Work is getting harder to find

[scuffythetugboat]

That's just the start. Flooding the job market as has been done with see costs (wages) furthering downwards. Expect a lot of changes when the next lot get in.

 

If Abbot and Co. do get in you can guarantee working people will be in for a rough ride. Employers are happy to see an over supply of prospective employees as they can offer lower wages and reduced conditions. Workers compensation will be one of their targets along with penalty rates. You'll probably end up paying for your flight to your FIFO job as well (don't laugh). Sack'em O'Farrell the NSW Premier has shown the way of things to come.

 

As regards to Seek, I've said before that the only jobs worth applying for are the ones that appear today. They are usually snapped up but the advertiser doesn't remove the ad because they don't have to. Seek remove them automatically after one month. If the job is still available the ad will reappear.

[flybyknight]

It is quiet out there at the moment. Personally I feel that the visa system is one of the main issues. What's the point in coming over here as say an engineer but no one tracks what job you actually do when you get here. So how do they know there's a skills shortage when it's based on applicants chosen trade and not what they actually end up working as when here.

 

true true, i was sponsored here by the state of Victoria to fix their planes.... thing is tax breaks have moved lots of said planes to Brisbane.

I've been working casual, and half heartedly searching for the last 6 months. i hope to start a 6 month contract next month building cars. not the dream job, and certainly not what i was sponsored for, however its in Victoria so half way there.

i phoned the migration guys and they have no problems with me working interstate if a job isn't available. so that's a relief.

don't come on over thinking it will all be rosy though, sometimes its not.

i seem to hear more and more, stories like mine.

the bottom line is, if you are willing to work, in a different industry, for less money than you hoped for, but still have a fun life here in Australia, you'll be fine.

lower the sights a little, that way you wont be disappointed, and if you do land the dream position, then its all good!

[Jake max]

I have been here two months and no job yes that's right no job after 18 months of trying for a visa selling the house and spending a fortune to get to perth no one will offer me a job applied for more than 30 jobs on all different sites plus paper and interviews its not the start I thought it would be

[Jake max]

It is quiet out there at the moment. Personally I feel that the visa system is one of the main issues. What's the point in coming over here as say an engineer but no one tracks what job you actually do when you get here. So how do they know there's a skills shortage when it's based on applicants chosen trade and not what they actually end up working as when here.

Yep could not of said it better this skill select is no different ,it does not match what is happening in the job market this system is no better than previous ones.

[Diane]

At the present time we are down by the head with teachers, nurses, medical scientists and they are coming out of the universities in droves and there will be no jobs for them. They were saying recently that there are no jobs around for radiographers and the like. Yet Aus keeps on importing people to do these jobs, obviously Canberra is off the radar to the local jobs market.

 

You wouldn't believe the stick I got for daring to say the same on Poms in Adelaide! Mind you, I may have made things a teensy bit worse by suggesting it was time to stop bringing in so many migrants when there aren't enough jobs to go round the people that are already here - which of course meant I was just being selfish and stopping otheres enjoying the life I already have!

[newjez]

You know things are really bad when an agent calls you and says - 'so is there much work on where you are now? By the way - is your boss still Jim Smith ...'

 

Jobsites are always a bit hit and miss. I remember doing an interview once. I spent the whole day there, met everyone, they even took me to lunch. I thought I can't fail to get this job. We got on so well. Turns out there was no job. The agent called them and said they had someone with the rare skill set they use. They said they would interview out of courtesy - but no job existed. (The was a slim possibility of one in the future). I've done this several times where companies are short listing for projects that never happen.

 

​ Frustrating.

[flag of convenience]

If Abbot and Co. do get in you can guarantee working people will be in for a rough ride. Employers are happy to see an over supply of prospective employees as they can offer lower wages and reduced conditions. Workers compensation will be one of their targets along with penalty rates. You'll probably end up paying for your flight to your FIFO job as well (don't laugh). Sack'em O'Farrell the NSW Premier has shown the way of things to come.

 

As regards to Seek, I've said before that the only jobs worth applying for are the ones that appear today. They are usually snapped up but the advertiser doesn't remove the ad because they don't have to. Seek remove them automatically after one month. If the job is still available the ad will reappear.

 

That is beyond doubt. I expect assaults on welfare during times of fewer job options and increased competition. Abbott if wins by the margin expected may even call another electon to ram home a business inspired work place agenda.

He has said he won't bring back Work Choices during his first term,so providing he's a man of his word that could be a tactic.It may well be too difficult for him to hold back the right of the party, the neo liberals who hold some fairly nasty agendas.

