bristolman Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ferrets said: However cities like Barcelona and Paris do zero for me or my family...... Conversely for us we can be in Auckland in 3 hours from where we are and the kids are far happier on a trip to NZ than Europe All that shows is there is no one size fits all. We are going to Barcelona this summer, I have been promising my wife for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ferrets said: However cities like Barcelona and Paris do zero for me or my family...... Conversely for us we can be in Auckland in 3 hours from where we are and the kids are far happier on a trip to NZ than Europe Auckland over Europe ...o.k enough said 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrets Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: Auckland over Europe ...o.k enough said But did you read the bit around what made the kids happier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Ferrets said: But did you read the bit around what made the kids happier? fair enough ...if that's your opinion . regardless debate over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Ferrets said: However cities like Barcelona and Paris do zero for me or my family...... Conversely for us we can be in Auckland in 3 hours from where we are and the kids are far happier on a trip to NZ than Europe with all due respect , if your kids were Brought up in oz ....how do you know that they prefer n.z to europe ?..???.....still we could go on and on.. debate over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMG Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 On 08/03/2018 at 00:44, Johndoe said: What a load of bollox. Their own personal frustrations are placed higher on the scale of what this web site is about? It's about imparting fair and unbiased information to potential migrants and returnees. Of course, you are one of those apologists for those who are bitter and twisted about their experiences, and hopefully, any newcomers to the form will see through the chaff. It's be a freezing day in hell when any returnees would ever post something similar to your above when someone wanted to ping pong back to Oz Just had to quote this to get Johndoe name on it, your photos are stunning. They make me excited about our impending return to the misty mountains of the lakes and Scotland. I am sure however once we get home we will miss the flora and fauna of Australia. Regarding the topic , it’s all in the individuals perception. The first time I lived in Australia, I hated it with a passion, had Australian friends , immersed myself in the community, travelled as a family for 10 months doing and seeing lots but I was always desperate to return to the UK, Europe etc and was very negative about Australia ( not Australians as my friends kept me sane). This time round I am sad to leave, happy and to be returning home to the UK to be with family and the UK countryside and history - not the political climate though! I will miss our friends here, the countryside, the ease of travel and the easier working conditions. Happy to be going home, glad we had the adventure, I don’t feel we have failed by returning. We have done and seen lots , given our kids experiences ( we are backpacking round Thailand on our way home). Life is for living, trying not to cause harm and being happy. Your photos Johndoe show that both countries are beautiful and unique in their own way. It does not matter which one is best both have their positives and negatives but we are lucky to have the choice of relatively decent countries so we should just enjoy them. For the record the Aussie Kids I know are just as happy. / unhappy as the British kids of the same age. As long as my kids get through their teenage years unscathed in whichever country I will be happy. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Ferrets said: Out of curiosity why does Perth seem to drive the most negative reactions from those leaving to return to the UK? I get Melbourne and Sydney where people have come on an adventure rather than permanently migrate, but there seems a real bitterness about Perth where people have moved with families - and a lot of comments that simply don't match with my experiences since we arrived in Brisbane (though we are still two year noobs) What's the reason? And why do so many move to Perth in the first place? It has a reputation for being boring. I don't know because I've never been but a lot of people say this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrets Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, bunbury61 said: with all due respect , if your kids were Brought up in oz ....how do you know that they prefer n.z to europe ?..???.....still we could go on and on.. debate over My kids, although young were born in the UK and travelled a lot in Europe before we moved so they do have memories and thoughts of what were their favourites. At the moment NZ tops the list, so works out well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 5 hours ago, bunbury61 said: agreed Ali .....but ....and it is a big but .....my two are 10 mins from the airport and a 40 quid flight from barcelona , berlin or most other places in Europe . its actually cheaper , and almost as quick as the train to London My daughter went to Europe for her 21st birthday, whilst I agree it's cheaper, not everyone wants to 'do Europe' .. from what I see, a lot (not all) of people use the cheapness for boozy weekends away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Ferrets said: Out of curiosity why does Perth seem to drive the most negative reactions from those leaving to return to the UK? I get Melbourne and Sydney where people have come on an adventure rather than permanently migrate, but there seems a real bitterness about Perth where people have moved with families - and a lot of comments that simply don't match with my experiences since we arrived in Brisbane (though we are still two year noobs) What's the reason? And why do so many move to Perth in the first place? I think before it outpriced itself there was a higher proportion of Brits settling in Perth. You will find a lot of negative posts - some from people who have lived here and some from people who haven't. There's much more to WA than just Perth .. but it's a bit like Marmite .. you either seem to love it or hate it. Our reason for choosing Perth - the more Mediterranean type climate suited us. Ironically, we'd actually never been to WA - we'd visited Sydney, Cairns and Brisbane on holiday when at that point we'd not even been contemplating migration. For us, it's been a great move, the kids have done well, they're happy and we're content with our lot at the moment. As RMG says .. we're just happy that our two have got through to early adult hood and it's been relatively painless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ferrets