Skillselect ENS 186 Timeline

[adamhe]

Hi everyone,

I have been a silent reader on here for a while now. I received what I thought was going to be my 'Golden Phonecall' 2 days ago and with the risk of ridicule I just thought I would share my situation and ask for any advice....

short story I applied for my PR in December 17 I am currently on a 457 as a marketing specialist. My friend applied in November 17 and received PR June 18 working at the same company so I had a good feeling mine was due soon but having heard some horror stories on here I didn't want to count my chickens.

When I applied for my 457 the question any convictions came up. I have had 2 cautions in my life one 14 years ago for drunken disorderly (I'm from Newcastle it's a standard rap) and one 9 years ago for damaging property (again drunk put a cone on someone's car and scratched it) advice given at the time was don't mention it as they are cautions not convictions. When I applied for my PR these showed up on my police checks my MA said don't worry we will write a stat dec saying you misinterpreted conviction and caution and you are sorry, a different person etc (which is true I am 32 years old I have built a house here and have a Australian partner and son. I think in England a lot of things we did seemed normal in our environment but it takes moving somewhere new to realise how stupid and childish you are!) 

Fastforward to the phone call 2 days ago and you guessed it the response says more info needed it says  I made bogus statements in my 457 and I have 28 days to respond as to why. It is a very strongly worded letter and says if they find my explanation not good enough my visa maybe refused.

I guess my reason for the post is:

1. Don't be stupid like me in the first place

2. If you are then admit it on your 457 no matter how minor it might seem!

3. Any advice?

Thanks Adam

[lucky_mo]

1 hour ago, adamhe said:

Hi everyone,

I have been a silent reader on here for a while now. I received what I thought was going to be my 'Golden Phonecall' 2 days ago and with the risk of ridicule I just thought I would share my situation and ask for any advice....

short story I applied for my PR in December 17 I am currently on a 457 as a marketing specialist. My friend applied in November 17 and received PR June 18 working at the same company so I had a good feeling mine was due soon but having heard some horror stories on here I didn't want to count my chickens.

When I applied for my 457 the question any convictions came up. I have had 2 cautions in my life one 14 years ago for drunken disorderly (I'm from Newcastle it's a standard rap) and one 9 years ago for damaging property (again drunk put a cone on someone's car and scratched it) advice given at the time was don't mention it as they are cautions not convictions. When I applied for my PR these showed up on my police checks my MA said don't worry we will write a stat dec saying you misinterpreted conviction and caution and you are sorry, a different person etc (which is true I am 32 years old I have built a house here and have a Australian partner and son. I think in England a lot of things we did seemed normal in our environment but it takes moving somewhere new to realise how stupid and childish you are!) 

Fastforward to the phone call 2 days ago and you guessed it the response says more info needed it says  I made bogus statements in my 457 and I have 28 days to respond as to why. It is a very strongly worded letter and says if they find my explanation not good enough my visa maybe refused.

I guess my reason for the post is:

1. Don't be stupid like me in the first place

2. If you are then admit it on your 457 no matter how minor it might seem!

3. Any advice?

Thanks Adam

Hey @adamhe

well I have read your post again and again. I think you need an expertise on this specific issue All I can suggest please seek advice from few other MAs instead of relying on just one MA.

I wish you a ALL THE VERY BEST and  you get a decision on your favour 

 

[boo-yaa]

1 hour ago, adamhe said:

Hi everyone,

I have been a silent reader on here for a while now. I received what I thought was going to be my 'Golden Phonecall' 2 days ago and with the risk of ridicule I just thought I would share my situation and ask for any advice....

short story I applied for my PR in December 17 I am currently on a 457 as a marketing specialist. My friend applied in November 17 and received PR June 18 working at the same company so I had a good feeling mine was due soon but having heard some horror stories on here I didn't want to count my chickens.

When I applied for my 457 the question any convictions came up. I have had 2 cautions in my life one 14 years ago for drunken disorderly (I'm from Newcastle it's a standard rap) and one 9 years ago for damaging property (again drunk put a cone on someone's car and scratched it) advice given at the time was don't mention it as they are cautions not convictions. When I applied for my PR these showed up on my police checks my MA said don't worry we will write a stat dec saying you misinterpreted conviction and caution and you are sorry, a different person etc (which is true I am 32 years old I have built a house here and have a Australian partner and son. I think in England a lot of things we did seemed normal in our environment but it takes moving somewhere new to realise how stupid and childish you are!) 

Fastforward to the phone call 2 days ago and you guessed it the response says more info needed it says  I made bogus statements in my 457 and I have 28 days to respond as to why. It is a very strongly worded letter and says if they find my explanation not good enough my visa maybe refused.

