Jeremy Corbyn, thoughts?

[Skyba]

What is wrong with inheriting property from two hard working members of the proletariat who faithfully served their country in war and peace? They never bludged. They hardly drank or smoked or gambled or blew their money in any other way. In your world their assets should rightfully have passed back to the government to buy council houses for asylum seekers. And öf course at the end if their lives the Govt did expect them to pay for their nursing home care out of their assets. What could be fairer than that?

 

And what of me? The Tory voting millionaire who spent his working life in lowly clerical work or sorting letters in the Post Office. I could be on a disability pension. I could have been on one for the last thirty years had I known how to work the system. Find a doctor and psychologist to confirm that my anxiety and depression makes it to difficult for me to work. Why not? I have the ling term medication and medical history to prove it. Once you have that pension, and your houso flat and access to every other service either free or subsidised by other fools who chose to work and pay mortgages on homes two hour commutes from their work place.

 

When I bought my flat it was not easy to pay off a mortgage not at rates of nearly 18 per cent, and Surry Hills was not the trendy yuppie place it is now. I just wanted a place close to work. I would have bought in Penrith if my job was there.

 

Working class people are not class traitors because they vote Tory. They are people who want to work hard, try to buy a home and maybe a few other assets for their retirement. And they don't see why they should pay for others to bludge.

 

so basically you inherited your right to an easy life without welfare?? No wonder you have the privileged attitude you do, try working for your own entitlements before you look down on others. Not saying you haven't worked but not everyone is lucky enough to have an easy life earned by previous generations.

 

what a load of rubbish the last bit it, i am a working class left wing supporter, I probably work harder than you ever have, I do on average of 80 hours a week and have done for a long time, I re trained as an electrician as I got very ill whilst I was a project manager for a drilling company in Qatar at the age of 22, when I was there my shorted week would be 80 hours and I regularly stayed at work for 24 hours. Your idea that anyone that supports the right just believes in a free life is so born out of a ridiculous entitlement it's unreal. I bet that first house you are talking about was aided by some of that inherited money given to you early!! Not saying that's wrong if my parents had the money I would have it too, but it wouldn't make me think I am entitled to look down on those who aren't fortunate enough to have that kick start in life. My wife to be will inherit as good but of money in the future but she would never dream of begrudging people less fortunate the opportunity have en equally comfortable life. Socialism isn't about giving everyone a living it's about ensuring that everyone has an equal start in life, a child born into a family on benefits should have just as much chance of becoming prime minister that the aristocratic right, this is getting further and further away from reality with every new Tory budget.

 

also thanks for that little insight into the basis of your opinion, I was getting frustrated with you to the point I was going to block your borImg posts but knowing you're just one of the entitled amuses me

Edited August 9, 2015 by Skyba

[Skyba]

I have always voted Labour but over the past few years it really pained me to do so as I really disliked the people I was voting for. I won't be voting Labour again but I won't be voting for the Liberals either.

 

I have always worked hard as did/do all my family and didn't expect help from anybody. I do agree that unions had their place in the past but there are some jobs nowadays that are well paid but the workers want more money and if they don't get it they go on strike. I haven't much time for that. Unions are necessary in the more dangerous jobs eg mining, construction work etc but the CFMEU is apt to be corrupt especially in Melbourne and Sydney. My husband could write a book about that. He was a union rep but was disgusted by some of the stuff that went on.

 

 

I don't think striking just to get more money is correct unless like in the UK you have a situation where nurses have seen their pay rise below inflation yet MP's who are just employed by the same people get 11%, they don't strike as they can't and because they care about the health of their patients.

Make I agree with you about it being painful to vote labour, but I'd rather see a right wing Labour Party who attempt to do things fairly than the Tories. Blair was not a typical left wing labour leader but I do think he brought in a lot of good things and I appreciated some of the things he did do for he country. If labour don't have corbyn as their leader and someone like harmon gets in I won't be vit My for them as they will be more to the right than Blair

[MARYROSE02]

so basically you inherited your right to an easy life without welfare?? No wonder you have the privileged attitude you do, try working for your own entitlements before you look down on others. Not saying you haven't worked but not everyone is lucky enough to have an easy life earned by previous generations.

