Guest Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 @Coupleinoz I just read this - interesting to note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredg97 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/13/greens-labor-crossbench-unite-force-governments-hand-citizenship-bill Could be interesting, let's see what happens in the next 4 sittings, if it is not voted by then, the Bill will be removed from the notice paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alderan Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 "Peter Dutton now has four sitting days to put his citizenship bill up for debate, reports Gareth Hutchens: It is a major embarrassment for the Turnbull government, with a majority of Senators - Greens, Labor, the Nick Xenophon Team,and Jacqui Lambie - supporting the motion on Wednesday. The motion passed 32 to 29. It was moved by Greens senator Nick McKim, with an amendment from Lambie. Lambie’s amendment gave the government until 18 October to bring the bill on for debate. The Greens originally wanted to strike the bill from the notice paper immediately." Source: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/sep/13/government-backtracks-from-finkels-clean-energy-target-politics-live At least an end is in sight one way or the other...hopefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unzippy Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 And then what? Limbo for ever, or crack on and process the massive pile of applications as per pre April? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coupleinoz Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Do you think it would help if we all reached out to our local MP's (in Greens or Labor) to demonstrate the level of support behind dropping this bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta2 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 What would be the point - since both parties have said they oppose all provisions of the bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coupleinoz Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Fair enough - was just wondering if there was anything else I / we could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coupleinoz Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I'm not quite clear if they are supporting a reduction from the 4 years? In the reports, they oppose this but in the recommendations they do not call it out. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Legal_and_Constitutional_Affairs/CitizenshipBill2017/Report/b01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta2 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 The Senate committee report doesn't determine anything. It's just a report. Not binding on anyone. What matters is the deals that will be struck among the Senate crossbenchers. With this crossbench, just about anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coupleinoz Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Ok, thanks. I'm just trying to work out how strongly they oppose the 4 years increase, as this affects us the most. The majority of the media and conversation around it seems to be about the english language test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredg97 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Coupleinoz said: I'm not quite clear if they are supporting a reduction from the 4 years? In the reports, they oppose this but in the recommendations they do not call it out. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Legal_and_Constitutional_Affairs/CitizenshipBill2017/Report/b01 This are the recommendations from the Committee led by Liberals. Have a look at the dissenting reports from Labors, Greens and NXT. They all oppose the Bill in its current form. If no amendments will come from the government and the Bill will get voted, it will be rejected (Labors+Greens+NXT have the majority). Dutton doesn't seem to be willing to amend anything. Even few amendments could not be sufficient to get the 3 votes from NXT (their position was made quite clear yesterday in the Senate). We will see what happens in the next 3 sitting dates (16-18/10). Just for your information, I recommend you to follow all Facebook groups created on opposing the Bill. They will be able to recommend what actions you can take for the time being. You will not find much sympathy in this thread unfortunately. Edited September 14, 2017 by dredg97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta2 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 What has the NXT said about the proposed four year requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchy Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Have a look here guys . There arecouple of emails sent by the senators. http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/215001-citizenship-changes-70.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali369829 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Old stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Looks like Dutton is ready to negotiate with NXT... Most probably bill may pass with less English scores(4-5 range) , retrospective changes and no powers to minister to overturn AAT decisions incase applicant found in some sort of critical offences like terrorits activities, rapes etc..people whoever is waiting to lodge to applications, better you submit the applications.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali369829 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/sep/19/peter-dutton-admits-he-will-need-to-rethink-english-test-in-citizenship-overhaul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny_Drift Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Dutton told Sky News: “Of course we are flexible.” So isn't this the moron that just a little while back claimed the bill is 100% not negotiable??? Edited September 19, 2017 by Spinny_Drift 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta2 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 When did Dutton say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, Roberta2 said: When did Dutton say that? He said yesterday, moreover he said, he is taking to NXT reg the bill, so we can expect some level of negotiations between government and Nick team by Oct 17th and government will try to pass the bill by 18th Oct. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/sep/19/peter-dutton-admits-he-will-need-to-rethink-english-test-in-citizenship-overhaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Zhang Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 After the negotiation, what will be left? What's the point to do that? To solve a problem which does not exist? Just ironic. Waste our time, and up to now, still all the application after 20th April are blocked. How stupid he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta2 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I meant when did Dutton ever say the bill was 100% non negotiable? I would be very surprised if any cabinet minister would say any such thing, given the nature of the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali369829 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 No one say that...very simple current bill already rejected by senate majority. what I'm thinking submitted application will safe , those who is still waiting for the decision will suffer..... go and lodge. look, whatever new Amendment will (if) from future date. Coz the current bill is already almost dead so 20th April announcements date not much effective, I think. This retake bill never pass before, it may pass few elements but not all. Back date DEAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta2 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 No one can predict what this Senate will do. We saw Nick Xenophon and Pauline Hanson in an alliance of convenience last week in relation to the new media laws. Xenophon outfoxed Pauline, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali369829 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Yes true..... but no one focus new media matters at least I don't care but millions talking everyday about citizenship matters. Lol Retrospective Dead..go n lodge application ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliotkan Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Looks like the ridiculous four years residential requirement will still get passed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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