The Brand New PIO Parents Visa thread

[gafuk]

I posted this link on the site yesterday but it doesn't seem to show on this thread. I don't know if anyone else has already posted it so sorry if it's duplicated. The link shows a table of times of processing for the various visas. The 143 is shown as 32-34 months. Anyway maybe it'll be of interest and help to someone.

http://www.border.gov.au/about/access-accountability/service-standards/global-visa-citizenship-processing-times

It's great to have people in the same boat and to share in your stories and advice. Thanks

[Pertenhall]

12 minutes ago, gafuk said:

I posted this link on the site yesterday but it doesn't seem to show on this thread. I don't know if anyone else has already posted it so sorry if it's duplicated. The link shows a table of times of processing for the various visas. The 143 is shown as 32-34 months. Anyway maybe it'll be of interest and help to someone.

http://www.border.gov.au/about/access-accountability/service-standards/global-visa-citizenship-processing-times

It's great to have people in the same boat and to share in your stories and advice. Thanks

It has just changed to 33-34 months, so we've slipped a month for the 75%.

[Fisher1]

7 hours ago, clarkesville1 said:

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We initially put our names on the 103 waiting list, because we weren't sure whether or not we would be able to make the move. Two years ago our daughter had a little boy, and we immediately changed to the 143 list.  It came through very quickly because they counted the time we had already been waiting, and as already stated it cost about 100,000 dollars for us both.  There is the possibility of visiting Australia and then applying for a visa from there, the info will be on the Aus gov website.

I really feel for your current situation - been there, done that.  Our daughter (only child) went for a year and didn't come back ... I have been trying to think of things to comfort you in the immediate future, and the things that helped me were :-  

1. We had a holiday booked to Australia before our daughter left the UK so we knew we were going to see her six months later.

2. We had a good email contact and texted each other all the time , at least once a day at first. (Incredibly there was no skype or facetime in 2004 when our daughter left - there was a webcam on Sydney harbour bridge at the time and I used to miss her so much that I logged on sometimes just to watch people walking about where she was!!!) 

3. Ask her to send photos and videos of the grandchildren - our daughter is very good at sending little video clips of anything new they do together, and its great to have a little surprise in the inbox.

Its not easy and it's worse for you waving off your grandchildren too. Wishing you well with it all.

[Alan Collett]

14 hours ago, Aerotony said:

Check out how to apply for an ONSHORE Aged Parents Visa Class 804, subject to satisfying the terms and conditions

http://www.huntmigration.com/aged-parents/

 

An onshore parent visa strategy is only available if the main visa applicant is "aged" (as defined).

The age at which an applicant is "aged" changes on 1 July this year.

Best regards.

[8CPA]

On 3/27/2017 at 7:18 PM, Kathss56 said:

Yes, I am also thinking of doing a 600 visa, what medical insurance did people have whilst on this visa ?

also, how long do you have to leave Oz for when 143 is offered please? 

 

thank you everyone, your advice is amazing! 

 

Hi again. We did not have medical insurance as UK visitors have a reciprocal agreement with Australia. You need to go to a Medicare Centre and they will issue you with a reciprocal medicare card which lasts for the length of your visa i.e. one year if on a 600 visa or 3 months on a visitor visa. You then have to renew each time you re enter Oz. Try to find a bulk billing doctor and you won't have to pay for the doctor. If your preferred doctor doesn't bulk bill then you pay on your credit card and then re insert your credit card to receive the medicare amount back. I believe BUPa and probably other insurance companies do a reciprocal health insurance should you require it. Once you get your CPV143 then you get a full medicare card. If you intend to get private health insurance you need to ask medicare for a letter which exempts you from the 'Loading' imposed for each year after you are 31. You have up to one year from the start of your 143 visa to use this letter and it will save you 70% of the premium. Also be aware that the private system is different here as the older you get the more the government subsidises and there are no costs for any pre existing conditions. They really want you to have health insurance. Also be aware that prescriptions are not free for over 60's here and that they vary in price. Chemist Warehouse seem the best option and you can save a fair bit by checking. Some chemists charge more but only up to so many scripts and then they are free. If you have a lot of meds this might be an option worth investigating. Also not all meds are on the approved list and can work out very expensive.

