Johndoe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Johndoe, I've seen you in your finest military uniform. You would never dream of wearing it with the top button undone at the Battle of Britain commemorations. It was a terrible look. That's because I would be under a strict military dress code which i would have to follow as one of the military. As a civilian, I would expect to wear what I wish without being judged, as long as it was within the bounds of decency. Edited September 18, 2015 by Johndoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 And the reason for not wearing a suit? In any case, collars are not restricting if they are the right size. Personal choice. Something which most espouse but a principle that many will drop immediately. if it suits their purpose to get a dig in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 You pick your outfit to suit the occasion. No, I would pick my outfit according to personal choice. Just as I am currently growing a longer beard and longer hair. It's no business of anybodys, leastwise an establishment that I feel is outmoded and outdated. How many of the fallen, especially in the Great War, could actually afford a suit. Perhaps that was his statement? he was commemorating them, not protocols or the establisment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 To all those banging on about him not singing GOD save the Queen... What did Jesus teach us about judging on appearances? Is a mans worth and character dictated by his appearance? If you dismiss this you dismiss the relevance of the anthem itself What value do words sang have if the words sang are meaningless??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Oh dear, the character assassination is in full swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 How many of the fallen, especially in the Great War, could actually afford a suit. Actually, all of them. Suits were part of every wardrobe in the 1910s. Perhaps that was his statement? Actually, a remembrance service is not the time or place to be making statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Actually, all of them. Suits were part of every wardrobe in the 1910s. Actually, a remembrance service is not the time or place to be making statements. Oh dear. My grandfather didn't even have a wardrobe until the Boer war. His suit was Khaki. Isn't the Rememberance service in itself a statement? That we remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Who determines he was making a statement? Again...what exacty was 'wrong' with his outfit??? It's not like he turned up in joggers and a singlet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinkla Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Oh dear, the character assassination is in full swing. I think it goes deeper than that. I think it's about the inherent contradiction of a person espousing revolutionary socialism and holding a public office. There is going to be a conflict between the public role and the private belief. People like Jeremy Corbyn are necessary in society to provide challenge to the establishment, adopt causes, press for change, make people think. But sometimes they don't translate well into positions of authority. It is not that the press is trying to make him look ridiculous, it is that the situation in which he has found himself is inherently ridiculous. To my mind, the remembrance service is a good illustration that Corbyn is not going to be able to reconcile himself to the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I think it goes deeper than that. I think it's about the inherent contradiction of a person espousing revolutionary socialism and holding a public office. There is going to be a conflict between the public role and the private belief. People like Jeremy Corbyn are necessary in society to provide challenge to the establishment, adopt causes, press for change, make people think. But sometimes they don't translate well into positions of authority. It is not that the press is trying to make him look ridiculous, it is that the situation in which he has found himself is inherently ridiculous. To my mind, the remembrance service is a good illustration that Corbyn is not going to be able to reconcile himself to the role. Sadly, I have to agree with you on that one. It's just a pity and ironic that someone with such a strong desire to create a more just society, will eventually be rejected and ridiculed by that very same society. No co-incidence then that his initials are JC eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiralx Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Not sure what parts of his proposals are 'revolutionary socialism'. It's just the phenomenon I mentioned in a post a few days ago: anything less than the current faux-capitalism which benefits the few is regarded as unconscionable and a danger to humanity. It's sad that so many have been so brainwashed by the right wing media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Sadly, I have to agree with you on that one. It's just a pity and ironic that someone with such a strong desire to create a more just society, will eventually be rejected and ridiculed by that very same society. No co-incidence then that his initials are JC eh? Exactly and it makes utter hypocrites out of all who degrade him. They will get what they have asked for in return. Sad times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Exactly and it makes utter hypocrites out of all who degrade him. They will get what they have asked for in return. Sad times. All one can do, despite the odds, is rely on the electorate asking themselves as to why the establishment/media/right wing so critical of him, and look beyond his "personna" (as portrayed) to his principles and vision. We won't know till election time, that's if the right of his party let him get that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I do find myself asking the same questions. It's like when I hear that the Government controls the media, the media may be left or right leaning but that doesn't equate to Government control. It's the other way round bristol, the media control the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 There's a zone in Guangzhou, I'll try and find a link for it.It holds recycling bits...everything and anything you can think of. They walk the streets collecting rubbish, scrap, copper, iron, cans, bottles, rubber, plastics, bicycle wheels and parts, engine blocks, old moped engines from now banned machines, it's astounding. Whole garages full of every type and size of screw or nail you can think of. They collect from the streets and tie to carts to wheel it back for sorting out, selling on, returning, melting, shredding. Hundreds of lock up garages, open to the air for anyone to go in and browse. You stick something outside, somebody will make use of it. My dad said it reminded him of old streets