Suspension of General Skilled Migration

[chrisandelaine]

hi Alan, George, and Gill.

 

we are about to try and complete the onlijne visa app, now that the whole new list has been done and dusted, my wife is a Nurse so it will not really change anything for us, but when we were going through the visa it had a part looking for the number for a number from wht i rem, for to show that the ANMC has passed my wife as being able to work in OZ. we have sent all paperwork of the the ANMC already.

 

BUT do we have to wait until we get this number to complete the online visa or can you go ahead and finish it without this number etc. i have seen ppl in the past on here say they just done the online visa and not completed it, just to get it started and have a case officer alocated etc. is this right or NOT.

 

Sorry Alan Corbett, we were going to use Go Matlida, but decided not to as we couldnt afford the cost. but if we ahd decided to use an agent it def would have been your company.

 

thanks all

 

chris and Elaine.

[Alan Collett]

hi Alan, George, and Gill.

 

we are about to try and complete the onlijne visa app, now that the whole new list has been done and dusted, my wife is a Nurse so it will not really change anything for us, but when we were going through the visa it had a part looking for the number for a number from wht i rem, for to show that the ANMC has passed my wife as being able to work in OZ. we have sent all paperwork of the the ANMC already.

 

BUT do we have to wait until we get this number to complete the online visa or can you go ahead and finish it without this number etc. i have seen ppl in the past on here say they just done the online visa and not completed it, just to get it started and have a case officer alocated etc. is this right or NOT.

 

Sorry Alan Corbett, we were going to use Go Matlida, but decided not to as we couldnt afford the cost. but if we ahd decided to use an agent it def would have been your company.

 

thanks all

 

chris and Elaine.

 

You cannot lodge an offshore skilled visa application:

 

- until you have a positive skills assessment classification, and

 

- while there is a temporary suspension of the offshore GSM application process

 

Best regards.

[Guest ChittyChargo]

Sorry Alan Corbett

 

You cannot lodge an offshore skilled visa application:

 

- until you have a positive skills assessment classification, and

 

- while there is a temporary suspension of the offshore GSM application process

 

Best regards.

 

 

Would Alan be Ronnies brother:smile:

[Alan Collett]

And it's goodnight from him ...

[virtual_bajwa]

Hi George. Looks like Marketing Specialist and Public Relations are off too. I would have thought DIAC could do with all the best PR people they could find after the last 18 months :biglaugh:

Cheers, Kazza

Yes matey unfortunately Public Relation Officers are also off the hook. I do not know whether this is a bad news or a good news for me. As I am waiting for the CAP and CEASE to be implemented sooner or later. But bad news is that I am a Public Relations officer. Anybody please comment on CAP and CEASE. May be next turn is of CAP and CEASE to occupy front page of DIAC website.

[chrisandelaine]

And it's goodnight from him ...

 

 

appoligies for the name spelt wrong, thats what i get for not checking back lol

 

chris

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi George. Looks like Marketing Specialist and Public Relations are off too. I would have thought DIAC could do with all the best PR people they could find after the last 18 months :biglaugh:

Cheers, Kazza

 

Hi Kazza

 

Policy & Planning Managers are not on the new list either. Which is bleedin' ironic if you ask me. I've been in touch with a P&P Manager over the weekend.

 

The lady is being sponsored by SA but there is usually a fair amount of overlap between the occupations that SA want and the ones that the ACT want, so I looked at the ACT website.

 

Sure enough. The ACT want Policy & Planning Managers with "Senior Government experience," so it says. The occupation is marked as "Open" so there has plainly been a shortage of would-be visa applicants with this particular skill. According to Skills Australia, Australia is allegedly crawling with Aussies who have the skills-set needed for this particular job.

 

Could it be that the Aussies with ability refuse to work for the Federal Government?

 

DIAC is definitely in need of a few competent Policy & Planning Managers, for a start. In the kerfuffle of 7th May, they said that visa applications could be lodged on line right up until midnight AEST. Their IT people then took the on-line system off-line for "planned system maintenance" sharp at 23:30 AEST.

 

Only a cretin would have allowed such a cock-up to happen and a decent Policy & Planning Manager would have thought to tell the IT people to do their planned maintenance some other time.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Yes matey unfortunately Public Relation Officers are also off the hook. I do not know whether this is a bad news or a good news for me. As I am waiting for the CAP and CEASE to be implemented sooner or later. But bad news is that I am a Public Relations officer. Anybody please comment on CAP and CEASE. May be next turn is of CAP and CEASE to occupy front page of DIAC website.

