicare and freedom to work for whoever you choose. Concessional stamp duty on house purchases is also very attractive. One client saved over AUD 150k in stamp duty alone by being on this PR visa as a opposed to a provisional. 

What is not prominent on the DHA website is that the individual must have skills/talent in one of ten specified sectors. In addition the level of skills must be higher than their peers and be internationally recognised, and the candidate must also be nominated by an expert in their field. Candidates also need to demonstrate they are capable of earning in excess of a high income threshold.

GTI's are a lot harder to obtain today as the application numbers have swollen and overall quality of applications has fallen. 

For anyone interested in the GTI, first determine if your skills fall within the ten specified sectors then self reflect and ask yourself if your talent is such that you are internationally recognised by your peers as an expert and standout  in your niche, will have no problem potentially earning $153k+ per year. You will also require a nomination from an Expert in your field who is based in Australia. If you think you might satisfy these requirements, it might be worth exploring further by discussing with an experienced Registered Migration Agent who specialises in this area,

I have GTI clients who are well into their 60's while some have not yet turned 30.

Hope that helps.

 

[Toots]

7 hours ago, Cheery Thistle said:

Sounds like a load of hassle to me, all that back and forward and applying for visas, but that’s me I don’t travel particularly light! 

Not so much of a hassle if you don't have children or pets and providing your other half is up for all the pinging and ponging.  Personally I really couldn't be doing with the hassle but some people seem to thrive on it.

[Cheery Thistle]

3 hours ago, Toots said:

Not so much of a hassle if you don't have children or pets and providing your other half is up for all the pinging and ponging.  Personally I really couldn't be doing with the hassle but some people seem to thrive on it.

I have only moved house once in the past 20 years so can’t imagine shifting countries/continents just like it’s nothing lol. With a 10 year old and 2 dogs it’s not cheap or straightforward either. We like being settled, but that’s a very personal preference. I think we know that once we leave Scotland we won’t go back to stay. That’s not to say we will be in Aus forever, but if we leave it won’t be to go back to Scotland. 

[FirstWorldProblems]

11 hours ago, Cheery Thistle said:

Sounds like a load of hassle to me, all that back and forward and applying for visas, but that’s me I don’t travel particularly light! 

Exactly. I found the process so stressful I got shingles from it.  It’s remarkable to me that someone can do it so many times.   Must be a free spirit and very chilled type of person.   

Edited August 4, 2023 by FirstWorldProblems

[MrsPOB]

3 hours ago, Toots said:

Not so much of a hassle if you don't have children or pets and providing your other half is up for all the pinging and ponging.  Personally I really couldn't be doing with the hassle but some people seem to thrive on it.

Completely agree. The husband and I agree that if we had children, it would be a whole other story. But so would the job/profession I have chosen; not everyone is comfortable with knowing that your role will be gone (or you will no longer be needed) after 12-14 months. You come, you do your big project, make friends, live the local experience and then get the offer to move along to the next "must-do" project on the list. I think, thanks to our early career opportunities, both the husband and I got used to moving and experiencing something different every 2-3 years. As we get closer and closer to retirement age, that will no doubt change... but for now, we enjoy the opportunity to explore new places or re-experience a place we've been many years before.

Definitely different strokes for different folks. 

[Cheery Thistle]

9 minutes ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

Exactly. I found the process so stressful I got shingles from it.  It’s remarkable to me that someone can do it so many times.   Must be a free spirit and very chilled type of person.   

I am famously laidback among my family and friends and have actually found the visa application process to be very smooth (and fast) so far, but I’m sure the actual moving process is going to set my teeth on edge. Especially dealing with the dogs and also finding a home and jobs on the other side. Eek. 

[InnerVoice]

1 hour ago, Cheery Thistle said:

I am famously laidback among my family and friends and have actually found the visa application process to be very smooth (and fast) so far, but I’m sure the actual moving process is going to set my teeth on edge. Especially dealing with the dogs and also finding a home and jobs on the other side. Eek. 