On your second question we got our 600 visa in January 2015 and had to enter Australia by April 2015. I believe all these visas now have an 8053 no further stay on them and if you leave within the year you have to apply for another one. You cannot come and go in that year. We couldn't anyway.

[8CPA]

On 3/16/2017 at 9:02 AM, Alan Collett said:

 

 

Not quite right on the tax position: tax residents receive a tax free threshold and the 19% rate band.

 

Non residents are taxed at 32.5% on the first $ of certain Australian source income.

 

If you have a temporary residency visa (eg a visitor visa) and are a tax resident of Australia only Australian source income is likely to be taxable in Australia.

 

Agreed that professional advice from a tax advisor that specialises in tax issues affecting migrants to Australia is a good idea.

 

Best regards.

You pay a withholding tax of 10% on investments in Australia with the balance paid in the UK (self assessment) You are liable for tax worldwide once you have your residency. You must then apply for a double indemnity from the UK otherwise you will be taxed on income both in UK and in Oz on the same income.

[Alan Collett]

8 minutes ago, 8CPA said:

You pay a withholding tax of 10% on investments in Australia with the balance paid in the UK (self assessment) You are liable for tax worldwide once you have your residency. You must then apply for a double indemnity from the UK otherwise you will be taxed on income both in UK and in Oz on the same income.

 

That's a confusing post.

Are you referring to a tax resident of Australia, or of the UK?

Why would you pay tax in the UK under self assessment if you are no longer a tax resident of the UK?

What's a double indemnity?   I've not heard of that phrase in a tax context before.

Certain income is not taxable in the UK once you are a resident of Australia and have a permanent residency visa (eg UK source pension income) - see the Tax Treaty between the two countries.

Best regards.

[8CPA]

2 minutes ago, Alan Collett said:

 

That's a confusing post.

Are you referring to a tax resident of Australia, or of the UK?

Why would you pay tax in the UK under self assessment if you are no longer a tax resident of the UK?

What's a double indemnity?   I've not heard of that phrase in a tax context before.

Certain income is not taxable in the UK once you are a resident of Australia and have a permanent residency visa (eg UK source pension income) - see the Tax Treaty between the two countries.

Best regards.

OK We have just spent 2 years over here on a 600 visa and on a visitor visa before getting our residency in January 2017. We sold our house two years ago and brought the money over and invested it in Comm bank and ANZ earning interest which paid for a rental. Both banks took 10% 'with holding' tax on our interest as we had a holding address in the UK. We then had to declare the rest in a self assessment form as we were still technically resident in the UK. As we had paid 10% in Oz we only had to pay another 10% in the UK. We still receive pensions from the UK which of course are taxed at source in the UK even though we are now resident here. As residents here all income worldwide is taxed here so in effect our PAYE in the UK means we would be taxed twice. To avoid this situation UK and OZ have a double taxation indemnity agreement. (The Tax Treaty as you call it.)You download the form and send it to a specific address in the the Aussie tax department and they confirm you are now resident and liable for Aussie tax (you need a tax file number first of course) they then send it to  HMRC who inform your pensions people to pay your pension gross. You are then taxed on it in OZ.  We are currently doing this with our tax accountant and have already been informed that pensions will be paid gross now. They are due at the end of this month so we wait with bated breath.

[Alan Collett]

If you have been in Australia for 2 years you may well have been non UK resident for a period of time.

Have you looked at the UK's Statutory Residency Test, and taken advice in this regard?

From what you have said it would seem you were possibly not tax resident in the UK, and were tax resident in Australia - but as the holder of a temporary residency visa only Australian source income was properly taxable in Australia.

This said, yours is perhaps a borderline residency case.   See ATO Tax Ruling 98/17.

I am aware of the Tax Treaty provisions and the form to which you are referring, thanks - I am tax qualified in the UK and in Australia, and am a registered tax agent in Australia.

Best regards.