said: Out of curiosity why does Perth seem to drive the most negative reactions from those leaving to return to the UK? What's the reason? And why do so many move to Perth in the first place? Why do people move to Perth in the first place? One possible reason - Perth was a huge destination for British (especially Scottish) migrants in the days of the 10 pound Pom, and their success has become folklore in the UK. Before I migrated 30 years ago, I spent the last few weeks at work introducing a new security system, photographing every employee. Of course they all wanted to know why the boss's secretary was doing the job, and when I told them I was going to Australia, almost every employee had a relative or friend who'd moved to Perth and made their fortune. In reality they probably hadn't, but to a Scot, a free-standing house with a big backyard and a pool looks like a castle! Of course that was a long time ago, but these stories do get passed down in families. Even my young niece knows about her great-uncle and -aunt who went to Perth with nothing and built a construction empire. I also know my auntie was part of a large Scottish community in Perth - whereas if you go to other cities in Australia, you'll struggle to find active Scottish or Irish or Welsh clubs. And maybe that's one possible reason for the negative reactions to Perth! After all, if you move to a new city and surround yourself with fellow Brits, you're likely to spend your time recalling the home country (in rosy terms) and commiserating with each other on the problems in your new home. That skews your perspective, and can prevent you ever feeling truly at home. Edited March 9, 2018 by Marisawright 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandgroper Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Ferrets said: Out of curiosity why does Perth seem to drive the most negative reactions from those leaving to return to the UK? I get Melbourne and Sydney where people have come on an adventure rather than permanently migrate, but there seems a real bitterness about Perth where people have moved with families - and a lot of comments that simply don't match with my experiences since we arrived in Brisbane (though we are still two year noobs) What's the reason? And why do so many move to Perth in the first place? I think because so many Brits do move to Perth and make a successful move the ones that are not successful feel a sense of failure in themselves and just have to blame anything but themselves for it not working out! You can tell the bitterness in them from there posts on here and then others that have had unsuccessful moves to elsewhere in Australia just jump on the bandwagon as they have that sense of failure deep down and it's easier to do a bit of Perth bashing than look at themselves and why it didn't all work out for them. As to why so many move here....because it's a great place to live and work and offers a fantastic lifestyle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 7 hours ago, ali said: My daughter went to Europe for her 21st birthday, whilst I agree it's cheaper, not everyone wants to 'do Europe' .. from what I see, a lot (not all) of people use the cheapness for boozy weekends away mine certainly DONT use it for boozy weekends away though . iam just saying , in my humble opinion ,oz is great for young children , but lacks when they get older . take my children , they are the youngest of the grandchildren , as the others are in oz . they have lost out materially ...houses etc , but have gained emotionally ...grandparents etc . but they have done substantially more in terms of travel and experience ,compared to their cousins at the same age . so much more . we have another European trip coming I the summer . if my youngest , just 18 , called it a day now ,her travel c.v would be impressive 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMG Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 12 hours ago, bristolman said: All that shows is there is no one size fits all. We are going to Barcelona this summer, I have been promising my wife for years. Love Barcelona, beach on one side, Gaudi architecture and parks, beware the ramblas the cost of drinks is prohibitive! Enjoy. As you so rightly stated we are all different and wouldn’t life be boring if we all liked the same thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKC Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 10 hours ago, RMG said: Just had to quote this to get Johndoe name on it, your photos are stunning. They make me excited about our impending return to the misty mountains of the lakes and Scotland. I am sure however once we get home we will miss the flora and fauna of Australia. Regarding the topic , it’s all in the individuals perception. The first time I lived in Australia, I hated it with a passion, had Australian friends , immersed myself in the community, travelled as a family for 10 months doing and seeing lots but I was always desperate to return to the UK, Europe etc and was very negative about Australia ( not Australians as my friends kept me sane). This time round I am sad to leave, happy and to be returning home to the UK to be with family and the UK countryside and history - not the political climate though! I will miss our friends here, the countryside, the ease of travel and the easier working conditions. Happy to be going home, glad we had the adventure, I don’t feel we have failed by returning. We have done and seen lots , given our kids experiences ( we are backpacking round Thailand on our way home). Life is for living, trying not to cause harm and being happy. Your photos Johndoe show that both countries are beautiful and unique in their own way. It does not matter which one is best both have their positives and negatives but we are lucky to have the choice of relatively decent countries so we should just enjoy them. For the record the Aussie Kids I know are just as happy. / unhappy as the British kids of the same age. As long as my kids get through their teenage years unscathed in whichever country I will be happy. We don't consider that we're failed migrants either. We went for an adventure, we had an adventure, now we're having another adventure. That said, we chose to move to a place in the UK that we've not lived in before (Scotland, funnily enough) so maybe it is easier for me to see it as another adventure than if we'd just gone back to Suffolk. I'm happy with the choices we've made in our lives. I think we could possibly have done with moving back to the UK slightly earlier than we did because the last two years were particularly hard for me, but who knows? Maybe I needed things to be hard, and it was that that made our move to Scotland a very positive one. The kids are happy, they love it here, and that is really what counts. We're just thinking of booking our first European holiday, and I can categorically state it won't be a boozy trip to the Costa del Sol! