LindaH27

No but those young partners could help increase the birth rate and child care for the future!! Already been mentioned by immigration as one factor in the increased partner rate Your high taxes may be needed when you reach old age as none of us knows what’s in store for us, so they don’t factor in using them for your parents.

Yes I do agree with you- my daughter has a high powered job over there and a young child with her partner who I could help with - but Australia knows it has plenty of young would be migrants waiting in the wings who would make up for any leaving. Again Australia holds all the cards!!

Possibly - something was mentioned a few months ago by Scott Morrison talking about an Australia-UK trade deal after Brexit and he said something about allowing Brits to live and work in Australia and vice versa, but I can’t remember exactly what was said - it will almost certainly not be free movement like among EU states !

Some newer members of the forum possibly won’t be aware that early in 2018 a member of the forum emailed Senator Nic McKim of the Greens about the waiting times of the parent queue. It was actually raised in parliament/Senate in May 2018. The figures given then from the Immigration department were that there were already 46,745 in the queue at end April 2018 and that there were only so many places and demand continued to outstrip those places available. The only outcome after that appeared to be that the annual cap got reduced later from over 7000 to 6000 and now to 4500! The other thing Australia’s govt is aware of Is the 2016 Productivity Review Commission looking at immigration for the future. The recommendations (which haven’t yet been carried out) were that the existing 99 different visas that Australia uses should be reduced to just 10. That non contributory parents visas should be abolished, no bridging visas then needed and that contributory parents visas should pay an amount closer to that which it was estimated to cost Australia in aged medical and care costs over the lives of the applicants. That figure was estimated to be around $450,000 per person - that’s at least 10 times higher than the current visa cost!! Yes some will have substantial funds and can pay for everything - a lot more will not, so they have to average it out. The review was opened for comments etc for a year (I think!!) To date nothing has been done as Australia, like every other country, is concentrating on fighting Covid-19 and the effects it’s having on the economy - hence why it really wants young people who are going to come in and pay taxes and get the economy moving again. Kristina Keneally, the Shadow Home Affairs minister, has recently said that the review and the costs of looking into privatising the visa application service had cost the Australia govt $90 million! She said immigration needs looking at and there were far too many people on bridging visas. So it appears both major parties aren’t overly concerned about parents and are focusing more on skills, Global Talent and young partners because without an influx of young people and a higher birth rate, Australia is moving towards having a smaller and older population as a lot of their early migrants from the 1960s onwards are now of pensionable age themselves. Yes some countries allow parent visas - but you’d have a much harder struggle to get one for UK! All this may go some way to explaining why some people haven’t signed - because they know it probably won’t work. Immi is at fault in not giving new applicants the proper waiting time. if this was done some people would probably decide not to apply. But more and more people are applying thinking they will get a visa in around 3-4 years (Some were told 18-24 months - I was!) and have their hopes come crashing down. Immi and migration agents need to be more open about the potential wait times. I’m not trying to defend Australia’s stance on parental immigration - I’ve been waiting for a parent visa myself for over 3 years already - I’m trying to explain why it is the way it is and I don’t like it anymore than the rest of us! Transparency needs to be the order of the day

The extra Numbers are probably the other parent visas, 173, 884 and 864, all part of the same contributory parent queue.

Sadly at present cap of 4500 grants per year allowed, that looks like around a further two year wait

Ok. Sorry can’t help further

Does the 600 visa have condition on saying no further stay? A lot do. If so I think you can’t apply for another visa until you’ve had that condition waived.

I have tried to tell people about this forum and also about wait times but I just get shouted down so it’s not worth my trying anymore. I just want people to be realistic now rather than getting upset 4 or 5 years down the line - it’s so depressing reading posts saying something along the lines of “YAy I’ve put my application in and I’ll be there in a couple of years !” And even worse when some agents don’t give realistic views

Yes it’s just 143 so not an accurate guide as we’d need to have 173, 884 and 864 included as well as it’s all the same queue in supposedly “strict date” order Having said that I find that this group is one of very few that has a realistic view of the wait times. There are many other Posts on social Media that have a very blinkered view of the wait times Did you manage to get a figure from the Queue calculator @Lady Jane ?

Interesting but difficult to relate those figures to figures some of us had from the queue calculator )which was for all contributory parent visas not just 143) . For instance one poster with date of 31/10/16 was told 10450 in front of them in queue calculator for all visas , yet going on these figures of just 143 there would have been 12492 in front of them so more than the calculator said; whereas my date of 21/06/17 in the queue calculator for all visas said 22900 but in these figures (again just 143 ) I have 17167 in front of me so first poster had less in queue calculator than these figures whereas I had more in the queue calculator than these figures so it doesn’t make sense. I think it’s best to wait and see what @Alan Collett posts as he’s waiting on some statistics that might hopefully give all of us a better idea of where we all are!

If you look at what I posted and scroll back in this forum you will find a list and you can use that to count how many 143 are before you It won’t be accurate as It doesn’t include 173 884 and 864 but gives you some idea

As I said in the post And May/June 2017 alone had nearly 9000 applications forparents visas - and that’s just 143, the queue alsoincludes 173, 884 & 864.  and - those 9000 applicants In May/June 2017 will take a longtime to work through.  I didn’t mention 2016 at all !!

It’s soMe where in the earlier pages in this topic but can’t remember how far back. It was a freedom of into request and another poster (Biggsy??) managed to construct a list of 143s from it but the queue actually includes the other parentVisas types as well so What is shown is lower than the actual figures You can also google Australian migrant program report 2020 and look for the one from home affairs - extremely interesting !! @Alan Collett an Agent who posts on here also has an interesting blog https://www.gm-parent-visas.com/parent-visa-processing-timelines-the-gory-details/ The queue calculator that showed how many were in front of you crashed after two weeks - not surprisingly !! when did you lodge ? If it’s after 1st June 2028!thete will be an extra wait as these visas are assessed befits bring out into a queue.

Well your date and my date give a good idea of how rapidly the queue is growing ! 31/10/16 there were 10450. Less than 9 months later 21/06/17 the queue had more than doubled to 22900 - an extra 12450 - and 9000 of those were just in May and June 2017. Just those 9000 Alone on the current cap of 4500 will take 2 years to process - horrendous thought !! Its hard to accept and even harder when you try to tell people and they refuse to believe you and say well my agent says it’s 4 years! Surely those agents have the same access to the numbers that Joe Blogs can find online ?? Despite feeling sorry for myself and you @Juniper and others on this forum , I think it’s even worse for those who started the process after 1st June 2018, who probably don’t know, and won’t want to believe that their applications will be subjected to a queue date that could add a further two or three years to their wait times. We weren’t told the correct wait times - 18-24 months in my case- and I doubt very much that post June 2018 applicants have been warned about the new assessment for queuing. There really should be some honesty and clarity given to prospective applicants so that they can make a decision whether or not to apply. It’s so hard to see new posters writing excitedly about the fact that they’ve put an application in - and it’s obvious they have no idea of the reality. @Juniper have you consider going over on visitor visa when the borders open and changing to 804 or 864? The way the queue is being drawn out and the ages we are ( I’m very late 60s) It’s likely we would never get PR BUT we would be onshore with our families !!