 

what a load of rubbish the last bit it, i am a working class left wing supporter, I probably work harder than you ever have, I do on average of 80 hours a week and have done for a long time, I re trained as an electrician as I got very ill whilst I was a project manager for a drilling company in Qatar at the age of 22, when I was there my shorted week would be 80 hours and I regularly stayed at work for 24 hours. Your idea that anyone that supports the right just believes in a free life is so born out of a ridiculous entitlement it's unreal. I bet that first house you are talking about was aided by some of that inherited money given to you early!! Not saying that's wrong if my parents had the money I would have it too, but it wouldn't make me think I am entitled to look down on those who aren't fortunate enough to have that kick start in life. My wife to be will inherit as good but of money in the future but she would never dream of begrudging people less fortunate the opportunity have en equally comfortable life. Socialism isn't about giving everyone a living it's about ensuring that everyone has an equal start in life, a child born into a family on benefits should have just as much chance of becoming prime minister that the aristocratic right, this is getting further and further away from reality with every new Tory budget.

 

also thanks for that little insight into the basis of your opinion, I was getting frustrated with you to the point I was going to block your borImg posts but knowing you're just one of the entitled amuses me

 

I've worked as hard as you, six days a week, 8am to 10pm Mon to Friday plus Saturdays. So what if my parents saved rather than boozed and gambled. According to your rules, they are mugs for doing that. They SHOULD have boozed, they SHOULD have gambled, they SHOULD have smoked. What mugs they were for working hard and saving rather than spending, so that their kids could get on. Far better in your eyes, that they had told us, "look, we are going to spend all our spare cash on booze, fags, and gambling. You should do the same and put your name down on the list for public housing as soon as you can.

 

I don't begrudge people who are on the bread line, but I do begrudge those bludgers who refuse to work, and want the tax payer to fund their lifestyle.

[Skyba]

I've worked as hard as you, six days a week, 8am to 10pm Mon to Friday plus Saturdays. So what if my parents saved rather than boozed and gambled. According to your rules, they are mugs for doing that. They SHOULD have boozed, they SHOULD have gambled, they SHOULD have smoked. What mugs they were for working hard and saving rather than spending, so that their kids could get on. Far better in your eyes, that they had told us, "look, we are going to spend all our spare cash on booze, fags, and gambling. You should do the same and put your name down on the list for public housing as soon as you can.

 

I don't begrudge people who are on the bread line, but I do begrudge those bludgers who refuse to work, and want the tax payer to fund their lifestyle.

 

 

 

I mi get half way through your posts and I'm already rated by your ignorance, just because someone doesn't earn enough to leave their kids enough money for a comfortable doesn't mean they have boozed and gambled it away. I am T-total and I earn above the national average yet I can't afford to buy a house in the UK at the minute. My parents don't drink or smoke or gamble and my dad worked 7 days a week and owned his own driving school in the 80's 90's earning a considerable amount of money and had a lovely house until your mate thatcher sky rocketed the interest rates. My parents won't leave me and my brothers a legacy to live on, they have a house that's worth maybe £260k and I've told them to sell it buy somewhere small and enjoy the money in their retirement.

 

Your ignorance seems almost put on b cause surely someone with even half a brain cell can't believe the tosh you spout.. It's almost as if you don't look out your window and form all of your opinions from the pages of the daily mail

[steely]

Corbyn cant win a general election? Surely, it is is still far too early to reach such a conclusion. The lesson from the Labour and LibDem wipeout in Scotland at the last election was that it is best not to prejudge an election.

[Life on easy street]

I mi get half way through your posts and I'm already rated by your ignorance, just because someone doesn't earn enough to leave their kids enough money for a comfortable doesn't mean they have boozed and gambled it away. I am T-total and I earn above the national average yet I can't afford to buy a house in the UK at the minute. My parents don't drink or smoke or gamble and my dad worked 7 days a week and owned his own driving school in the 80's 90's earning a considerable amount of money and had a lovely house until your mate thatcher sky rocketed the interest rates. My parents won't leave me and my brothers a legacy to live on, they have a house that's worth maybe £260k and I've told them to sell it buy somewhere small and enjoy the money in their retirement.