I guess my reason for the post is:

1. Don't be stupid like me in the first place

2. If you are then admit it on your 457 no matter how minor it might seem!

3. Any advice?

Thanks Adam

That's bad luck mate. I didn't think cautions would show up on your police certificate however??

Take advise from your MA but maybe go down the lines of - you didn't think they were relevant as they were only Cautions and not convictions?

Maybe a letter from a member of the community as a character reference?

We all do stupid things when we were younger mate, that's just part of growing up - good luck!!

Edited August 9, 2018 by boo-yaa

[ali]

I agree with your agent - a letter detailing how you misinterpreted conviction and caution, how you've seen the error of your ways, never been in trouble since etc (i'd leave out the bit about it being 'normal in Newcastle' lol.

Character references may be helpful from both UK and people who have known you here in Aus - ? your boss, 

Good luck .. your post does provide a cautionary note for people.

[adamhe]

14 minutes ago, boo-yaa said:

That's bad luck mate. I didn't think cautions would show up on your police certificate however??

Take advise from your MA but maybe go down the lines of - you didn't think they were relevant as they were only Cautions and not convictions?

Maybe a letter from a member of the community as a character reference?

We all do stupid things when we were younger mate, that's just part of growing up - good luck!!

Thanks mate yes apparently even cautions before the age of 16 show up!

[adamhe]

22 minutes ago, lucky_mo said:

Hey @adamhe

well I have read your post again and again. I think you need an expertise on this specific issue All I can suggest please seek advice from few other MAs instead of relying on just one MA.

I wish you a ALL THE VERY BEST and  you get a decision on your favour 

 

Thanks mate!

[adamhe]

3 minutes ago, ali said:

I agree with your agent - a letter detailing how you misinterpreted conviction and caution, how you've seen the error of your ways, never been in trouble since etc (i'd leave out the bit about it being 'normal in Newcastle' lol.

Character references may be helpful from both UK and people who have known you here in Aus - ? your boss, 

Good luck .. your post does provide a cautionary note for people.

Thanks Ali yes I will leave the bit out about Newcastle haha! It is called a PIC 4020 and apparently from November 17 it has been enforced a lot more than in the past. The more I read about it the more I am worrying now! 

[lucky_mo]

You need at least three witnesses  for character reference 

one of my friend was in quite similar situation 

Edited August 9, 2018 by lucky_mo

[lucky_mo]

14 minutes ago, lucky_mo said:

You need at least three witnesses  for character reference  

one of my friend was in quite similar situation 

 

Edited August 9, 2018 by lucky_mo

[Deep1991]

1 hour ago, adamhe said:

Thanks Ali yes I will leave the bit out about Newcastle haha! It is called a PIC 4020 and apparently from November 17 it has been enforced a lot more than in the past. The more I read about it the more I am worrying now! 

Bro my frnd had same problem whn he applied 457. He came here on student visa and smhow didn't mention abt drunk drive conviction. Frm UK but whn he applied 457 smhow case officer requested for UK police clearence where his conviction show up but tht time in year 2013 smhow his MA saved him. He got the same letter u got to explain why he fail to declare his conviction. He get through this tht time. I just asked him wht they hav written tht time. He told me tht they mentioned in letter tht they student visa MA misguided him as he said his ma said he only needs to declare anything in which he served jail sentence. Tht time this explanation has worked for him. M not sure abt today bro 

Edited August 9, 2018 by Deep1991

[Milkyway]

You have to be honest and tell them the truth with the background to the offences as explained here BUT ignorance is not an excuse that what the police always say. You haven't had any issues here so that will work in your favor I personally think you'll be ok as they weren't serious offenses and no prison sentence. Good luck and let us know how you get on ! 

[Gomzi]

Hello guys.... I need your kind suggestion as I have already shared that my nomination got approved on 20 july 2018 and I had lodged my visa application on 30th of May 2018....I wish to know that what kind of docs can a CO ask for visa approval...and what s the expected time for decision

Edited August 9, 2018 by Gomzi

[Hex]

Has anyone tried calling this number  for an escalation / complaint or for simply trying to get an update on the progress? (obviously, only for applications that are passed the initial waiting period) 

Edited August 12, 2018 by MaggieMay24
Only published DIBP phone numbers allowed.

[nikimino]

On 10/08/2018 at 09:07, Hex said:

Has anyone tried calling this number for an escalation / complaint or for simply trying to get an update on the progress? (obviously, only for applications that are passed the initial waiting period) 

I think if the application passed the initial waiting period, then they would take action immediately. Otherwise, they will just leave you there and do nothing. 

[Hex]

5 minutes ago, nikimino said:

I think if the application passed the initial waiting period, then they would take action immediately. Otherwise, they will just leave you there and do nothing. 

Ah, didn't really answer my question - also a pretty big assumption (especially based off of how many people are well passed their initial waiting period)  
Anyone else? 