 

Hi VB

 

The Minister has had long ebough to start his Cap & Cease thing. On 4th March 2010, the DIAC delegates at the MIA roadshow said that Cap & Cease would start the following week. That was 2.5 months ago and nothing has happened.

 

I wonder whether the Minister has bottled out of the idea?

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[virtual_bajwa]

Hi VB

 

The Minister has had long ebough to start his Cap & Cease thing. On 4th March 2010, the DIAC delegates at the MIA roadshow said that Cap & Cease would start the following week. That was 2.5 months ago and nothing has happened.

 

I wonder whether the Minister has bottled out of the idea?

 

Cheers

 

Gill

Yes, Gilly I agree with u. But dear something has to come from DIAC on CAP and CEASE later this week,otherwise it is hurting now.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Yes, Gilly I agree with u. But dear something has to come from DIAC on CAP and CEASE later this week,otherwise it is hurting now.

 

Hi VB

 

I appreciate what you are saying but Tony Coates reckons that the Minister does not have the legal power to cap & cease applications for sc 496 visas. To get the mecessary power, he must get consent from the Governor General and I don't know whether that means that the Minister's ideas must (finally) be discussed with Parliament first?

 

If Cap & cease does have to be discussed with Parliament first, you can bet your bottom dollar that the family sponsors of the sc 496 applicants have been complaining bitterly to their own Federal MPs, in which case there might be more hostility to the plan than the Minister imagines.

 

Either your brother or your migration agent might know whether the Minister needs Parliament's approval for his plans with the sc 496 applicants. If they know the answer, I would be very interested to hear what they say, please.

 

Hugs :hug:

 

Gill

[Guest michael.rankin12@bt]

i have looked at the proposed new sol. how can i find out the occupation description of a "technical cable jointer" it is next to electrical linesworker. it seems they have changed the job title of cable jointer etc as well as the asco code now (anzsco)!

[Guest karen190572]

Has anyone got any ideas on when the states will start sponsoring again ........ Any news at all

[Guest Gollywobbler]

i have looked at the proposed new sol. how can i find out the occupation description of a "technical cable jointer" it is next to electrical linesworker. it seems they have changed the job title of cable jointer etc as well as the asco code now (anzsco)!

 

Hi Michael

 

For the details of the occupation, the process is tortuous but I think we more or less get there in the end (plus this is less than 24 hours after people in the UK first became aware of the new SOL.)

 

I reckon that Step 1 is to consult the new SOL and write the Code Number on a sheet of paper. The new SOL is here:

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/new-list-of-occupations.pdf

 

For Step 2, please consult ANZSCO, which is here:

 

1220.0 - ANZSCO - Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations, First Edition, Revision 1=

 

Please hit the link for Major Group 3.

 

Then you follow it all through (working from the Code Number in the new SOL) until you match all the numbers together and you end up with:

 

1220.0 - ANZSCO - Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations, First Edition, Revision 1

 

Then, I reckon, you check back to the original (and now replaced) ASCO Code:

 

1220.0 - Australian Standard Classification of Occupations (ASCO) Second Edition, 1997

 

Your occupation is in Major Group 4 in ASCO and is here:

 

1220.0 - Australian Standard Classification of Occupations (ASCO) Second Edition, 1997

 

So far it looks like an excellent match but I reckon that the next step is to prove the match. I want to know whether or not I have worked it out in the same way as the bureaucrats have. (Personally I would chuck a Gummint Bureaucrat out of the nearest window- devising all this rubbish is a total waste of time and I wouldn't want to go sailing with anyone who does it. I'd be too tempted to chuck 'em overboard!)

 

I don't understand exactly how ANZSCO works but George Lombard - a very well known migration agent - told me about "concordances" the other day and sent me a link. An even worse buzz-phrase is doing the rounds at the moment - which is called "mapping across" between ASCO and ANZSCO. Cartographers draw maps but the civil service have become frightfully keep on something called "road maps" and "process mapping." God knows what it all means. Nobody would buy a novel written in such dreadful jargon.)

 

Anyhow, I found George's original link in ANZSCO:

 

1220.0 - ANZSCO - Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations, First Edition, Revision 1

 

Being nosy, I've been clicking on the links in it.