[flag of convenience]

I have been here two months and no job yes that's right no job after 18 months of trying for a visa selling the house and spending a fortune to get to perth no one will offer me a job applied for more than 30 jobs on all different sites plus paper and interviews its not the start I thought it would be

 

That is a longtime. Hopefully things will look up in your case. My feeling is tough times ahead. I hope for the sake of all immigration is pruned back in these circumstances but the onus is on reducing rather substantially, the cost of labour.

[nicolac34]

It's very very hard out there especially in Perth where the misconception is that there's loads of work for those that want it. My husband has just managed to get a 6 month contract after 8 months of nothing - 6 interviews in that time, most of those didn't get the final authorisation to actually employ anyone - so there was no job in reality. As it is he's had to take a $30k a year pay cut and do something vaguely related to what he's experienced & qualified to do. The worry is that in 5 months time we're going to be back to square one again.

[wisey26]

Wow! Possibly the most depressing thread I've read on PIO ever! Some professions must have it pretty good though...what about doctors? I've never read of doctors struggling to find work on PIO or in the media. I don't even understand the English of my doctor half the time. Maybe that can be the ray of light in this thread - if you are a doctor - its all good - come on over to OZ! :-)

[tayloal]

Worrying, really worrying! When i/if i get my visa i may have to activate it and sit on it for a while !!

Not the start i was after!

[Guest chris955]

Its just the reality of the current situation, of course some would rather it was talked about but the reality is its getting tough out there. It doesnt mean there arent jobs because of course there are but it is harder than it was even a year ago.

[Sammy1]

I feel sorry for the vast number of teachers coming over here believing that there is an abundance of work, this is simply not the case.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/millions-wasted-training-teachers/story-fn59nlz9-1226605045315

[VERYSTORMY]

I feel sorry for the vast number of teachers coming over here believing that there is an abundance of work, this is simply not the case.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/millions-wasted-training-teachers/story-fn59nlz9-1226605045315

 

Wow. I knew there were issues and that a lot of migrants would have to look t jobs in regional areas, but didnt think it was that bad

[newjez]

Understanding your doctor and vice versa is fairly important. Have you thought about getting a different one?

 

Wow! Possibly the most depressing thread I've read on PIO ever! Some professions must have it pretty good though...what about doctors? I've never read of doctors struggling to find work on PIO or in the media. I don't even understand the English of my doctor half the time. Maybe that can be the ray of light in this thread - if you are a doctor - its all good - come on over to OZ! :-)

[Sammy1]

Wow. I knew there were issues and that a lot of migrants would have to look t jobs in regional areas, but didnt think it was that bad

 

 

To be honest, if a teacher has a secure permanent job in the UK then they would be mad to come over here unless they have a firm offer already. However, people need to follow their dreams and take a chance I guess, so being prepared for the reality and ready for a hard slog to get a job is better than believing it will be easy.

[wisey26]

Not really because in my local medical centre they are all from Bangladesh, Iraq and other exotic places, and his English is the best out of the lot. He is from Bangladesh and I always understand him eventually, sometimes it just takes lots of repetition and him speaking slowly before I get it because his accent is so strong. I like him, he is a nice guy and he generally knows his stuff as far as the few issues I've had to deal with this year are concerned. I've always found the medical system in OZ (or Melbourne to be specific ) strange...at the local medical centres I've been to, the docs mostly seem to be from these 3rd world or war torn places or countries where there is conflict, but I was admitted to the Royal Melbourne Hospital confined to a bed and a drip for 3 weeks in Feb and all the doctors and specialists i saw were white, Australian, well spoken and seemed to know much more. It also appears in my experience that the hospitals have higher standards ( I am referring to English language skills and subject knowledge here of course, not nationality or race which naturally is totally irrelevant) than the medical centres. I also found it curious that in the medical centres I never saw a single white doctor but in the hospitals I never saw any non-white doctors. It may just be coincidence of course. If there is a nurse or doctor who reads this maybe they can enlighten me.

[Guest chris955]

Wow. I knew there were issues and that a lot of migrants would have to look t jobs in regional areas, but didnt think it was that bad

 

​Those stats are incredible but still people will be told it will be fine.

[wisey26]

I think it is also important in the interests of balance and accuracy to note that it is not ALL bad. In secondary school teaching for example Maths, French and other languages teachers generally don't have problems finding work quickly, though it is bad for almost everyone else in the profession. There is also tons of work available for chefs all over Australia. In IT although I respect what others have said in this forum about how tough is, I also regularly read in the newspapers about managers in this industry complaining of shortages of staff, and if anyone doubts this I can post links confirming this. Mining I know little about, but there is so much conflicting information in the media about it...some papers say Gina is handing out 457's like they are freebies because she can't find the skills here in OZ, others (most) say the industry is finished, and I am inclined to believe the latter. The moral of my story is if anyone reading this thread is totally put off coming here by all this doom and gloom I urge you to look into your specific circumstances am talk to people who know about your specific profession...while its good to know of the pitfalls outlined here, you may be pleasantly surprised by the truth.

