ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Hi Everyone, I hope you can help. I'm a British Citizen and have lived 'Down Under' for nearly 11 years. One of my kids was born in England the other was born here. I have a valid Australian passport, but I will be renewing my British passport as soon as next week. My two children do not have passports as my ex-husband will not sign passport forms. That's another story. I work in a skilled industry and will be losing my job due to 'mandates'. The doctors have been silenced and I cannot get an exemption even though I have existing and other health concerns under investigation. None meet the criteria for an exemption and due to the fear of being dismissed doctors will not attach their name to one. I feel things are tough in many countries now but, I'm not sure how much longer I can hang on for here. With the looming job loss, my health, and the situation in Australia becoming unbearable, what chance do I have of getting out in terms of Border Force, flights (without injections) etc? I can sell everything I own, but I will run out of money quickly being out of work and I cannot access my superannuation unless I've been on welfare payments for 6 months. My salary is my only income. I am the primary carer for the children and meet all of their needs, medical, education etc. My brother and sister live in England and my mum in North Wales. We have a beautiful dog that I would like to take to England too. I understand that I cannot leave the country without permission from my ex-husband. He is difficult to get hold of and it normally takes weeks to get a simple reply to an email. If you have already returned please reply about the job situation and availability of rentals. I've lived in London and Peterborough. Chester is great but I don't mind so much where we live as long as I can find employment. I like to and want to work. Thank you. Please be kind =). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Cant really help you as I never had to worry about rentals or jobs but my observation, for what it is worth when I lived there (returned last year) - nobody I knew who wanted a job had difficulty getting a job. Also, fewer people, it seemed to me, were living with their parents and my son never had a problem finding somewhere to live. I think UK is all about the vaccine passports as much as Australia these days from what I am reading. I think you are probably going to need a good deal of luck, however, with the Hague Convention - Australian courts never give permission for kids to leave if one parent - be they ever so much of a dropkick - says no. I hope it works out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toots Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Your brother and sister should be able to give you plenty of information about rentals and the employment situation for yourself. Ask them about everything you need to know. Very best of luck with the Hague Convention and also with the vaccine exemption thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Toots said: Your brother and sister should be able to give you plenty of information about rentals and the employment situation for yourself. Ask them about everything you need to know. Very best of luck with the Hague Convention and also with the vaccine exemption thing. They are not employed in education so have no idea about that industry. Obviously I can't buy a house straight away but in the areas, they live in (Northampton and Ellesmere Port) rentals are few) that's why I thought I would ask about it here as well. Why are you telling me about the Hague Convention? I'm not going to kidnap my children!!! I've worked hard to have the career I have now and would never risk being arrested and getting a criminal record attached to my name. My current job requires international and national police checks, WWCC, board registrations etc. I lose that I will never work with kids again. The exemption is another matter and even though I could die due to my heart, it is dangerous and ill-advised to have these injections. If you're a sole parent I'm sure Iit might have crossed your mind about what happens to the children! Thank you anyway. Edited November 7, 2021 by ByoDurbsUKAus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Quoll said: Cant really help you as I never had to worry about rentals or jobs but my observation, for what it is worth when I lived there (returned last year) - nobody I knew who wanted a job had difficulty getting a job. Also, fewer people, it seemed to me, were living with their parents and my son never had a problem finding somewhere to live. I think UK is all about the vaccine passports as much as Australia these days from what I am reading. I think you are probably going to need a good deal of luck, however, with the Hague Convention - Australian courts never give permission for kids to leave if one parent - be they ever so much of a dropkick - says no. I hope it works out for you. Thank you. I understand fully that my matter would have to go through the court system and it might take a very long time. I do realise without the fathers permission we will not be going anywhere. I won't abandon the children. As it is we are isolated here and I've been managed without supports and whatnot for a long time. It's going to get worse for us because our local government has decided I'm no longer allowed to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: They are not employed in education so have no idea about that industry. Obviously I can't buy a house straight away but in the areas, they live in (Northampton and Ellesmere Port) rentals are few) that's why I thought I would ask about it here as well. Why are you telling me about the Hague Convention? I'm not going to kidnap my children!!! I've worked hard to have the career I have now and would never risk being arrested and getting a criminal record attached to my name. My current job requires international and national police checks, WWCC, board registrations etc. I lose that I will never work with kids again. The exemption is another matter and even though I could die due to my heart, it is dangerous and ill-advised to have these injections. Thank you anyway. The Hague Convention is what the courts will use to decide whether the kids are allowed to leave. Its not as simple as just getting them passports. To leave permanently with them you will need their father to agree. Its more wide-ranging than just dealing with "kidnap" cases 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Nemesis said: The Hague Convention is what the courts will use to decide whether the kids are allowed to leave. Its not as simple as just getting them passports. To leave permanently with them you will need their father to agree. Its more wide-ranging than just dealing with "kidnap" cases I understand that too, but I'm evidently not very good at articulating what I mean. I mentioned the passports because the process for them will take a long time if not the same or longer. Even if the father agrees in the future at mediation he will drag out the passport process. This is what he does for everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toots Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: They are not employed in education so have no idea about that industry. Obviously I can't buy a house straight away but in the areas, they live in (Northampton and Ellesmere Port) rentals are few) that's why I thought I would ask about it here as well. Why are you telling me about the Hague Convention? I'm not going to kidnap my children!!! I've worked hard to have the career I have now and would never risk being arrested and getting a criminal record attached to my name. My current job requires international and national police checks, WWCC, board registrations etc. I lose that I will never work with kids again. The exemption is another matter and even though I could die due to my heart, it is dangerous and ill-advised to have these injections. If you're a sole parent I'm sure Iit might have crossed your mind about what happens to the children! Thank you anyway. I wasn't telling you about the Hague Convention. I was wishing you good luck with it. I also have a heart condition. I'm old now but was diagnosed with it in my twenties. I went ahead with the vaccine with no ill effects but I do of course understand why you wouldn't have it particularly as you are a sole parent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: I cannot get an exemption even though I have existing and other health concerns under investigation. None meet the criteria for an exemption Maybe just get the jab.. would be easier. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammygirl Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I do think you need to add up the risk. You are more at risk of serious health issues if you contract COVIDthan you are from a bad reaction to a vaccine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: Thank you. I understand fully that my matter would have to go through the court system and it might take a very long time. I do realise without the fathers permission we will not be going anywhere. I won't abandon the children. As it is we are isolated here and I've been managed without supports and whatnot for a long time. It's going to get worse for us because our local government has decided I'm no longer allowed to work. You are basically arguing to the courts you have to leave Australia and take the kids away from their father because you don't want to get vaccinated. Personally i think this is ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumbeat Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Who exactly has advised you it’s unsafe to have the vaccine? Obviously not a cardiac specialist if you can’t get an exemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumbeat Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Parley said: You are basically arguing to the courts you have to leave Australia and take the kids away from their father because you don't want to get vaccinated. Personally i think this is ridiculous. And move to a country with a high risk of catching COVID - even more ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Drumbeat said: Who exactly has advised you it’s unsafe to have the vaccine? Obviously not a cardiac specialist if you can’t get an exemption. Facebook obviously. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: I hope you can help. I'm a British Citizen and have lived 'Down Under' for nearly 11 years. One of my kids was born in England the other was born here. I have a valid Australian passport, but I will be renewing my British passport as soon as next week..... If you have already returned please reply about the job situation and availability of rentals. I've lived in London and Peterborough. Chester is great but I don't mind so much where we live as long as I can find employment. I like to and want to work. Thank you. I would say that if you can manage to get to the UK, you'll have no trouble finding work. The job market is better there than here, surprisingly. The problem, as others have said, will be getting permission to leave the country. If you can't even get your husband to sign the passport forms, then there's no way he's going to give you written permission to take the children, so you'll have to take the matter to court. That will take several months and there is no way around it. It doesn't matter how much of an upstanding citizen you are, or how much of a dropkick your husband is, I'm afraid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Peach said: Maybe just get the jab.. would be easier. I risk death....how is that easier? My doctor has said no. You do realise I have children....so I die then what happens with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 48 minutes ago, Marisawright said: I would say that if you can manage to get to the UK, you'll have no trouble finding work. The job market is better there than here, surprisingly. The problem, as others have said, will be getting permission to leave the country. If you can't even get your husband to sign the passport forms, then there's no way he's going to give you written permission to take the children, so you'll have to take the matter to court. That will take several months and there is no way around it. It doesn't matter how much of an upstanding citizen you are, or how much of a dropkick your husband is, I'm afraid. Thank you for your input. I have hope but and will keep trying until I can''t anymore. I do miss my mum and siblings and the children don't really have a relationship with their father as it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, rammygirl said: I do think you need to add up the risk. You are more at risk of serious health issues if you contract COVIDthan you are from a bad reaction to a vaccine. For me it is actually the other way around. I recently read that the recovery rate is 97% + and I'm not in a hot spot but I understand what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Drumbeat said: And move to a country with a high risk of catching COVID - even more ridiculous. That's not true at all! I cannot get 'vaccinated'!!!! Covid aside have a good look at what Australia is becoming before you tell me about risk and what's dangerous! Edited November 7, 2021 by ByoDurbsUKAus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 58 minutes ago, Parley said: Facebook obviously. Excuse me??? How about you look at the ATAGI document. I am under the care of a cardiologist. I don't even have Facebook. I'm not stupid either! You don't know that doctors and specialists have been silenced? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByoDurbsUKAus Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Drumbeat said: And move to a country with a high risk of catching COVID - even more ridiculous. Really? Have a look at the statistics as in covid cases, 1 jabbed and 2 jabbed, deaths, side effects etc. and then come back to me. Depending on the underlying condition and GP and specialist are are both saying it's dangerous, as in more dangerous than catching the virus I'm not going to argue with that. Edited November 7, 2021 by ByoDurbsUKAus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: I risk death....how is that easier? My doctor has said no. You do realise I have children....so I die then what happens with them? If the doctor has said no, then he is obliged to give you an exemption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulya Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: Really? Have a look at the statistics as in covid cases, 1 jabbed and 2 jabbed, deaths, side effects etc. and then come back to me. Depending on the underlying condition and GP and specialist are are both saying it's dangerous, as in more dangerous than catching the virus I'm not going to argue with that. Professor off immunology on 2GB reiterated that there are no medical conditions stopping anybody from having one of the COVID vaccines, not a single one. I’m under the care of a cardiologist and a nephrologist and I’m double vaccinated (Pfizer). 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: For me it is actually the other way around. I recently read that the recovery rate is 97% + and I'm not in a hot spot but I understand what you mean. But you want to travel to a country where COVID is rife and many places would be hotspots by Aus standards, so surely you would be putting yourself more at risk if you returned without any vaccinations. Cal x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Flu Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, ByoDurbsUKAus said: I risk death....how is that easier? My doctor has said no. You do realise I have children....so I die then what happens with them? If you risk death as suggested by your doctor then get it in writing . You cannot be forced to do something that will endanger your personal health. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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