 

The first one is called Summary Correspondence or something similar and is here:

 

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/3B0E8926FF780236CA2575DF001C70F2/$File/12200%20anzsco%20first%20edition%20revision%201%20to%20asco%20second%20edition%20to%20nzsco%201999%20summary%20correspondence%20table.xls

 

If you click on Table 1 (please see the tabs at the bottom of the page) you get this:

 

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/3B0E8926FF780236CA2575DF001C70F2/$File/12200%20anzsco%20first%20edition%20revision%201%20to%20asco%20second%20edition%20to%20nzsco%201999%20summary%20correspondence%20table.xls

 

Please go down to line 942 in the Excel table. As far as I can see, it is saying that there is a direct correspondence between a Cable Jointer and a Technical Cable Jointer, so that bit looks OK.

 

Being even nosier, I have discovered that there is a more detailed concordance or whatever it is. Clicking on another link produces this:

 

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/F30E72E1516495BDCA2575DF001C7441/$File/12200%20anzsco%20first%20edition%20revision%201%20to%20asco%20second%20edition%20correspondence%20tables.xls

 

I do not have the energy to deal with several Excel tables right now, so God knows where that second link gets us to but I assume that it "must be" relevant because it is in ANZSCO.

 

For the moment, that is the best I can do.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[kevin jc]

Wow Gill

Where do you find the time.

 

:notworthy:

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Wow Gill

Where do you find the time.

 

:notworthy:

 

Hi Kevin

 

It was quite early when I started to try to piece it together. It is now after 10pm and I reckon that the process must have taken a couple of hours.

 

BUT I AM NOT - repeat NOT - sure that I am right. I'm hoping that I will persuade brainier Poms in Oz members than me to get stuck into the whole thing and to figure out how it works. I reckon that somebody has to postulate a hypothesis and then other people have to test the hypothesis in order to work out whether it is right.

 

People are more than welcome to disagree with me because I am absolutely NOT certain that I understand how to do this. However, if we all put our heads together we will figure the blerdy thing out.

 

If that gormless mutt of a Minister can understand it then so can I, bluntly, and probably in a fraction of the time that it took him and his henchmen.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Guest michael.rankin12@bt]

thats great thanks. i did manage to find the description on the aus statistics website and did a title search. it took me a while though. thanks for your help i will have a look at those links

[rahulpatel1969]

Hi VB

 

I appreciate what you are saying but Tony Coates reckons that the Minister does not have the legal power to cap & cease applications for sc 496 visas. To get the mecessary power, he must get consent from the Governor General and I don't know whether that means that the Minister's ideas must (finally) be discussed with Parliament first?

 

If Cap & cease does have to be discussed with Parliament first, you can bet your bottom dollar that the family sponsors of the sc 496 applicants have been complaining bitterly to their own Federal MPs, in which case there might be more hostility to the plan than the Minister imagines.

 

Either your brother or your migration agent might know whether the Minister needs Parliament's approval for his plans with the sc 496 applicants. If they know the answer, I would be very interested to hear what they say, please.

 

Hugs :hug:

 

Gill

 

Gill

 

I understand what you are saying about the 496 but that is just one visa class. The monster could go ahead and start cap and cease with the rest of the visa classes. I think that monster has had a few words with those who are legally advising him and they have told him to be very cautious about this. I think the monster and DIAC are trying to work out how to proceed with this. In the meantime the waiting is getting to those who are affected.

 

Hope we get some news either way about this.

 

Regards

Rahul

[Guest steve2424]

Hi All

I realise that the general skills suspension is still in effect and will be it looks like until the end of June however with the new SOL list is out and “Yes” am on it, does any one know if I can apply to T.R.A to have my skills assessed for me to apply for the visa or should I wait until the suspension is lifted

Thanks from a hopeful family who can’t wait to start a new life in Oz

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi All

I realise that the general skills suspension is still in effect and will be it looks like until the end of June however with the new SOL list is out and “Yes” am on it, does any one know if I can apply to T.R.A to have my skills assessed for me to apply for the visa or should I wait until the suspension is lifted

Thanks from a hopeful family who can’t wait to start a new life in Oz

 

Hi Steve

 

I believe that TRA's fess are still only around $300 AUD if you have not been a Student in Australia lately.