Edited August 9, 2018 by Hex

[Toryalis]

On 15/04/2018 at 20:13, Chauh said:

Hi mate congrats my nomination approved last week but visa in same received status did not ask anything and applied same time visa and nomination 25 may 2017       Did they ask any documents for your visa ?

hi friends 

 

I have a question. I called immigr main phone line today to inquire about my application. Normally they won’t give any info but this guy ask all my details, visa app reference etc and then put me on hold like 5 min. He came back saying he had been looking into my file and “It is not in process actually your CO is processing the file as we speak” in my immiaccount thou the status is still recieved

any one has similar experience? What should I believe? Am I ever going to get an answer? 

 

DE NSW PESE REST MANAGER APP DATE N+V 26/6/17 

 

cheers 

N

[KD31]

hi friends 
 
I have a question. I called immigr main phone line today to inquire about my application. Normally they won’t give any info but this guy ask all my details, visa app reference etc and then put me on hold like 5 min. He came back saying he had been looking into my file and “It is not in process actually your CO is processing the file as we speak” in my immiaccount thou the status is still recieved
any one has similar experience? What should I believe? Am I ever going to get an answer? 
 
DE NSW PESE REST MANAGER APP DATE N+V 26/6/17 
 
cheers 
N

I was asked docs twice after CO allocation to my file. Last submitted docs 9 months ago but still haven’t heard anything from them. I called all most every month to find out about my file. In the beginning around jan18 to april 18 they kept saying waiting for the first available co to open my file. [emoji848][emoji848] (wonder what happened to CO who asked for docs) then next couple of months they said CO is assessing my file....ok ....waited .... again in june they said they have worked on your file last month, last week too looks like waiting for some information .... it made me more excited and waiting game started again..... then july I called a lady answered saying there is no point you calling us again and again we will not tell you any work done on your visa. Only your MA or employer can talk to us to find out about this application..... now MA says they won’t tell us too exactly what they are or have been doing with this application so no use contacting them......and again waiting waiting and waiting
Now by telling you all this I don’t want to hurt you or guide you about processing time.... i just want to tell you that don’t believe in any rubbish they tell you over the phone as I think they themselves doesn’t know whats being done on file they just say random stuff to keep us waiting....don’t be so hopeful or super excited about anything just by a phone conversation because its breaks when the waiting game time keep increasing. It might come tonight or it may take 5 months ....just don’t think about it. I am telling you cause I am going through it and think i have gone into deep depression that even if i want i am finding it hard to come out of it or stop thinking about it. It’s affecting whole family .... just try not to be super excited by any phone conversation as if it didn’t come any soon then you will end up worrying and thinking more about it. I got attracted to this stupid game and now suffering internally.
All the best

[nikimino]

5 minutes ago, KD31 said:

I was asked docs twice after CO allocation to my file. Last submitted docs 9 months ago but still haven’t heard anything from them. I called all most every month to find out about my file. In the beginning around jan18 to april 18 they kept saying waiting for the first available co to open my file. (wonder what happened to CO who asked for docs) then next couple of months they said CO is assessing my file....ok ....waited .... again in june they said they have worked on your file last month, last week too looks like waiting for some information .... it made me more excited and waiting game started again..... then july I called a lady answered saying there is no point you calling us again and again we will not tell you any work done on your visa. Only your MA or employer can talk to us to find out about this application..... now MA says they won’t tell us too exactly what they are or have been doing with this application so no use contacting them......and again waiting waiting and waiting
Now by telling you all this I don’t want to hurt you or guide you about processing time.... i just want to tell you that don’t believe in any rubbish they tell you over the phone as I think they themselves doesn’t know whats being done on file they just say random stuff to keep us waiting....don’t be so hopeful or super excited about anything just by a phone conversation because its breaks when the waiting game time keep increasing. It might come tonight or it may take 5 months ....just don’t think about it. I am telling you cause I am going through it and think i have gone into deep depression that even if i want i am finding it hard to come out of it or stop thinking about it. It’s affecting whole family .... just try not to be super excited by any phone conversation as if it didn’t come any soon then you will end up worrying and thinking more about it. I got attracted to this stupid game and now suffering internally.
All the best

My MA indeed told me before that actually only the MA or employer can contact them about the status because employer was asking for a nomination, not us, and MA is helping the employer to go through all the process and document submitting, not us.

If the nomination gets approved. it is MA's task to ask about our visa's processing status. If using a MA, then immi depart CO would contact your MA directly, not us.  

Actually my MA has contacted the CO recently but MA said better not hoping them would give any answer because if it is not our turn to get assessed, then there would be no answer. 

Calling them is a waste of time, no use. They just set up a place for us to tell the frustration, but not taking any action. And we never get any true answer.

If we have done all things, we have to wait. Don't lose hope.

