bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I trust you are not such a hypocrite as to sing the Anthem then? If you do you may as well sing the wheels on the bus for all the meaning behind it... I absolutely sing it, not my fault is includes god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Just spoke to my Dad who is a socialist at heart and trade union man but married to a true blue. He says he feels torn. Said that the Islamaphobia has reached epic proportions because there are radicals sitting outside the mosques handing out leaflets and police do nothing (can't act, no laws broken) There's a lot of fear. He says he doesn't agree with Corbyns policies and says older he gets more cynical he gets; he agrees a lot of Corbyns policies are common sense and visionary but feels not workable in 21st century....we're too far gone. Islamaphobia has reached epic proportions? Where ? It has nothing to do with being too far gone, I hate that ridiculous view, it is because things have moved on. Unions thankfully no longer rule the roost and hold the country to ransom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I absolutely sing it, not my fault is includes god. :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I absolutely sing it, not my fault is includes god. You must really sing it with passion. Do you change the words to Dog save the Queen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Islamaphobia has reached epic proportions? Where ? It has nothing to do with being too far gone, I hate that ridiculous view, it is because things have moved on. Unions thankfully no longer rule the roost and hold the country to ransom. You can't argue with people's experience? I try not to anyway. Stoke is a hotbed of racial tension, like many other cities. I experienced the same when we were there but apparently has worsened. HQ of a lot of the far right extremist groups in Stoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 You must really sing it with passion. Do you change the words to Dog save the Queen? I have no problem with the word god, just another fictional character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 You can't argue with people's experience? I try not to anyway. Stoke is a hotbed of racial tension, like many other cities. I experienced the same when we were there but apparently has worsened. HQ of a lot of the far right extremist groups in Stoke. Yeah I suppose it's no different to Sydney or New York or Paris. I hate all cities equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piewie Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 He does not know the words for the National Anthem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 He does not know the words for the National Anthem! One of his long list of faults I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I have no problem with the word god, just another fictional character. So the Anthem is not based on fact then? Just a nice fictional tune? What meaning does it have for you then to sing it? I can't see how that would work for me, singing the words to something I didn't believe in and it stirring me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Islamaphobia has reached epic proportions? Where ? It has nothing to do with being too far gone, I hate that ridiculous view, it is because things have moved on. Unions thankfully no longer rule the roost and hold the country to ransom. No now its the banksters and financial institutions and those all power wielding cardboard cut cuts forever lurking behind the scenes and directing government thinking. Islamaphobia has indeed reached epic proportions. Another thing unheard of in the 70's and in a different context in the 80's . Of course fear was centred around the alleged Communist threat in those days. Always requires someone to hate to keep the wheels turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 So the Anthem is not based on fact then? Just a nice fictional tune? What meaning does it have for you then to sing it? I can't see how that would work for me, singing the words to something I didn't believe in and it stirring me? You'd have to be a relic of the 19 century to find anything about that stirring. Positively awful beside the anthems of Germany/France/Russia/South Africa/USA/ the ones I know that spring to mind. Imagine the embarrassment singing after a person not a nation? Seriously laughable in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Yeah I suppose it's no different to Sydney or New York or Paris. I hate all cities equally. But there is no doubt a price to pay 'going bush' for too long an extended period. The world tends to pass by un noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 You'd have to be a relic of the 19 century to find anything about that stirring. Positively awful beside the anthems of Germany/France/Russia/South Africa/USA/ the ones I know that spring to mind. Imagine the embarrassment singing after a person not a nation? Seriously laughable in 2015. I know, I can't get my head around people getting so uppity about it not being sung when they don't believe in it anyway?? Its just another 'societal norm' that people think they must adhere to. It doesn't represent respect one iota, no more so than standing in respectful silence it's all quite meaningless really. It's all really a lot of man made constructs that have no basis in rational thinking....but people go with it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I absolutely sing it, not my fault is includes god. But your choice of song certainly is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 You can't argue with people's experience? I try not to anyway. Stoke is a hotbed of racial tension, like many other cities. I experienced the same when we were there but apparently has worsened. HQ of a lot of the far right extremist groups in Stoke. Always those looking to take advantage of a situation for their own particular nasty reasons. Never been different. Just I'm a little scared how many question those reasons anymore. Or just follow the drum beat. Anyone who doesn't immediately sus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Actually, all of them. Suits were part of every wardrobe in the 1910s. Actually, a remembrance service is not the time or place to be making statements. As at/in any place of worship come as you are in a suit or normal civvies and treat the event with respect. Nobody has any right to ask for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) HappyHeart he looks anything but smart and well turned out. In fact, exactly the opposite is true. He looks fine to me. Does somehow dressing in a suit in your book make him more respectable. Is a suite smart? Edited September 18, 2015 by flag of convenience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 He looks fine to me. Does somehow dressing in a suite in your book make him more respectable. Is a suite smart? A lounge suite ?? :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) I think it goes deeper than that. I think it's about the inherent contradiction of a person espousing revolutionary socialism and holding a public office. There is going to be a conflict between the public role and the private belief. People like Jeremy Corbyn are necessary in society to provide challenge to the establishment, adopt causes, press for change, make people think. But sometimes they don't translate well into positions of authority. It is not that the press is trying to make him look ridiculous, it is that the situation in which he has found himself is inherently ridiculous. To my mind, the remembrance service is a good illustration that Corbyn is not going to be able to reconcile himself to the role. I think there is nothing wrong with wearing civvies. It is time the establishment came down a notch to a level at least closer to the people. That is exactly what Corbyn and others want to emulate in Greece and Spain. I think it translates perfectly. I have said on numerous occasions the system has run its course and needs a change. I cannot fathom why a suit should suggest respect rather than contrary. More rogues, psychopaths, sociopaths, fraudsters, bankers, used car salesmen, real estate spruikers, pretenders and out right criminals getting about in suites than you could poke a stick at. Edited September 18, 2015 by flag of convenience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 But there is no doubt a price to pay 'going bush' for too long an extended period. The world tends to pass by un noticed. I hate the bush just as much so no danger of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Flag, the word is suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 But your choice of song certainly is. I didn't choose it, I would sooner it was Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 A lounge suite ?? :laugh: I'd say the Swedish entry looked far more fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I didn't choose it, I would sooner it was Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory. Jerusalem would probably be my choice, although only for England obviously. But really I'd find it embarrassing to sing God Save the Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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