simmo Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, newjez said: What part of 'let's fund instead' don't you understand? And that is completely ignoring the made up figure. I understand perfectly "lets fund instead" and what about that offends you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 2 hours ago, simmo said: I understand perfectly "lets fund instead" and what about that offends you? It doesn't offend me. It's just not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, newjez said: It doesn't offend me. It's just not true. how can suggesting the money we send the EU might be better going towards the NHS be not true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 15 hours ago, newjez said: Care to name these countries? Or provide a link? http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/mythandparadox.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 5 hours ago, simmo said: how can suggesting the money we send the EU might be better going towards the NHS be not true? Ah, I see now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, newjez said: Ah, I see now. at last!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said: http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/mythandparadox.pdf Rather than my primitive attempts at criticism, probably better if you read Dr Richard North's summary. Possibly you could have given page numbers rather than just link in a 200 page document and asking me to go fetch? http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85905 Edited May 7, 2017 by newjez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, simmo said: at last!!! I didn't say what I see; but it has become clear. Let's leave it at that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 Ok, here it is from the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39356664 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 I also refer you to the very interesting article in the Sunday times with an interview with Dyson. Where he points out that all of his products are subject to WTO tarrifs as although designed in the UK are manufactured in Malaysia. Which has no trade agreement with the EU. So, according to the doom mongers should be falling on its backside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said: Ok, here it is from the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39356664 But that does nothing to support your argument. I suggest you read Dr Norths criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said: I also refer you to the very interesting article in the Sunday times with an interview with Dyson. Where he points out that all of his products are subject to WTO tarrifs as although designed in the UK are manufactured in Malaysia. Which has no trade agreement with the EU. So, according to the doom mongers should be falling on its backside. You think the UK is comparable to Malaysia? Maybe you should ask Mr dyson why he is manufacturing in Malaysia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Apparently the chances of labour winning have just increased dramatically. They have volunteered Diane Abbott as a vote counter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toots Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 8 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said: I also refer you to the very interesting article in the Sunday times with an interview with Dyson. Where he points out that all of his products are subject to WTO tarrifs as although designed in the UK are manufactured in Malaysia. Which has no trade agreement with the EU. So, according to the doom mongers should be falling on its backside. A Dyson hairdryer costs over 200 quid. WTF. I'm still using my Breville I bought 10 years ago for $25 and when it eventually carks it I doubt if I'd invest in a Dyson hairdryer unless the price drops drastically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 14 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said: I also refer you to the very interesting article in the Sunday times with an interview with Dyson. Where he points out that all of his products are subject to WTO tarrifs as although designed in the UK are manufactured in Malaysia. Which has no trade agreement with the EU. So, according to the doom mongers should be falling on its backside. How much do you reckon it costs Dyson to manufacture in a 3rd world country, a fifth?! of what it would in Europe, of course he can afford tariffs and still make a giant profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Remoner delusions exposed Quote 1. There is still not much Bregret 2. A large majority of people want Brexit to go ahead 3. People are confident in May’s ability to deliver, but think the government isn’t moving fast enough 4. The public would like to have their cake and eat it – immigration control AND free trade 5. May’s vision of Brexit seems to have correctly gauged the point of maximum public support... 6. There is not presently much demand for any sort of second vote or second referendum 7. People agree no deal is better than a bad deal https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/ Edited May 9, 2017 by amibovered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, amibovered said: Remoner delusions exposed https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/ What delusions are you referring to? Few seem to have changed their view since the referendum one way or the other which is hardly surprising as nothing more is known about the outcome now than it was then and Brexit will not happen until 2019. Most agree that the referendum should be respected and Brexit should go ahead. Hardly surprising. The UK has metaphorically made its bed and now will have to lie in it. A large proportion seem to be optimistic that Britain will retain the bits it likes and jettison the bits it doesn't so little wonder that they are still in favour of the enterprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said: What delusions are you referring to? Few seem to have changed their view since the referendum one way or the other which is hardly surprising as nothing more is known about the outcome now than it was then and Brexit will not happen until 2019. Most agree that the referendum should be respected and Brexit should go ahead. Hardly surprising. The UK has metaphorically made its bed and now will have to lie in it. A large proportion seem to be optimistic that Britain will retain the bits it likes and jettison the bits it doesn't so little wonder that they are still in favour of the enterprise. Why wouldn't you be optimistic, or at least open minded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, amibovered said: Remoner delusions exposed https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/attitudes-brexit-everything-we-know-so-far/ Yes, but the nugget of real info in that survey was the high percentage who still believe we can be part of the EU and stop immigration despite the EU saying loudly and plainly that is not going to happen, and when push comes to shove a majority of those then say trade is more important, I believe, so there is going to be a lot of disappointed people in 2019 when the realities start to hit home. There are either a lot of people in complete denial or are in complete thrall to the nationalist Right. We have voted to leave, the EU owes us nothing and they cannot believe we have been led into it by fools like Cameron, Gove and Johnson. Edited May 9, 2017 by BacktoDemocracy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 After the dust settles https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/09/how-a-new-party-could-rise-from-the-ashes-of-the-labour-party-and-become-the-main-opposition/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, newjez said: After the dust settles https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/09/how-a-new-party-could-rise-from-the-ashes-of-the-labour-party-and-become-the-main-opposition/ I really don't see what the future is for the UK with first past the post elections, we are not set up for coalitions between smaller parties so it's going to be 20 years of Tory rule before the demand for PR resurfaces after all the smaller parties realise being little discrete islands is getting them nowhere, perhaps, maybe!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said: I really don't see what the future is for the UK with first past the post elections, we are not set up for coalitions between smaller parties so it's going to be 20 years of Tory rule before the demand for PR resurfaces after all the smaller parties realise being little discrete islands is getting them nowhere, perhaps, maybe!!? Or the little parties should merge. It should be a two party system like the states. With the recent mayor elections, I listened to one journalist trying to explain the preferential voting system. He made out like it was the most complicated thing in the world. If people are really that stupid, and they must be because they voted against it in the lib Dems referendum, then they deserve the Tories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Quote The chief executive of Barclays has said he sees no reason to shift British jobs to Europe as a result of Brexit and described the restructuring required as straightforward compared with other challenges faced by the bank. Jes Staley said Brexit would be “a wholly manageable challenge” and “significantly less costly” than other problems the bank has encountered. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/10/barclays-ceo-jes-staley-no-reason-brexit-jobs-shift-europe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collie Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 At the same time, Barclays are actively looking for significantly increased office space in Dublin. Wonder what they plan to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 49 minutes ago, Collie said: At the same time, Barclays are actively looking for significantly increased office space in Dublin. Wonder what they plan to do with it. I wonder, lying bastard bankers, anything to keep the Tories in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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