[Kathss56]

3 hours ago, 8CPA said:

Hi again. We did not have medical insurance as UK visitors have a reciprocal agreement with Australia. You need to go to a Medicare Centre and they will issue you with a reciprocal medicare card which lasts for the length of your visa i.e. one year if on a 600 visa or 3 months on a visitor visa. You then have to renew each time you re enter Oz. Try to find a bulk billing doctor and you won't have to pay for the doctor. If your preferred doctor doesn't bulk bill then you pay on your credit card and then re insert your credit card to receive the medicare amount back. I believe BUPa and probably other insurance companies do a reciprocal health insurance should you require it. Once you get your CPV143 then you get a full medicare card. If you intend to get private health insurance you need to ask medicare for a letter which exempts you from the 'Loading' imposed for each year after you are 31. You have up to one year from the start of your 143 visa to use this letter and it will save you 70% of the premium. Also be aware that the private system is different here as the older you get the more the government subsidises and there are no costs for any pre existing conditions. They really want you to have health insurance. Also be aware that prescriptions are not free for over 60's here and that they vary in price. Chemist Warehouse seem the best option and you can save a fair bit by checking. Some chemists charge more but only up to so many scripts and then they are free. If you have a lot of meds this might be an option worth investigating. Also not all meds are on the approved list and can work out very expensive.

On your second question we got our 600 visa in January 2015 and had to enter Australia by April 2015. I believe all these visas now have an 8053 no further stay on them and if you leave within the year you have to apply for another one. You cannot come and go in that year. We couldn't anyway.

Thank you so much for this. Best regards to you!

[Kathss56]

6 hours ago, Alan Collett said:

An onshore parent visa strategy is only available if the main visa applicant is "aged" (as defined).

The age at which an applicant is "aged" changes on 1 July this year.

Best regards.

Is this new 5yr parent visa starting this July do you know?  Have seen nothing on it since last years "announcement" Thanks 

[Kathss56]

My friend who has another friend that applied in Sept 14 are in the Centrelink process, who have told him due to the storms they are "busier"than usual. In case any of you are anxious it's not going through quickly.! 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Kathss56

[Fisher1]

On 27 March 2017 at 10:18 AM, Kathss56 said:

Yes, I am also thinking of doing a 600 visa, what medical insurance did people have whilst on this visa ?

also, how long do you have to leave Oz for when 143 is offered please? 

 

thank you everyone, your advice is amazing! 

 

Hi Kathss56.   I've just noticed that you asked how long you need to leave Australia for if the 143 is being issued while you are there. I can't find a reply to that bit of your post, so I thought I'd just tell you that we were in Oz when our 143 was about to be issued and we went to Aukland for six days. We liaised with immi, sending them our travel dates so they would know when we were out of the country, and the visa was actual issued the day after we arrived, so possibly we could have done it in a weekend -. I preferred the six days to be on the safe side, plus we had a lovely holiday.

[Alan Collett]

1 hour ago, Kathss56 said:

Is this new 5yr parent visa starting this July do you know?  Have seen nothing on it since last years "announcement" Thanks 

Hi Kath.

No more news, as yet.  

We await info - likely in the middle of next month (May).

Best regards.

[Catlady2014]

1 hour ago, Kathss56 said:

My friend who has another friend that applied in Sept 14 are in the Centrelink process, who have told him due to the storms they are "busier"than usual. In case any of you are anxious it's not going through quickly.! 

My daughter was told they are currently taking 9 weeks to process the AoS application.  She applied just over 8 weeks ago but still no phone interview yet.  

