VERYSTORMY Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I am hearing this a lot from friends now and seeing it increasingly on posts in here. http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/17224312/jobseeker-yet-to-strike-it-lucky/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chortlepuss Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 In my experience, it's highly skilled people like the guy featured who are especially struggling. Fewer roles, more candidates, but also an inability to consider anyone who's willing to take more junior work. As an IT PM, I applied for a project officer role - interesting enough and I'd have done a good job. Was told by agency 'I don't think that would be a good career move for you' At my age, career moves are not high priority but feeding my kids is!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 It must depend a lot on the sector. I get a feed from seek on IT jobs, and it's been pretty consistent. (It did go quiet a couple of months back) In my experience, it's highly skilled people like the guy featured who are especially struggling. Fewer roles, more candidates, but also an inability to consider anyone who's willing to take more junior work. As an IT PM, I applied for a project officer role - interesting enough and I'd have done a good job. Was told by agency 'I don't think that would be a good career move for you' At my age, career moves are not high priority but feeding my kids is!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 There have been lots of posts about apparent jobs on Seek not actually existing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82rhoads Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Hi, this is a worry as we've just booked our flights. I've been reading the West Australian on-line and been getting job feeds from the west Australian and there seems to be work in my trade but not in the abundance there was when we were over there a year and a half ago. I guess it depends what industry you're in and it does appear the mining is slowing down so things are getting tighter and more selective, hence..' WA experience' only! Although, saying that, i was talking to my relatives in Perth last week and they hadn't heard about the 'wa experience' that much ,so is it just a way of saying politely no! A 112 migrants a day is a huge amount though and I'm glad we've got somewhere to stay when we first arrive....they said the bubble would burst just hope it's not as my plane lands!! Cheers, Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 My industry is definatly suffering - mining. At the moment it reminds of the dead parrot sketch. Goverment / commentators being the shop keeper and those of in the game being the guy with the parrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Its stunned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeegieDave Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 My industry is definatly suffering - mining. At the moment it reminds of the dead parrot sketch. Goverment / commentators being the shop keeper and those of in the game being the guy with the parrot. Mining is suffering without a doubt but all the Geo's I know have managed to stay in a job. Still seems to be plenty of exploration works going out out there at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 Mining is suffering without a doubt but all the Geo's I know have managed to stay in a job. Still seems to be plenty of exploration works going out out there at the moment. Would love to know where - i have mates with up to a dozen years experience looking for exploration roles. BHP are advertising for a role at Area C and have had 300 applicants. We recently interviewed for a Project Geo role for an assistant to myself in Tanzania. Hays were able to give us 20 candidates, without advertising. Interviewed 8 - all with good experience and 6 were unemployed. Newcrest laid off 150 geo's last month - i would have been one if i hadnt seen it coming and jumped ship. Newmont have laid geo's off, Rio has laid off a bucket full. There is almost no exploration going on - hence why 3 drilling companies have gone to the wall in the last couple of months and Boart have laid off most of their offsiders and using drillers as offsiders. My current drill company have a 50% rig utilisation - i have an RC and a diamond parked up here as the boss hopes we will find a use for them as they might as well be here as in the yard. The juniors cant raise funds as the banks dont want to know and the market is a no go. The majors are in lock down mode - BHP's announcement this week on exploration says it all. There will be no greenfield exploration budget for the coming year other than a tiny amount for copper in south america http://www.mining.com/bhp-billitons-disappearing-exploration-budget-43169/ Rio has yet to announce - but given it has just made nearly its entire targeting team redundant, it isnt going to be pretty! The gold guys are in panic mode at the current price - Telfer, Tropicana, Super Pit, to name just 3 of the biggest boys are not making money on the current price and the copper price is not helping. Barrick is in a worl of pain generally - mainly due to its own poor decisions and is going to have to feel some pain and cut losses pretty soon - starting with its Zambia project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeegieDave Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Fair play. I was only saying that the guys I know have stayed in work ok. You will obviously know more then me on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 Its the same as anything - some will be in work - i have mates that have never been out of work in mining in the UK. The problem a lot of Oz geo's are facing is that a lot of the work is moving overseas to places like Africa - costs are a lot lower and ground more prospective. But, most roles require international experience - i would not take on a geo here from Oz unless they had experience of working in a developing country and doing long rosters as have had too many bad experiences of people who find they cant do the roster or dont like being in a developing country or dont like working in a malaria area, or whose wives find they just cant live with the long time periods