[Toryalis]

Hei mate thanks so much for your reply. When did you apply and under what stream? I do understand your status of anxiety and depression as, believe me. I don’t know why these people treats us like pieces of paper and have no human compassion for our situation. I wish them to live in a limbo for more than 15 months, with a job that pays you the minimum for the max effort. It is ridiculous that Australia does not provide info on applications which cost us like 20.000$ I am so hopeless and frustrated I’m finding it difficult to smile and find a purpose to fulfill mY day as this is like a black dog, Churchill would have said 

 

[boo-yaa]

1 hour ago, KD31 said:

I was asked docs twice after CO allocation to my file. Last submitted docs 9 months ago but still haven’t heard anything from them. I called all most every month to find out about my file. In the beginning around jan18 to april 18 they kept saying waiting for the first available co to open my file. (wonder what happened to CO who asked for docs) then next couple of months they said CO is assessing my file....ok ....waited .... again in june they said they have worked on your file last month, last week too looks like waiting for some information .... it made me more excited and waiting game started again..... then july I called a lady answered saying there is no point you calling us again and again we will not tell you any work done on your visa. Only your MA or employer can talk to us to find out about this application..... now MA says they won’t tell us too exactly what they are or have been doing with this application so no use contacting them......and again waiting waiting and waiting
Now by telling you all this I don’t want to hurt you or guide you about processing time.... i just want to tell you that don’t believe in any rubbish they tell you over the phone as I think they themselves doesn’t know whats being done on file they just say random stuff to keep us waiting....don’t be so hopeful or super excited about anything just by a phone conversation because its breaks when the waiting game time keep increasing. It might come tonight or it may take 5 months ....just don’t think about it. I am telling you cause I am going through it and think i have gone into deep depression that even if i want i am finding it hard to come out of it or stop thinking about it. It’s affecting whole family .... just try not to be super excited by any phone conversation as if it didn’t come any soon then you will end up worrying and thinking more about it. I got attracted to this stupid game and now suffering internally.
All the best

As @nikimino stated, calling is a complete waste of time. I know its tempting to call and try and get an update, but its pointless. 
 

[Manish9001]

Stop calling Immigration
It’s just a waste of time
Keep patience Ur time will come

[Kim12]

Hi, plz somone help me i applied in 15 nov 2017 TRT chef and on 5th july case officer asked more docs of my patner its, form 80 and english evidence, i m just going to pay SVAC for evidence of english, i m main applicant, CO didn’t ask any docs from my side, i m still waiting to pay SVAC, 28 days time is already over now. Is someone who have same situation plz help wht can do now , send them remind them or just wait. My employer is impatient now. He give me strees everyday. Plz help me

 

[Kattz]

Any ICT business analysts/ systems analysts here?

[nikimino]

4 hours ago, Kim12 said:

Hi, plz somone help me i applied in 15 nov 2017 TRT chef and on 5th july case officer asked more docs of my patner its, form 80 and english evidence, i m just going to pay SVAC for evidence of english, i m main applicant, CO didn’t ask any docs from my side, i m still waiting to pay SVAC, 28 days time is already over now. Is someone who have same situation plz help wht can do now , send them remind them or just wait. My employer is impatient now. He give me strees everyday. Plz help me

  

Have you got the nomination approved? If approved, then the visa will soon arrive. NO WORRIES. My MA had a client who got her visa granted after paid the language fee for three months.

BTW, Did the CO give you the link to pay the language fee or you just got CO's letter to tell you show the evidence? Because mine is a correspondence from CO and asking for proof of evidence from my partner, but not giving the link. My MA said we have to wait them to give the link to pay. Anyone knows about this?

 

[Micgeo]

Hi guys I would like to share my thoughts and my concerns regarding future application 186 TRN

back to 2015 (I was on student depended visa) I invited one friend of mine to come in Australia  to visit me on a tourist visa.

He was planning to apply for a student visa and he ask me me to find a job for him because he was struggling economically ,so I found a job for him and I texted to his cellphone all the details about the job,hours,money, etc.i told his also to put my address and my details on his boarding pass.

on his arrival, immigration call me and ask me if he’s going to stay with me and if he is coming for tourist reasons .

Officers  made him step aside for further  inspection ,and the seized his cell phone ,obviously the found all the messages from my number and they canceled his visa. And the nightmare starts for me..

2016  my wife found a company to sponsor her  (457 visa)  

we submitted the application,and after 2 months we went overseas for a holiday break.

on my departure when I gave my passport for check, they did further checks ,on my arrival same thing they did further checks ,I asked them with very polite way if something is wrong and the replied all good.

i was afraid the won’t grand me my 457, but after 3 months we receive the grand notifications for all the applicants.

last year we went again for holidays overseas...same story further checks on me.

so my question is , am I flagged ? and is it gonna affect my application for 186 trn

thanks in advance