Obtaining a visa grant seems great at the time but it's a drop in the ocean compared to everything else you need to deal with. The first time you move it seems like an adventure, but the novelty quickly wears off when repeated.

I'm about to get shot down in flames by all the animal lovers for saying this, but I really don't understand why people spend thousands shipping their pets over here, or back. I appreciate they are part of the family - we were always a cat family until I married someone with a cat allergy - but unless you have a parrot or turtle, they have a relatively short expiry date. Isn't it more humane to rehouse them with family or friends rather than subject them to a difficult journey to the other side of the world?

I'm surprised there isn't an AUS-UK pet-swap operation, where those emigrating in opposite directions can swap their pets so they don't don't need to go through the ordeal, and their owners don't need to bear the expense. People get very attached to our pets and can't imagine life without them, but when they pass they are often replaced after a respectable period of grieving (2-3 weeks) with another one, whom they feel equally attached to a month or so later.

Edited August 4, 2023 by InnerVoice

[Raplin45]

25 minutes ago, InnerVoice said:

Obtaining a visa grant seems great at the time but it's a drop in the ocean compared to everything else you need to deal with. The first time you move it seems like an adventure, but the novelty quickly wears off when repeated.

I'm about to get shot down in flames by all the animal lovers for saying this, but I really don't understand why people spend thousands shipping their pets over here, or back. I appreciate they are part of the family - we were always a cat family until I married someone with a cat allergy - but unless you have a parrot or turtle, they have a relatively short expiry date. Isn't it more humane to rehouse them with family or friends rather than subject them to a difficult journey to the other side of the world?

I'm surprised there isn't an AUS-UK pet-swap operation, where those emigrating in opposite directions can swap their pets so they don't don't need to go through the ordeal, and their owners don't need to bear the expense. People get very attached to our pets and can't imagine life without them, but when they pass they are often replaced after a respectable period of grieving (2-3 weeks) with another one, whom they feel equally attached to a month or so later.

I think the money side of pet transport is by the by...if you can afford to do it then it's your call what you spend money on. People spend money on golf and I couldn't imagine anything more unfulfilling...but horses for courses isn't it.

In terms of rehoming, if you haven't got friends/family that you can rehome them with (as is the case with me), knowing that they will live a happy and comfortable life then I'd rather them have a crappy month of flying/quarantine and a great rest of life than rehome them with someone who might treat them poorly for the duration, again, circumstances play a massive part.

This is me trying to be objective about it of course, I love my cats, and absolutely wouldn't just swap a cat for a cat on the other side like they're a kitchen table 

[Cheery Thistle]

51 minutes ago, InnerVoice said:

Obtaining a visa grant seems great at the time but it's a drop in the ocean compared to everything else you need to deal with. The first time you move it seems like an adventure, but the novelty quickly wears off when repeated.

I'm about to get shot down in flames by all the animal lovers for saying this, but I really don't understand why people spend thousands shipping their pets over here, or back. I appreciate they are part of the family - we were always a cat family until I married someone with a cat allergy - but unless you have a parrot or turtle, they have a relatively short expiry date. Isn't it more humane to rehouse them with family or friends rather than subject them to a difficult journey to the other side of the world?

I'm surprised there isn't an AUS-UK pet-swap operation, where those emigrating in opposite directions can swap their pets so they don't don't need to go through the ordeal, and their owners don't need to bear the expense. People get very attached to our pets and can't imagine life without them, but when they pass they are often replaced after a respectable period of grieving (2-3 weeks) with another one, whom they feel equally attached to a month or so later.

Haha we’ll be taking the dogs. They are relatively young and we got them for life, not until we decided to move countries. The retriever in particular was such a companion to our daughter during lockdown (not something I think most Aussies can fully understand due to the different circumstances) when she was home schooled alone for 2 years and completely isolated from other children (she is an only child in the house - older step brothers don’t live with us). I don’t think my daughter would ever forgive me for not bringing them either. We are already pulling her away from all that’s familiar, the least we can do is bring her pets. It’s never even been up for discussion - they are coming. 

