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Parent visa application timelines (143 & 173)
LindaH27 replied to theballies's topic in Family / Partner Visas
Not much - just settle in for a wait to be contacted for processing/grant around October 2026 on Current quota https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/visa-processing-time-calculator/?visa_month=5&visa_year=2019&expect_annually=7000&dataset=2023-10-03#calculator There could be changes once the govt make their announcement on potential changes to parent visas, hopefully by the end of this year. -
This is just for pre assessment for the queue. AOS is only requested shortly before grant. They are still working on May 2017 and there are over 5000 applications in June 2017 June 2019 is not likely to be processed /granted until November 2026. https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/visa-processing-time-calculator/?visa_month=6&visa_year=2019&expect_annually=7000&dataset=2023-10-03#calculator
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One of the major problems in recent years is the 804 visa. It allows elderly people to just move over and wait in Australia for the rest of their life. The numbers applying for that have greatly increased in the last few years partly because of the long wait for the contributory visa, partly because some countries have a cultural need to look after their parents and also partly because some cannot afford the costs of the contributory visa. People from one of 11 countries can get reciprocal health care too which adds to the costs for the Australian taxpayer - and it is probably really only meant to cover visitors rather than long stay . The article also mentions that if people become ill enough to go to hospital then they will be treated but obviously will incur a cost - and it appears from the article that a lot cannot pay and it therefore remains a debt to the government. It’s no surprise therefore that the cost of an elderly parent is averaged out at $400k. Private health insurance is mentioned but will obviously be expensive for older parents with varied health conditions - and it will no doubt increase every year. What happens then when it becomes too expensive for some elderly parents to maintain that insurance? The Press would have a field day if Australia attempted to remove those parents! I’ve no real idea of the best way to proceed. It may be better to call a halt to new offshore applications for a while, close off onshore applications and restrict the reciprocal health care agreement to short term visitors only. The problem then arises of the best way to clear the existing backlog. Whether to increase the quota for a few years, restrict reciprocal care and bite the bullet on those costs , and thereafter only allow long term fully self funded visas. That way it could be short term pain for long term gain - but with an election coming in possibly 2025 who knows how all this would sound to the Australian voters?
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Congratulations Lesley ! Sounds like it’s been a rough ride but you finally got there! I know that to get citizenship you have to be in Australia for 4 years and have PR. Do they count the time you’ve already spent in Australia whilst waiting for 864 or is it 4 years PR needed?
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You’d need to Speak to an agent. @Alan Collett posts here often and gives very good advice. I understand you can arrange a short freebie chat with him for a basic outline of what is possible.
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I don’t think anyone could tell you! . Currently new applications made from January 2023 are likely to take between 12-15 years due to the fact there are around 85000 already in the queue and only 6800 grants per year. Its not just the actual condition that could cause failure to pass medical, it’s also whether the costs of treating it would cost more than $51000 over a period of 5-10 years. Also the govt has carried out a review into parent visas and will be making an announcement later this year. It’s possible there could be a raft of changes to parent visas - possibly even stopping them altogether in favour of long term temporary visas or a lottery system
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Well they’ve started May 2017 but as May and June 2017 have around 9000 applications it’s still going to take a long time. In fact there are some applicants from February 2017 and later months still waiting for their grant. There does seem to have been a general slow down in grants despite a new financial year starting 1st July. It almost feels as though there’s a “go slow” until the govt announcement about the future of parent visas later this year - perhaps in the budget in October
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I believe Govt have already been in various consultations in May and June and will be making announcements “later this year” The long wait “for decades” only applies to two of the visas - 103 and 804, one of which (804) only makes small contributions but has the huge benefit of being allowed to live onshore during the wait and most seem very happy with that. 103 unfortunately has to wait offshore, which is cruel as it takes the same length of wait time as 804 Its the contributory visas that lose out - big contributions and forced to wait offshore but the articles never seem to make that clear .