 

What is your occupation and how old are you, please?

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[Guest steve2424]

Hi Steve

 

I believe that TRA's fess are still only around $300 AUD if you have not been a Student in Australia lately.

 

What is your occupation and how old are you, please?

 

Cheers

 

Gill

 

I am 34years of age and my occupation is digital electronic Church organ builder and I have been employed by the same comapny for the past 20years, "really need a change" my qualification’s are in electronics so I believe that TRA are the people to go through for electronic engineers/technicians, if all goes well I will apply for sponsored visa as soon as I hear back from TRA, I have family already in Perth Australia so I hope the gaining Visa will will not be a problem.

[mooney33]

Hi Steve,

Are you looking to move soon or are you happy to wait until your visa reaches the top of the list. I help people relocate to Australia, finding employers to sponsor if it is possible to find one. I have never helped anyone with your skills but I like a challenge. Best wishes

Tony Mooney (Bridges Relocation)

[Guest sidney]

does this mean if we have already submitted our application it will now be processed quicker?

[ljwalvin]

Hey everyone,

 

Just wondering, are there any rumours of any state migration plans at all? I emailed WA migration office and they said that non SOL occupations may appear on the SMP. So anyways I did a search and found some stats on pharmacy (my occupation). Apparently, the market's pretty saturated and jobs are hard to find..and the stats were done in June 2009...and if it is so, why did the govt put pharmacy on CSL in march 2010??

On the other hand, I read that WA is trying to actively up their population..ie pro-migration? but there are no jobs for pharmacists in Metro Perth-Im still a student and its stressful how 1mth before u graduate you get a heart attack from the DIAC....What do you guys think? Any chance pharmacy may be on WA's SMP?

If not, does anyone know if pharmacy is on the Regional Sponsorship migration scheme? Can you get sponsored by your employer as an intern for the 857 visa?

[Guest guest41018]

We went to a migration expo in London a couple of weeks ago. The WA state people were there, they said that everyone was surprised about Pharmacists being taken off the list. That said, they also said that it is VERY likely that it will be on the SMP list for WA and others too. As I understand it, the issue is not of an oversupply of pharmacists per se, but an oversupply in the cities and an undersupply in the rural areas. In addition, it was intimated in a coded way that there were too many pharmacists with qualifications from third world jurisdictions - I cheekily said "You mean India" - who aren't very good, whose language skills aren't up to scratch notwithstanding the qualification programme instituted by APEC. It would appear that the SMP route is likeliest so as to address the rural/regional issue more directly.

 

BTW, my wife has applied (July 2009) as a UK-trained pharmacist, even registered with the Queensland Board and still hasn't got her golden ticket yet. We assume that it has something to do with the fact that she was born in Pakistan (even though she left at the age of 5) - they are still waiting on the results of the Form 80.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hey everyone,

 

Just wondering, are there any rumours of any state migration plans at all? I emailed WA migration office and they said that non SOL occupations may appear on the SMP. So anyways I did a search and found some stats on pharmacy (my occupation). Apparently, the market's pretty saturated and jobs are hard to find..and the stats were done in June 2009...and if it is so, why did the govt put pharmacy on CSL in march 2010??

On the other hand, I read that WA is trying to actively up their population..ie pro-migration? but there are no jobs for pharmacists in Metro Perth-Im still a student and its stressful how 1mth before u graduate you get a heart attack from the DIAC....What do you guys think? Any chance pharmacy may be on WA's SMP?

If not, does anyone know if pharmacy is on the Regional Sponsorship migration scheme? Can you get sponsored by your employer as an intern for the 857 visa?

 

Hi there

 

Welcome to Poms in Oz.

 

With regard to the SMPs, the last that I heard - sometime last week - is that DIAC and the Immi departments in the various States are still squabbling about the methodology that ought to be used. Until they can sort out the basic methods, they haven't a hope of agreeing about any of the details concerning the actual occupations except for the medical occupations, I suspect.

 

With a fortnight tomorrow till 1st July 2010, they are really taking these SMPs to the wire on the timing, methinks.

 

I read that WA is trying to actively up their population..ie pro-migration?

WA, SA and the NTs all want to boost the sizes of the populations in their States. One of the Bosscats (the Minister himself, I think) has told them that they are not allowed to use the Immi program for the purposes of population-boosting, apparently. :policeman:

 

Cheers

 

Gill