[Cheery Thistle]

By the way, the cost is eye watering!! 

[MrsPOB]

15 minutes ago, Raplin45 said:

I think the money side of pet transport is by the by...if you can afford to do it then it's your call what you spend money on. People spend money on golf and I couldn't imagine anything more unfulfilling...but horses for courses isn't it.

In terms of rehoming, if you haven't got friends/family that you can rehome them with (as is the case with me), knowing that they will live a happy and comfortable life then I'd rather them have a crappy month of flying/quarantine and a great rest of life than rehome them with someone who might treat them poorly for the duration, again, circumstances play a massive part.

This is me trying to be objective about it of course, I love my cats, and absolutely wouldn't just swap a cat for a cat on the other side like they're a kitchen table 

I completely agree @Raplin45. Our beautiful boy was with us for 14 precious years, and we lost him just a few months ago (Feb), and we still catch ourselves having those weak moments. He went through two passports and never had a problem with travelling. Even the last time we came to Australia (six years back), he was stuck in "jail," and the husband made it a point of visiting him nearly every day (2-3hrs on public transport to visit him), whenever visiting hours permitted. He was with us through thick and thin, and we were with him.. the same. People did question us why, and we would say because we love him, and he loves us... he got the experience of running in the mountains of California, the tundra of Canada, the farmlands of England and the outback of Australia. Not to mention all the places in between. He hasn't been "replaced" and more than likely never will... he was one of a kind.

[MrsPOB]

11 hours ago, Parley said:

So after being granted a visa to bring your special talents to Australia after only 8 or 9 months you want out and are going back to Europe.

Seems very wrong.

Part of the responsibility of taking the visa is making sure that you pass along your knowledge, experience and skill to an Australian Citizen. The point is that you make yourself "unnecessary" in order for an Australian to step into your role. So you come in with the knowledge that you will be replaced and that you will "no longer" be necessary... if you do your job right. And my goal is to do my job right...just today, I was told that I "fought too hard" to make sure my skill was passed along. My response... Sorry, I want to make sure there are more women in my field. I don't apologise for that.

[InnerVoice]

23 minutes ago, Cheery Thistle said:

By the way, the cost is eye watering!! 

But if it makes everyone happy then it's money well spent - each to their own.

...and would seem to make more sense than a Buckfast fountain!

[FirstWorldProblems]

1 hour ago, MrsPOB said:

Part of the responsibility of taking the visa is making sure that you pass along your knowledge, experience and skill to an Australian Citizen. The point is that you make yourself "unnecessary" in order for an Australian to step into your role. So you come in with the knowledge that you will be replaced and that you will "no longer" be necessary... if you do your job right. And my goal is to do my job right...just today, I was told that I "fought too hard" to make sure my skill was passed along. My response... Sorry, I want to make sure there are more women in my field. I don't apologise for that.

I think this sounds great!  I've long held a romantic notion of being able to do interim work that enabled me to go back and forth between both countries, but didn't really think it would be viable - you seem to have made it work.

[Marisawright]

5 hours ago, Cheery Thistle said:

I have only moved house once in the past 20 years 

How's the decluttering going?    Are you bringing a container or leaving it all behind?

Edited August 4, 2023 by Marisawright

[Cheery Thistle]

1 hour ago, Marisawright said:

How's the decluttering going?    Are you bringing a container or leaving it all behind?