[AMP]

5 hours ago, 8CPA said:

Hi again. We did not have medical insurance as UK visitors have a reciprocal agreement with Australia. You need to go to a Medicare Centre and they will issue you with a reciprocal medicare card which lasts for the length of your visa i.e. one year if on a 600 visa or 3 months on a visitor visa. You then have to renew each time you re enter Oz. Try to find a bulk billing doctor and you won't have to pay for the doctor. If your preferred doctor doesn't bulk bill then you pay on your credit card and then re insert your credit card to receive the medicare amount back. I believe BUPa and probably other insurance companies do a reciprocal health insurance should you require it. Once you get your CPV143 then you get a full medicare card. If you intend to get private health insurance you need to ask medicare for a letter which exempts you from the 'Loading' imposed for each year after you are 31. You have up to one year from the start of your 143 visa to use this letter and it will save you 70% of the premium. Also be aware that the private system is different here as the older you get the more the government subsidises and there are no costs for any pre existing conditions. They really want you to have health insurance. Also be aware that prescriptions are not free for over 60's here and that they vary in price. Chemist Warehouse seem the best option and you can save a fair bit by checking. Some chemists charge more but only up to so many scripts and then they are free. If you have a lot of meds this might be an option worth investigating. Also not all meds are on the approved list and can work out very expensive.

On your second question we got our 600 visa in January 2015 and had to enter Australia by April 2015. I believe all these visas now have an 8053 no further stay on them and if you leave within the year you have to apply for another one. You cannot come and go in that year. We couldn't anyway.

Thanks for all the medical insurance info which is really helpful.  However I am now totally confused about the 600 visitor visa as what you have said seems to totally conflict with info in other posts.  I had been lead to understand that on this visa it is possible to leave , say after 11 months and then return on the same visa as long as it is within the initial 12 months period after the visa is granted.  Then I understood that on return another 12 months stay is possible, whilst still being on the same 600 visa. Can someone clarify please?  This info is pretty crucial. 

[Kathss56]

18 minutes ago, AMP said:

Thanks for all the medical insurance info which is really helpful.  However I am now totally confused about the 600 visitor visa as what you have said seems to totally conflict with info in other posts.  I had been lead to understand that on this visa it is possible to leave , say after 11 months and then return on the same visa as long as it is within the initial 12 months period after the visa is granted.  Then I understood that on return another 12 months stay is possible, whilst still being on the same 600 visa. Can someone clarify please?  This info is pretty crucial. 

Maybe the 8053 is a new rule for those currently waiting for 143.?? @Alan Collett can you advise please ? 

[Kathss56]

33 minutes ago, Catlady2014 said:

My daughter was told they are currently taking 9 weeks to process the AoS application.  She applied just over 8 weeks ago but still no phone interview yet.  

Hope you hear very soon. Maybe this is the reason for current delay then 

[nyorksgrannie]

1 hour ago, AMP said:

Thanks for all the medical insurance info which is really helpful.  However I am now totally confused about the 600 visitor visa as what you have said seems to totally conflict with info in other posts.  I had been lead to understand that on this visa it is possible to leave , say after 11 months and then return on the same visa as long as it is within the initial 12 months period after the visa is granted.  Then I understood that on return another 12 months stay is possible, whilst still being on the same 600 visa. Can someone clarify please?  This info is pretty crucial. 

Hi Angela we recently received our 12 month 600 visa (although not going until late July)

On the paperwork it says "your visa allows you multiple entries to Australia until March 2020. You are allowed to stay for a period of 12 month(s) on each arrival"

I hope this helps.

Sue

[AMP]

1 minute ago, nyorksgrannie said:

Hi Angela we recently received our 12 month 600 visa (although not going until late July)

On the paperwork it says "your visa allows you multiple entries to Australia until March 2020. You are allowed to stay for a period of 12 month(s) on each arrival"

I hope this helps.

Sue

Many thanks Sue, that is very reassuring.  Do you have any idea why it states up to March 2020?  Did you specifically apply for one which is valid for 3 years?  Did you at any time specify on the application that you are awaiting your 143 visa?

[donovandenese]

Condition 8503 is a mandatory condition on the following visitor visas:

• Visitor visa (subclass 600) (Sponsored Family stream)
• Visitor visa (subclass 600) (Approved Destination stream)
• Visitor visa (subclass 600) (Tourist stream) if sponsorship has been imposed on it

Condition 8503 is a discretionary condition on the following visitor visa:

• Visitor visa (subclass 600) (Tourist stream) with no sponsorship imposed

Even with the subclass 600 tourist stream visa with no sponsorship there are no guarantees before applying that condition 8503 won't be imposed. However it is far more likely to be imposed for people from high risk countries.