of seperation The problem is that the goverment just is not listening. I am no fan of Gina, but she does have a point when she says the goverment are using mining as an ATM. It is just being made too expensive and too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimoneAL Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 In my experience, it's highly skilled people like the guy featured who are especially struggling. Fewer roles, more candidates, but also an inability to consider anyone who's willing to take more junior work. As an IT PM, I applied for a project officer role - interesting enough and I'd have done a good job. Was told by agency 'I don't think that would be a good career move for you' At my age, career moves are not high priority but feeding my kids is!!! Although I was not an IT specialist, I had a similar experience moving to the UK. After 5 years and another relocation, I am still stuck in junior type of roles, been push back a few times when trying to land in better paid and less junior roles. What if I eventually move to OZ and I am forced to take another step back? Again? Being over 40 years old does not help, and in the meantime my past pm experience is getting older and less relevant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I have posted many times since I have been a member that construction is very very hard to get into. Its very much who you know, who knows your work, etc etc. My best friend's husband is a civil engineer and he has worked for so many different companies over the years. They fold and he is out of work and then someone finds out he is out of work, remembers the job he did and he gets another one, but who knows for how long. Its that type of industry. So its not really an indicator in my view of the job market. This is nothing new. We have been friends for a long long time and this has been their life. He has done some very big jobs here in Aus but does not save his bacon, he may be the last one out the door, but he is still out the door. There is a big problem everywhere with work I was listening to a BBC programme on the radio in the car today and they were talking about the graduates in the UK who have been looking for jobs for years, they had selected a few and they told their stories. They are no different to any stories I hear here in Aus. Our young people are not getting to even start to work which is awful as we are supposedly the people with advantage in the world. We are forgetting our young people and they are not going to take it lying down, we will have more social unrest, more crime, etc and its our fault for being so mean that we do not want to pay the taxes to modernise and invest in research etc. Underemployment is bad as well as it takes people off the books but they are still relevant in that they are not working as much as they want to. Our opposition leader is saying he will get rid of 20 thousand public servants, well that's nice for them and their families and if they retire they just go from paying tax to not paying. Today has been enlightening for me read another article about the Chinese not going to want as much coal in the future, and will be reducing as we are increasing our output. Why because as the Chinese lady said, even officials have to breathe and the pollution is becoming unbearable. So if they go nuclear it will be cleaner and our coal will just have stay in the ground. Its a problem the whole western world has, highly skilled people being churned out of universities and teaching institutions and there are no jobs for them. So guess we are going to have to have deep pockets in the future to pay people to stay at home which is already being done. So sad that greed has got us where it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 I do think there are issues with grads. Too many young people go into a uni course with little thought for what it will do for them afterwards. It might be really interesting to go to a backwoods uni and spend 3 years studying philosophy and having a great time in the bar. But, will it increase their employability? Probably not. There has been a big push in Oz and the UK to get more people to Uni and to some extent it has been justified in that both societies have shortages of highly trained people. The problem is that the courses are not in the areas that the demand for staff is in. Also, i hve met grads in both countries that have unrealistic expectations. They think they are worth a lot more money than they are - have had it with geology grads who think they are worth 150k a year on graduating, when the reality is, they are a liability for the first year or two as they need to undergo a lot of expensive training in industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I do think there are issues with grads. Too many young people go into a uni course with little thought for what it will do for them afterwards. It might be really interesting to go to a backwoods uni and spend 3 years studying philosophy and having a great time in the bar. But, will it increase their employability? Probably not. There has been a big push in Oz and the UK to get more people to Uni and to some extent it has been justified in that both societies have shortages of highly trained people. The problem is that the courses are not in the areas that the demand for staff is in. Also, i hve met grads in both countries that have unrealistic expectations. They think they are worth a lot more money than they are - have had it with geology grads who think they are worth 150k a year on graduating, when the reality is, they are a liability for the first year or two as they need to undergo a lot of expensive training in industry We have to have free thinkers in the world and some of the courses that people poo ha are not easy to pass. Because of the content its not actually set in stone like a science degree etc. So they are very good employees to have because they have the skills that more practical people lack. At the present time we are down by the head with teachers, nurses, medical scientists and they are coming out of the universities in droves and there will be no jobs for them. They were saying recently that there are no jobs around for radiographers and the like. Yet Aus keeps on importing people to do these