Really not sure about the container. We moved house last June and got rid of so.much.stuff!! So hopefully won’t need to do too big a job of clearing out. Thinking of bringing 2 beds as they are basically brand new and I really like my mattress. They were quite expensive also.  I’m aware that beds are a different size. Apart from that most of the furniture isn’t owe us anything. I have a lovely Italian leather suite but it’s quite old now and not sure how it will ‘go’ in a new house. Will be sending over most of my clothes and handbags (I have a few haha!), as well as personal things like photos and sentimental things like Christmas and Halloween decorations, cool books etc. So a move cube or 2 at least. 
 

Moving last year after being in our old house for 18 years taught us that we’re not actually that attached to ‘stuff’. I do like nice things but I can definitely live without them! 

[Cheery Thistle]

4 hours ago, InnerVoice said:

But if it makes everyone happy then it's money well spent - each to their own.

...and would seem to make more sense than a Buckfast fountain!

Well exactly, as long as they both make it in one piece. The dachshund will be absolutely fine, she is a tough wee character (a bit like myself).  The goldie is a bit more anxious so not sure how that will go, she’s my concern. 

[MrsPOB]

6 hours ago, Cheery Thistle said:

Well exactly, as long as they both make it in one piece. The dachshund will be absolutely fine, she is a tough wee character (a bit like myself).  The goldie is a bit more anxious so not sure how that will go, she’s my concern. 

What service are you using for the doggies? We've used PetAir each time, and like you, we had one easy flyer and one anxious. Fraggle our boy, no problem ever. Our girl, Doozy, is an anxious flyer. We always get the service that sprays the crate with calming pheromones, which is really helpful. We also requested that the crates be placed together (next to each other) so that they can see and smell each other. This also goes for quarantine. 

We are a little worried about our next trip, as it will be the first time Doozy has ever flown without her brother. She was a bit lost the first two months he was gone and was always looking for him. She's only now using all of the dog bed. She still doesn't sit on his side of the sofa, eat from his side of the bowl or wait on his side of the door. The other day I was grooming her, and when I pulled out the brush, I realised I had left hair in the brush from the last grooming. It was Fraggle's; after a bit of a cry, I realised that Doozy was smelling and licking the hair. Her tail was wagging, and she looked up at me as if to say, I smell him! I smell him! Where is he? Even now, the tears are flowing. 

[Marisawright]

7 hours ago, Cheery Thistle said:

Really not sure about the container. We moved house last June and got rid of so.much.stuff!! So hopefully won’t need to do too big a job of clearing out. Thinking of bringing 2 beds as they are basically brand new and I really like my mattress. They were quite expensive also.  I’m aware that beds are a different size. Apart from that most of the furniture isn’t owe us anything. I have a lovely Italian leather suite but it’s quite old now and not sure how it will ‘go’ in a new house.

If you're taking those big items, then that's one decision you don't have to make -- they won't fit in a Movecube, so  a shared container is your only choice. 

Even so, I think you're probably right to consider bringing the beds and the suite. People used to say it's not worth shipping furniture because it's going to take six to eight weeks to arrive.  The thing is, most furniture retailers in Australia don't keep stock any more.  They have display stock, and then they order the furniture (usually from China) when you place the order.  Lo and behold, that's going to take six to eight weeks. So you'll actually be waiting longer for your new furniture (because you have to trek round the shops to find it first), than if you'd shipped your own.

  I'd suggest doing a trial shop on some Australian retailer websites, to see what it would cost you to replace them -- and whether you can even find an equivalent, because the range is more limited here.  I can't remember which state you're heading to, if you remind us we can tell you which retailers to look at.

[Nemesis]

9 hours ago, Cheery Thistle said:

Really not sure about the container. We moved house last June and got rid of so.much.stuff!! So hopefully won’t need to do too big a job of clearing out. Thinking of bringing 2 beds as they are basically brand new and I really like my mattress. They were quite expensive also.  I’m aware that beds are a different size. Apart from that most of the furniture isn’t owe us anything. I have a lovely Italian leather suite but it’s quite old now and not sure how it will ‘go’ in a new house. Will be sending over most of my clothes and handbags (I have a few haha!), as well as personal things like photos and sentimental things like Christmas and Halloween decorations, cool books etc. So a move cube or 2 at least. 
 

