Skyba Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 People don't like cuts. They forget why the cuts are being made. The reality is that the country had a choice. Go broke or cut as the last gorerment blew it. It's not a surprise, I am neither Tory or labour or any other. But any good look through the economics showed that the current government had little choice but to make swinging cuts and they will have to be a lot bigger yet. Its not the cuts that are the problem it's how deep and fast they are which is causing problems and is simply idiotic, also the lack of investment to get the economy moving. They have failed miserably, there are more problems Altman just cuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 What is the matter with you? Why when having a debate do you have to start insulting people and then call those posts that dont agree with you "ridiculous". It's all about the debate and their comments are worth just as much as yours. And re your comment i was also under the impression that labour were meant to be "the working mans party", it would seem a bit strange if their mps were only out to make as much money as possible ( like Blair ) while their people suffered. If you think saying that a comment is ridiculous is a personal insult I think you're a tax too touchy Also who suffered under blair?? The rich got richer the poor who wanted to proper did and the poor who didn't have the skills to proper were looked after. The sick we're looked after and not ridiculed for having an illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Also, why claim skinner is only in it for the money anyway?? You don't know this!! He could have stayed because he like see that politics was being over-run by public school boys and felt he could help make a difference. Not everyone's decisions are totally driven by money but at the same time what's wrong with wanting money? we all need it and if nobody suffers as a result of getting it whats the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Also, why claim skinner is only in it for the money anyway?? You don't know this!! He could have stayed because he like see that politics was being over-run by public school boys and felt he could help make a difference. Not everyone's decisions are totally driven by money but at the same time what's wrong with wanting money? we all need it and if nobody suffers as a result of getting it whats the problem Ah Dennis Skinner, the Beast of Bolsover. He was a nice bloke in real life, used to see him in the pub in Clay Cross quite a bit and had a few chats to him. Old fashioned Labour through and through. Would have been the last person to be in it for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Its not the cuts that are the problem it's how deep and fast they are which is causing problems and is simply idiotic, also the lack of investment to get the economy moving. They have failed miserably, there are more problems Altman just cuts Actually, no, the cuts are not anything as deep as they need to be. What ever government comes in next is going to be faced with having to make much much deeper cuts. - I suspect it will be a choice of the end of the welfare state entirely or the NHS. The money simply isn't there. That is disgraceful given that labour should have had a massive surplus. But it is a sad fact. As for investment - with what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthbum Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Actually, no, the cuts are not anything as deep as they need to be. What ever government comes in next is going to be faced with having to make much much deeper cuts. - I suspect it will be a choice of the end of the welfare state entirely or the NHS. The money simply isn't there. That is disgraceful given that labour should have had a massive surplus. But it is a sad fact. As for investment - with what. Cuts don't work but only push up unemployment, investment in roads building infrastructure is the only way to get the country moving, that's not me saying it but the vast majority of financial experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Cuts don't work but only push up unemployment, investment in roads building infrastructure is the only way to get the country moving, that's not me saying it but the vast majority of financial experts. There is no choice. The money isn't there and borrowing more is not an option as the is no realistic likelihood of paying it back. The country can not pay for what it doesn't have the ability to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sproggo Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 This Tory gov has money to award itself and extra £100 a week for each MP to assist with the cost of their 2nd homes, as well as 180m to D R Congo (as announced yesterday) and invest millions in sport. No it isn't a question of cuts needed - if it were it should be the greedy bankers who should have pay cuts and start making the big companies pay full tax. No this is nothing but the standard Tory Victorian ideas of social cleansing. Greedy rich kicking the poor out onto the street to beg for scraps. Bullingdon boys haven't got a clue to start with and Tory governments are a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 The difference is from the point of view of someone with no political allegiance as far as jokes go the Tories are a snigger, whereas Labour are a real belly laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sproggo Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I would never call the Tory gov a snigger, they have 11,000 deaths chalked up to them and many more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 What an odd totally ambiguous comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sproggo Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I will not be drawn in by your style of debate. I am not one eyed who think a party is good just because the other party is unliked. You have a tendency to try and manipulate posters - well not this one. I have better things to do today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I will not be drawn in by your style of debate. I am not one eyed who think a party is good just because the other party is unliked. You have a tendency to try and manipulate posters - well not this one. I have better things to do today. Well at least my stalker liked your post So you make a totally ambiguous post and make no effort to explain what it meant ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Well at least my stalker liked your post So you make a totally ambiguous post and make no effort to explain what it meant ? Withdraw that please...............you have no more of my attention than anyone else on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noworriesmate Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Guys, we've allowed this thread to flow over past few days as on the whole you've been playing nice while still having a rigorous debate and we've had very little in the way of reports. Please don't let it descend now into a bitchfest - I really don't want to be the mod to go over more than 600 posts and tidy it up. Personally I think this thread has been brilliant and would hate to have