in Birmingham's Jewellery and Gun Quarters, the "city of a thousand trades". He said "so this is where it moved to". Fascinating stuff. Sadly, with 17 million people living there it's not enough, so the Government is now paying companies to recycle properly and creating huge industry out of it, so traditional ways will disappear. As for pensions, my mum and dad go there often to visit grandkids and are treated far better than they get treated in the UK. We were standing at Macau immigration after getting off the hovercraft and some official came marching up, pulled them out the queue and marched them straight through to the front and through the gate. They never pay for a bus trip, ever. Younger people will stand back and wait for all the old people to get on, and none of them pay. It took my dad 7 years to go there because he thought it would be like a Triad movie, now he goes for 3 months at a time, takes the kid to school, goes shopping, walks around nodding at people and really loves it. He can't speak a bloody word of Cantonese, but he feels very safe there. It's weird how things can actually be not what you're led to expect. It's not like that for everybody because some people fall on hard times as they do everywhere, but you might be right in thinking that the Chinese always expect Western media organisations to paint a bad picture of them, because that's what they usually try and do. The two men in China series was good. They weren't trying to paint a bad picture of China, they showed the good and the bad. They had on guys who had made millions from property development, one who didn't know how many Ferraris he had. But they also showed the pollution, the rivers that only a few years ago had provided good fishing and a job for a lot of people, now with dead fish floating about on the surface. They managed to interview, again in secret, a couple of guys working on a building site and they were allowed home once a year to see their families. Might be nice for your Dad as an older visitor with a bit of money able to support himself but I wouldn't like to be poor there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 The 80s were brilliant, never out of work, got married, rode motorbikes, went to more concerts than I can remember, the music was fantastic everything from Bon Jovi to Pink Floyd, the Eagles, Motorhead, Def Leppard, Meatloaf and endless others. It is definitely the decade that I look back on with the most fondness, what I remember of them anyway lol. It was all about having a good time, going down the pub, going to live music gigs, riding bikes every chance we had. Fanbloodytastic. I think the times when you were young, teens to late 20's, no worries, plenty of spare cash, holidays abroad with mates, girls, booze, are going to be remembered by anyone as brilliant, no matter when you grew up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Call the police perhaps? And sit round and wait for a while, in the meantime hope they don't attack the wife or kids. That's if they let you get to a phone of course. Just stop breaking in for a second while I ring the police please and if you don't mind wait for them to turn up before you beat the crap out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 And sit round and wait for a while, in the meantime hope they don't attack the wife or kids. That's if they let you get to a phone of course. Just stop breaking in for a second while I ring the police please and if you don't mind wait for them to turn up before you beat the crap out of me. I see what you mean. No need for the Police at all or the legal system. We can all just kill anyone we think may attack us or our families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 To all those banging on about him not singing GOD save the Queen...What did Jesus teach us about judging on appearances? Is a mans worth and character dictated by his appearance? If you dismiss this you dismiss the relevance of the anthem itself What value do words sang have if the words sang are meaningless??? Jesus was a character in a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Call the police perhaps? While I consider our Police to be the best in the world unless they are literally around the corner they won't be much use in the short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I see what you mean. No need for the Police at all or the legal system. We can all just kill anyone we think may attack us or our families. In fairness I don't think that is what Paul was saying at all. If someone broke into my house they wouldn't be walking out unassisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 But we have scales of penalties for criminal behaviour. If you are caught burgling, you are likely to be jailed for a bit, but they won't execute you. So why should you be able to execute an intruder (without even needing any judicial process) jut because you catch him or her in the act? Also worth reflecting that if burglars know they are at risk of being shot, they are more likely to go armed themselves and more likely to kill any occupants on sight. This is what happens invariably in South Africa and, to a lesser extent, in the USA. In South Africa, especially, people die for the sake of a few Rand. So people live, terrified, in fortified houses with barred windows and high walls strung with razor wire. Is that really the world we want to create for ourselves? To be fair I didn't say I would kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Yes, because that is a matter of personal choice. In this case, it looked like Mr Corbyn was being petulant and wearing a tie under sufferance. That's kinda what you might expect from a sixth former at a school speech day, but not the Leader of the Opposition at a church service. Exactly right, if he wants to be taken seriously he needs to sort himself out. I don't really care if he wants to walk everywhere and eat tofu but if he aspires to being PM he needs to at least try and look the part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Just spoke to my Dad who is a socialist at heart and trade union man but married to a true blue. He says he feels torn. Said that the Islamaphobia has reached epic proportions because there are radicals sitting outside the mosques handing out leaflets and police do nothing (can't act, no laws broken) There's a lot of fear. He says he doesn't agree with Corbyns policies and says older he gets more cynical he gets; he agrees a lot of Corbyns policies are common sense and visionary but feels not workable in 21st century....we're too far gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Jesus was a character in a book. I trust you are not such a hypocrite as to sing the Anthem then? If you do you may as well sing the wheels on the bus for all the meaning behind it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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