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Presume that’s a typo - May 2016?? immi have started on May 2017 applications
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One of the main problems - and it’s Australia’s own fault - is that the uncertainty and delay surrounding offshore visas has led to an absolute boom in 804, especially from China and India who are the top two nations applying for parental visas. UK is third on the list but by quite a big margin. Obviously it’s allowed so people will take advantage of that.. But - all those people have to be late sixties in order to even qualify for an onshore visa. So as they all age further Australia is going to face a lot of problems. Most will have to have private health care but that is increasingly expensive and doesn’t always cover certain problems like heart and vascular. Even if people have reciprocal health care it’s going to cost Australia big bucks! It is also discriminatory as it allows elderly applicants to wait onshore whereas younger 143 applicants could still have some working life in them but have to wait offshore or get temporary visas which do not allow work Australia needs to stop the onshore visas now whilst obviously keeping those already waiting. For those waiting offshore, a temporary halt is needed whilst they decide what to do going forward, whether that means increasing the fees or going to a lottery system. They can’t really start a lottery system whilst there is a backlog because it would be unfair for those who have already been waiting years. They may have to bite the bullet and temporarily increase the quotas to get rid of the backlog and then start anew with a lottery system - short term pain for long term gain maybe? I don’t have the answer and really don’t envy the politicians trying to sort out the mess that has been allowed to develop
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Switch from granted SC804 to application for SC864
LindaH27 replied to VikramM's topic in Family / Partner Visas
You can switch to 864 and keep your queue date but you still won’t get Medicare! Medicare is only given once the visa is actually granted. It’s still likely to take around 12 years on a bridging visa before 864 would be granted -
Hi Alan Thanks for the info I (like many) am not sure what is going on at present. Social media shows some parents still waiting on December 2016 applications whereas some have reported getting grants for May 2017! One well known agent has said their company has actually received requests for further docs for June 2017 applicants Given that’s it’s a new financial year there’s usually a flurry of grants at this time - yet it’s very quiet. We know immi can work quickly given how many they got through since the numbers were increased late last year. I know that the govt has said they will announce changes “later this year” after the recent review. It doesn’t look or sound very promising so far, especially since there’s been no mention of any increase in the quota. I would appreciate your thoughts on this thanks
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Well it’s certainly not going to help Australia even if they don’t actually process aged parent applications - there’s thousands already there on bridging visas and immi are still issuing bridging visas to new applicants!! As @Alan Collett said Aged parents can still access aged care even on bridging visas. All that’s likely to do is encourage more to change to 804 and get a bridging visa because even if it’s never granted they are onshore with their families and certain applicants get Reciprocal Health care anyway if from one of 11 countries, which includes UK
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Leaving aside any emotional feeling but using cold hard logic this is exactly why Australia doesn’t want parents especially on 804. By the very nature of the visa parents have to be elderly and elderly people develop many problems as they age. So what seems to be a cheap way of living in Australia could end up being very expensive in future years -either for the parents and family themselves or for the Australian taxpayer. For example paying for a hip operation would cost the parent around $40000 - nearly the price of a contributory visa! Allowing the length of the contributory queue to drag out has created a huge number of elderly people applying for and living in Australia on 804 which is not financially viable unfortunately especially if they also get Reciprocal Health Care. This is the dilemma currently facing the govt. They understand that people would like their parents with them, especially in the cultures where extended families are the norm. But there has been a recent explosion in the numbers using 804. . Even if the parents fail the Medicals a few years down the line it’s very difficult for Australia to tell them to leave - there would be numerous stories in the media! I don’t know the answer - ending 804 would stop more entering Australia but would cause arguments in Parliament re human rights etc. It’s a problem facing the whole world - an increasingly ageing population. Contributory visas do make a contribution towards medicare but realistically it doesn’t cover the potential costs. And I say all this as someone who’s already waited 6 years for their visa - and still waiting!