[Guest chris955]

I truthfully dont see doom and gloom in this thread, I see reality to be honest. Also in fairness noone is saying its all bad only that it is getting noticeably tougher.

[wisey26]

Homewardbound588 can you honestly tell me that after reading Red Rose's post for example that you fail to see doom and gloom? That post says more than 'its getting tougher out there" it is pure doom and gloom. Flybyknight says he was "half heartedly" searching for work for 6 months and was unsuccessful - is it therefore fair to pass judgement on a job market on that basis? There are some great posts in this thread like the ones by VERYSTORMY which...to me at least...seem much more realistic about the "tough market" but there is also a lot of doom and gloom type posts too.

 

I am also in agreement with VERYSTORMY about the lack of quality education students are flocking to, especially in the UK. At my grammar school where I taught for 7 years in the UK before coming to OZ, year after year A level classes in 'sexy trendy' subjects like "media studies" and "film studies" ( subjects many Russell group universities do not respect, let alone employers) were packed to the rafters with students. Class sizes averaging 30-32 to a class. All watching films and writing and discussing them in lessons. And yet in physics, maths, languages, chemistry and english teachers were lucky to get even half those numbers. On the BBC last week there was an article about a new degree course in "Heavy Metal" that's proving to be quite popular. Petals, could you see the usefulness of such a degree? These hugely popular subjects are not viewed seriously by employers, and then graduates wonder why they are unemployed. James Dyson repeatedly complained year after year in the press that he had to recruit many. staff from overseas because there were not enough skilled scientists and engineers in the UK. If it is the same here it's no wonder many graduates can't get work.

[newjez]

Will that change now they are paying nine grand a year in fees?

​

Homewardbound588 can you honestly tell me that after reading Red Rose's post for example that you fail to see doom and gloom? That post says more than 'its getting tougher out there" it is pure doom and gloom. Flybyknight says he was "half heartedly" searching for work for 6 months and was unsuccessful - is it therefore fair to pass judgement on a job market on that basis? There are some great posts in this thread like the ones by VERYSTORMY which...to me at least...seem much more realistic about the "tough market" but there is also a lot of doom and gloom type posts too.

 

I am also in agreement with VERYSTORMY about the lack of quality education students are flocking to, especially in the UK. At my grammar school where I taught for 7 years in the UK before coming to OZ, year after year A level classes in 'sexy trendy' subjects like "media studies" and "film studies" ( subjects many Russell group universities do not respect, let alone employers) were packed to the rafters with students. Class sizes averaging 30-32 to a class. All watching films and writing and discussing them in lessons. And yet in physics, maths, languages, chemistry and english teachers were lucky to get even half those numbers. On the BBC last week there was an article about a new degree course in "Heavy Metal" that's proving to be quite popular. Petals, could you see the usefulness of such a degree? These hugely popular subjects are not viewed seriously by employers, and then graduates wonder why they are unemployed. James Dyson repeatedly complained year after year in the press that he had to recruit many. staff from overseas because there were not enough skilled scientists and engineers in the UK. If it is the same here it's no wonder many graduates can't get work.

[wolvesaussie]

Its not all doom and gloom, I have got myself a job back in Melbourne as an SQL Developer from the UK, I applied for about 10 jobs, interviewed for 4 and got one. Took about 2 months, looking at Seek just picking the jobs that were not from agencies as they more likely to be real and more likely to be open minded to an overseas candidate. So from my point of view, it was pretty easy... though it was equally easy in the UK as I applied for jobs here too for interview practice and got offered a simular job locally in the West midlands.

[Wellers and Whitehead]

I have been here two months and no job yes that's right no job after 18 months of trying for a visa selling the house and spending a fortune to get to perth no one will offer me a job applied for more than 30 jobs on all different sites plus paper and interviews its not the start I thought it would be

I'm sure you were the person I advised to not sell your house?? Can't remember your situation now..it takes time to get

Job..took me 3 months to get a crap job that I was doing 18 years ago..after 17 months I have a job, not ideal but it's a job. Never out of work in UK, doing jobs I actually wanted, so very frustrating! Keep at it.

[WeegieDave]

It's nowhere as doom and gloom as certain posters on this thread are making out. Sure, the market is getting tougher and it is tighter than than previous years but that happens and VS makes some valid points when speaking about the mining industry.

I have spoken to a good few immigrants in my career field who came over here in 2008 and said it was desperate trying to get a job the a year later everything ramped up again. Certain people on this thread whether they attempt to act a neutral or not would take great satisfaction in watching Australia go into recession. They are easy to see through.

 

I have said previously, there may not be a boom but it's certainly not bust!