jobs, obviously Canberra is off the radar to the local jobs market. I agree that some graduates have expectations but the majority just want to work. My daughter worked in a pub until she found a job, my some worked in a Video Shop. He is lucky because he was prepared to do the hard yards to get where he wanted to be. The blame also has to be with the parents, we are cradle to the grave looking after people, and some parents will not let their children move away and get a job where there is a job. So its very difficult. My daughter had chicken pox when she had to enroll at Uni and I had to go and do it for her. I was amazed at the mums taking their little kiddies along to the uni to enroll. After she did her first degree and then she was doing post grad at a university in another place and she had no transport so I took her. I just sat in the coffee shop and she was amazed again at the parents, not letting their children speak doing it all for them, at the uni. No independence. So these children are told by Mum you deserve this and that and of course work is not like that. We employed a young lass one time a trainee. Her mum used to hide round the corner and everytime when she was pulled up for something or another she would phone her and she would come into the office to sort us out. This lass did not last long lol. So there are many many problems and unfortunately its not getting any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Its the same as anything - some will be in work - i have mates that have never been out of work in mining in the UK. The problem a lot of Oz geo's are facing is that a lot of the work is moving overseas to places like Africa - costs are a lot lower and ground more prospective. But, most roles require international experience - i would not take on a geo here from Oz unless they had experience of working in a developing country and doing long rosters as have had too many bad experiences of people who find they cant do the roster or dont like being in a developing country or dont like working in a malaria area, or whose wives find they just cant live with the long time periods of seperation The problem is that the goverment just is not listening. I am no fan of Gina, but she does have a point when she says the goverment are using mining as an ATM. It is just being made too expensive and too hard. Costs would never be low enough to appease the likes of Gina Rhinehardt. An arguement can just as easily be made that too little was taken from the massive profits made during the height of the boom. Too late and to little to show for one of the nations biggest booms in its history. No future fund invested for the future. Lost oppurtunities and waste. The writing has been on the wall for sometime.So much for the end of the boom bust cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Although I was not an IT specialist, I had a similar experience moving to the UK. After 5 years and another relocation, I am still stuck in junior type of roles, been push back a few times when trying to land in better paid and less junior roles. What if I eventually move to OZ and I am forced to take another step back? Again? Being over 40 years old does not help, and in the meantime my past pm experience is getting older and less relevant... Sadly so. Don't expect OZ to be any different. Age does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Just wondering how long it will be before a downward push on wages in Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chortlepuss Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Sadly so. Don't expect OZ to be any different. Age does matter. I gave up on Seek a while ago - largely time wasting agencies. The only jobs I've ever got in IT in Brisbane is through contacts. IMHO Australia is ageist , and there is a preference for younger candidates with less experience as they are often seen as less threatening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chortlepuss Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Just wondering how long it will be before a downward push on wages in Australia? Been happening for a while in Brisbane IT contracting. Rates way down. Experienced BA friends on around $450 to $500 a day. Not bad money, but way down from even a year ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 Seeing it in mining now as well. Have to admit i have been part of it - the hire we recently did, we discussed the fact beforehand that we can simply afford to pay a fair bit less. We offered about 15% less than we would have got away with a year ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensdad Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 It is quiet out there at the moment. Personally I feel that the visa system is one of the main issues. What's the point in coming over here as say an engineer but no one tracks what job you actually do when you get here. So how do they know there's a skills shortage when it's based on applicants chosen trade and not what they actually end up working as when here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutokwa Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Hi, It's not only mining.I'm an Intensive Care nurse,very experienced and has been looking for job in the healthcare sector and so far nil. The bubble has probably burst. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 The Australian job market is dead at the moment and there's far too many migrants flooding into the country with unrealistic expectations of getting work. My impression is the UK market is beginning to pick up whereas Australia is going the other way. There is no way I would be moving to Australia now, unless I had a job lined up beforehand, and even then I would still be worried. People need to realise, right now Australia is in a lot of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Been happening for a while in Brisbane IT contracting. Rates way down. Experienced BA friends on around $450 to $500 a day. Not bad money, but way down from even a year ago That's just the start. Flooding the job market as has been done with see costs (wages) furthering downwards. Expect a lot of changes when the next lot get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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