to start intervening. Thanks guys NWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Guys, we've allowed this thread to flow over past few days as on the whole you've been playing nice while still having a rigorous debate and we've had very little in the way of reports. Please don't let it descend now into a bitchfest - I really don't want to be the mod to go over more than 600 posts and tidy it up. Personally I think this thread has been brilliant and would hate to have to start intervening. Thanks guys NWM Please note that I haven't entered the debate but apparrently, giving a like to someone who disagrees with chris constitutes stalking :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieF8 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 This Tory gov has money to award itself and extra £100 a week for each MP to assist with the cost of their 2nd homes, as well as 180m to D R Congo (as announced yesterday) and invest millions in sport. No it isn't a question of cuts needed - if it were it should be the greedy bankers who should have pay cuts and start making the big companies pay full tax. No this is nothing but the standard Tory Victorian ideas of social cleansing. Greedy rich kicking the poor out onto the street to beg for scraps. Bullingdon boys haven't got a clue to start with and Tory governments are a joke. That’s a fascinating theory….but totally false. The increase was awarded by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) who took control of MP salaries last year. So it wasn’t the Tory Party rewarding itself at all. and FYI, all MP's got it, so how many Labour politicians turned it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sproggo Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Read what I said. I was discussing the Tory party only, in relation to the fact the TORY party are the ones who are putting people on the street. Wealthy as you may be does not make it right! FYI I was totally correct in what I said. I bow out of this debate I am sick of the wealthy Tory followers enjoying the poor being kicked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Those tiresome facts again. That’s a fascinating theory….but totally false. The increase was awarded by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) who took control of MP salaries last year. So it wasn’t the Tory Party rewarding itself at all. and FYI, all MP's got it, so how many Labour politicians turned it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieF8 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Those tiresome facts again. I know, if it wasn't for being able to disprove wild accusations, there really wouldn’t be much use for facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 That’s a fascinating theory….but totally false. The increase was awarded by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) who took control of MP salaries last year. So it wasn’t the Tory Party rewarding itself at all. and FYI, all MP's got it, so how many Labour politicians turned it down? The Labour politicians love money, privilege, and all the trappings of power as much as their Tory counterparts. Refresh my memory of the scandal about MP's rorting their expenses. Was it just Tories or did they all have their snouts in the trough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 There is no choice. The money isn't there and borrowing more is not an option as the is no realistic likelihood of paying it back. The country can not pay for what it doesn't have the ability to pay. Ao they never paid back the debt from WW2 then no!? The only reason we don't have the ability of pay back at the minute is because of the lack of investment in getting growth. Also get rid if the NHS or welfare lol, you really are a Tory!!! This won't happen because this would only happen under the Tories and they will be out next time and will stay out for another 20 years while the problem is solved by people who aren't so stubborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 This Tory gov has money to award itself and extra £100 a week for each MP to assist with the cost of their 2nd homes, as well as 180m to D R Congo (as announced yesterday) and invest millions in sport. No it isn't a question of cuts needed - if it were it should be the greedy bankers who should have pay cuts and start making the big companies pay full tax. No this is nothing but the standard Tory Victorian ideas of social cleansing. Greedy rich kicking the poor out onto the street to beg for scraps. Bullingdon boys haven't got a clue to start with and Tory governments are a joke. If I could like this comment a thousand times I would!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 The Labour politicians love money, privilege, and all the trappings of power as much as their Tory counterparts. Refresh my memory of the scandal about MP's rorting their expenses. Was it just Tories or did they all have their snouts in the trough? Again with comments about money!!! you still don't get it do you?? The difference between the parties is not how rich or poor the people on them are it's about how their policies effect the everyday people!!!! All most of the Tory supporters on here talk about is numbers and they have no real concept of cause and effect!! Also why do the Tory supporters think that what they say as fact is the real truth lol, once agin the claims if Tory voters who THINK they are of a superior intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Again with comments about money!!! you still don't get it do you?? The difference between the parties is not how rich or poor the people on them are it's about how their policies effect the everyday people!!!! All most of the Tory supporters on here talk about is numbers and they have no real concept of cause and effect!! Also why do the Tory supporters think that what they say as fact is the real truth lol, once agin the claims if Tory voters who THINK they are of a superior intellect. Show me the statistics that prove that when Labour was in power, everything was wonderful for the 'working man', whilst when the Tories were governing, Britain went down the tube. The Tories don't usually spend 20 years out of office and it's usually the reverse, i.e. after a few years of Labour in power the people have had enough, eg. Labour in power 1945-51, Tories governing for the next 13 years, Labour in power, 1974-1979, Tories governing for the next 17 years. I'm sick of socialist millionaires and their hypocrisy - pretending to support a football club, or watch Match of the Day, to emphasise their working class roots. but then sending their kids to private schools, and using private hospitals, whilst condemning Tories for their elitism. The problem for Labour, and it's exactly the same in Australia, is that the so called 'working man (and woman) no longer exists in the same numbers. They don't want to join unions and they aspire to middle class values like buying their own homes. I'll give credit to Tony Blair for getting rid of most of the pseudo communists and making Labour appeal to the middle ground, even if he did make a fortune for himself in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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