[nyorksgrannie]

48 minutes ago, AMP said:

Many thanks Sue, that is very reassuring.  Do you have any idea why it states up to March 2020?  Did you specifically apply for one which is valid for 3 years?  Did you at any time specify on the application that you are awaiting your 143 visa?

Hi again Amp, The on line application form asks for any specific time we want to be there, in our case, to help when second grandchild due, they also asked if we wanted multiple entries to which we said yes, it also asked if we knew dates of entry for each occasion to which we said No and put it depended on family circumstances and progress of 143, all of this is true, everyones circumstances will be different. You could start the online application and you will learn as you go along, it is quite tedious.

I was previously under the impression that the visa time started on entry and we put July for our arrival and yet it says valid up to March 2020 (we applied in March). I hope this will be more than long enough and we are granted 143. I did say we had applied for 143 with lodgement date on the application. I didn't want to leave the application for the 600 until the last minute in case there was a delay or change of visas.

I hope this helps,good luck with it.

Sue

 

 

[clarkesville1]

18 hours ago, Fisher1 said:

We initially put our names on the 103 waiting list, because we weren't sure whether or not we would be able to make the move. Two years ago our daughter had a little boy, and we immediately changed to the 143 list.  It came through very quickly because they counted the time we had already been waiting, and as already stated it cost about 100,000 dollars for us both.  There is the possibility of visiting Australia and then applying for a visa from there, the info will be on the Aus gov website.

I really feel for your current situation - been there, done that.  Our daughter (only child) went for a year and didn't come back ... I have been trying to think of things to comfort you in the immediate future, and the things that helped me were :-  

1. We had a holiday booked to Australia before our daughter left the UK so we knew we were going to see her six months later.

2. We had a good email contact and texted each other all the time , at least once a day at first. (Incredibly there was no skype or facetime in 2004 when our daughter left - there was a webcam on Sydney harbour bridge at the time and I used to miss her so much that I logged on sometimes just to watch people walking about where she was!!!) 

3. Ask her to send photos and videos of the grandchildren - our daughter is very good at sending little video clips of anything new they do together, and its great to have a little surprise in the inbox.

Its not easy and it's worse for you waving off your grandchildren too. Wishing you well with it all.

Thanks very much.  It will be hard but we are good at communicating frequently.   So I have already booked to go out in July & they are back at Xmas.  Hoping to go out in 2018 for a few months, I will be wishing my life away till the next visits x

[Alan Collett]

2 hours ago, Kathss56 said:

Maybe the 8053 is a new rule for those currently waiting for 143.?? @Alan Collett can you advise please ? 

 

In my experience an 8503 condition is added to the 12 month visitor visa as a default setting.

Best regards.

[bry45]

Hi all

Having been to Oz 4 times in the last 5 years, my wife and I also applied for the 143 on 1st June 2016 for much the same reasons as fisher1 above. Our daughter has just given birth to our second grandchild last November and thankfully we were able to be there for the big occasion.  I'm already sick of the time lines constantly being extended, don't get me wrong, I understand the reason behind it, but I can't help getting more and more annoyed.

We discussed and pondered the move for quite some time before making the decision to apply, but we decided that we only truly feel at home when we are in OZ and can't wait to get there. We've already sold our house, so the money is ready and waiting, we just want to get out there and not have to come back. I'm now 50, and on current time scales we will be 53 before we even get a case officer, which means I'm always becoming more unemployable.

Having read this trail, I'm wondering if we too should apply for a 600 visa just to get us out there. However, my concern is that I don't want to do anything that will effect our 143 application and as far as I can see the 600 visa only allows you to stay for no longer than 12 months. I understand Sue's explanation above says her visa is valid until March 2020, but I wonder if this is correct? Does that not just mean the visa is valid for use until March 2020? Unless I'm wrong (which I hope I am Sue) that doesn't mean you can go for 12 months, leave for a week and return for nother twelve months and son on until the visa's expiry date.

I truly hope I'm wrong Sue and if I am, I too may be applying for a 600.

Best regards

 

Bryan