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toots Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, LKC said: We don't consider that we're failed migrants either. We went for an adventure, we had an adventure, now we're having another adventure. That said, we chose to move to a place in the UK that we've not lived in before (Scotland, funnily enough) so maybe it is easier for me to see it as another adventure than if we'd just gone back to Suffolk. I'm happy with the choices we've made in our lives. I think we could possibly have done with moving back to the UK slightly earlier than we did because the last two years were particularly hard for me, but who knows? Maybe I needed things to be hard, and it was that that made our move to Scotland a very positive one. The kids are happy, they love it here, and that is really what counts. We're just thinking of booking our first European holiday, and I can categorically state it won't be a boozy trip to the Costa del Sol! I really enjoy reading how happy you are in Scotland. As I've said before - best wee country in the world. Lots of people would argue with that but it's MY opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, LKC said: We don't consider that we're failed migrants either. We went for an adventure, we had an adventure, now we're having another adventure. That said, we chose to move to a place in the UK that we've not lived in before (Scotland, funnily enough) so maybe it is easier for me to see it as another adventure than if we'd just gone back to Suffolk. I'm happy with the choices we've made in our lives. I think we could possibly have done with moving back to the UK slightly earlier than we did because the last two years were particularly hard for me, but who knows? Maybe I needed things to be hard, and it was that that made our move to Scotland a very positive one. The kids are happy, they love it here, and that is really what counts. We're just thinking of booking our first European holiday, and I can categorically state it won't be a boozy trip to the Costa del Sol! ??...god bless you LKC .....can I recommend lake garda ? for your trip ....beautiful scenery , food , weather ....you can even get to Venice by train from garda 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, bunbury61 said: ??...god bless you LKC .....can I recommend lake garda ? for your trip ....beautiful scenery , food , weather ....you can even get to Venice by train from garda p.s its safe ....great for families....some great towns on the lake ....and NO NIGHTCLUBS ....so for a family holiday its ideal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, LKC said: We don't consider that we're failed migrants either. We went for an adventure, we had an adventure, now we're having another adventure. That said, we chose to move to a place in the UK that we've not lived in before (Scotland, funnily enough) so maybe it is easier for me to see it as another adventure than if we'd just gone back to Suffolk. I'm happy with the choices we've made in our lives. I think we could possibly have done with moving back to the UK slightly earlier than we did because the last two years were particularly hard for me, but who knows? Maybe I needed things to be hard, and it was that that made our move to Scotland a very positive one. The kids are happy, they love it here, and that is really what counts. We're just thinking of booking our first European holiday, and I can categorically state it won't be a boozy trip to the Costa del Sol! nowt wrong with the Costa del sol!! Seriously though Spain is a stunning country and there is so much more than Fuengirola and torremolinos. Just a few miles inland you have stunning unspoilt national parks, lakes, mountains and pains. An hour from marbs you have the stunning Tariffa. It has a lot to offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Toots said: I really enjoy reading how happy you are in Scotland. As I've said before - best wee country in the world. Lots of people would argue with that but it's MY opinion. I wouldn't argue with that ....wales too....parts of England ....and a lot of europe . that's why europe always has 5-6 places in the worlds top 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: p.s its safe ....great for families....some great towns on the lake ....and NO NIGHTCLUBS ....so for a family holiday its ideal oh , and the Italian lakes are used a lot in the new bond films .....garda and Como .....casino Royale and quantum of solace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, RMG said: Love Barcelona, beach on one side, Gaudi architecture and parks, beware the ramblas the cost of drinks is prohibitive! Enjoy. As you so rightly stated we are all different and wouldn’t life be boring if we all liked the same thing. Yes it's the architecture that my wife is interested in, she has wanted to see it for years. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toots Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: I wouldn't argue with that ....wales too....parts of England ....and a lot of europe . that's why europe always has 5-6 places in the worlds top 10 Italy would be my top choice in Europe - haven't been for about 10 years now though. I also like Germany especially the areas around Munich. Bamberg is a beautiful town in that region. Meanwhile I am very content here in Tassie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, LKC said: We don't consider that we're failed migrants either. We went for an adventure, we had an adventure, now we're having another adventure. That said, we chose to move to a place in the UK that we've not lived in before (Scotland, funnily enough) so maybe it is easier for me to see it as another adventure than if we'd just gone back to Suffolk. I'm happy with the choices we've made in our lives. I think we could possibly have done with moving back to the UK slightly earlier than we did because the last two years were particularly hard for me, but who knows? Maybe I needed things to be hard, and it was that that made our move to Scotland a very positive one. The kids are happy, they love it here, and that is really what counts. We're just thinking of booking our first European holiday, and I can categorically state it won't be a boozy trip to the Costa del Sol! Because it doesn't work out for some doesn't make them failures, it's a bit sad to refer to them in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, bunbury61 said: I wouldn't argue with that ....wales too....parts of England ....and a lot of europe . that's why europe always has 5-6 places in the worlds top 10 Yes not surprisingly it would definitely be England for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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