Moving last year after being in our old house for 18 years taught us that we’re not actually that attached to ‘stuff’. I do like nice things but I can definitely live without them! 

Red flag with Customs on the Christmas decorations - anything resembling a pine cone will instantly get you a bill for fumigation/destruction and any similar decorations involving possible plant matter will increase the bill - they charge per item. 
i had one box inspected at random and they insisted I paid for destruction of a hat which they said had berries on it. They were actually plastic, but still cost me around $200 for destruction.

[ramot]

1 hour ago, Nemesis said:

Red flag with Customs on the Christmas decorations - anything resembling a pine cone will instantly get you a bill for fumigation/destruction and any similar decorations involving possible plant matter will increase the bill - they charge per item. 
i had one box inspected at random and they insisted I paid for destruction of a hat which they said had berries on it. They were actually plastic, but still cost me around $200 for destruction.

We had all our Christmas decorations binned by customs, when we arrived, they didn’t like something so didn’t  take any chances, 

[Jon the Hat]

5 hours ago, Marisawright said:

If you're taking those big items, then that's one decision you don't have to make -- they won't fit in a Movecube, so  a shared container is your only choice. 

Even so, I think you're probably right to consider bringing the beds and the suite. People used to say it's not worth shipping furniture because it's going to take six to eight weeks to arrive.  The thing is, most furniture retailers in Australia don't keep stock any more.  They have display stock, and then they order the furniture (usually from China) when you place the order.  Lo and behold, that's going to take six to eight weeks. So you'll actually be waiting longer for your new furniture (because you have to trek round the shops to find it first), than if you'd shipped your own.

  I'd suggest doing a trial shop on some Australian retailer websites, to see what it would cost you to replace them -- and whether you can even find an equivalent, because the range is more limited here.  I can't remember which state you're heading to, if you remind us we can tell you which retailers to look at.

I can tell you from recent experience that the first $25k of buying stuff can happen very very quickly.  And we brought a full container load as well.

[Cheery Thistle]

10 hours ago, Nemesis said:

Red flag with Customs on the Christmas decorations - anything resembling a pine cone will instantly get you a bill for fumigation/destruction and any similar decorations involving possible plant matter will increase the bill - they charge per item. 
i had one box inspected at random and they insisted I paid for destruction of a hat which they said had berries on it. They were actually plastic, but still cost me around $200 for destruction.

Those plastic pine cones are a pure hazard!! Haha! Will maybe leave the tree then - bringing my baubles and tinsel though! 

[Cheery Thistle]

10 hours ago, Marisawright said:

If you're taking those big items, then that's one decision you don't have to make -- they won't fit in a Movecube, so  a shared container is your only choice. 

Even so, I think you're probably right to consider bringing the beds and the suite. People used to say it's not worth shipping furniture because it's going to take six to eight weeks to arrive.  The thing is, most furniture retailers in Australia don't keep stock any more.  They have display stock, and then they order the furniture (usually from China) when you place the order.  Lo and behold, that's going to take six to eight weeks. So you'll actually be waiting longer for your new furniture (because you have to trek round the shops to find it first), than if you'd shipped your own.

  I'd suggest doing a trial shop on some Australian retailer websites, to see what it would cost you to replace them -- and whether you can even find an equivalent, because the range is more limited here.  I can't remember which state you're heading to, if you remind us we can tell you which retailers to look at.

Think we will take the beds, mattresses and suite then. The suite was about £4.5k but over 10 years ago. It’s Natuzzi Italian leather and a classy bit of furniture which now has a few miles on the clock lol. So it is probably worth taking. It’s always good to have something to start you off as well I think - replacing everything all at once gets really expensive really fast. Haven’t got to looking at the shipping yet - we are still over a year away from moving and there are other things in front of it in the to-do queue.