 

Your ignorance seems almost put on b cause surely someone with even half a brain cell can't believe thetosh youspout.. It's almost as if you don't look out your window and form all of your opinions from the pages of the daily mail

 

Good one.

To MARYROSE02 the daily mail is the holy bible of economics.

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What is wrong with inheriting property from two hard working members of the proletariat who faithfully served their country in war and peace? They never bludged. They hardly drank or smoked or gambled or blew their money in any other way. In your world their assets should rightfully have passed back to the government to buy council houses for asylum seekers. And öf course at the end if their lives the Govt did expect them to pay for their nursing home care out of their assets. What could be fairer than that?

 

And what of me? The Tory voting millionaire who spent his working life in lowly clerical work or sorting letters in the Post Office. I could be on a disability pension. I could have been on one for the last thirty years had I known how to work the system. Find a doctor and psychologist to confirm that my anxiety and depression makes it to difficult for me to work. Why not? I have the ling term medication and medical history to prove it. Once you have that pension, and your houso flat and access to every other service either free or subsidised by other fools who chose to work and pay mortgages on homes two hour commutes from their work place.

 

When I bought my flat it was not easy to pay off a mortgage not at rates of nearly 18 per cent, and Surry Hills was not the trendy yuppie place it is now. I just wanted a place close to work. I would have bought in Penrith if my job was there.

 

Working class people are not class traitors because they vote Tory. They are people who want to work hard, try to buy a home and maybe a few other assets for their retirement. And they don't see why they should pay for others to bludge.

 

I lost a whole post answering this so will keep it short this time. Never said it was wrong to inherit. What is wrong is to bring the heel down on those that are vulnerable in our society and tarnishing them under the same brush.

 

That is sound Nazi philosophy whether you are aware of it or not. Many work hard all their life and end up with little to show for it. It is not how hard one works but how one manipulates and uses to ones advantage the system and opportunities that may front themselves. Nothing or increasing less to do with hard work but understanding the system and a whole lot of luck thrown in.

 

No a lowly paid clerical clerk would Í hazard to say, find it impossible to purchase anywhere in Sydney these times let alone Surry Hills. Lucky for you your disability was not in the range of preventing you going about your normal day to day routine, even with the assistance of medication. Some cannot even get out of bed.

 

Of course there was a time when long term unemployed were encouraged by the government to go onto disability , in the days before demonising people on benefits became acceptable parlance.

 

The Tories and parties of a similar colour outside of control have little interest in the lot of the working man beyond the divide band rule policy of long standing in some countries and more recently adopted in Australia as the Liberal Party has moved away from its roots since the Menzies era.

Now little to do with everyday people and looks to the top end of town, business and elites.

[flag of convenience]

I have always voted Labour but over the past few years it really pained me to do so as I really disliked the people I was voting for. I won't be voting Labour again but I won't be voting for the Liberals either.

 

I have always worked hard as did/do all my family and didn't expect help from anybody. I do agree that unions had their place in the past but there are some jobs nowadays that are well paid but the workers want more money and if they don't get it they go on strike. I haven't much time for that. Unions are necessary in the more dangerous jobs eg mining, construction work etc but the CFMEU is apt to be corrupt especially in Melbourne and Sydney. My husband could write a book about that. He was a union rep but was disgusted by some of the stuff that went on.

 

Don't believe the gargle out there demonising unions. They are as essential now , more so in many areas than thirty years ago with the desired coming assault on conditions and pay. The growth of short termism in employment, no holiday pay, sick pay, hire and fire at will is not something to be encouraged on a wide scale.

 

Unions have abused their position in the past but that hardly excludes employers from that. Tell me would you prefer to have some backing or stand alone against an employer in a dispute? They will throw all forces at their disposal at you and it can be a lonely and expensive place to ride alone.

[Quinkla]

I've worked as hard as you, six days a week, 8am to 10pm Mon to Friday plus Saturdays...

 

I don't begrudge people who are on the bread line, but I do begrudge those bludgers who refuse to work, and want the tax payer to fund their lifestyle.

But your hard work is not what is paying for your lifestyle - your lifestyle is paid for by your parents' work - or perhaps their parents' work.

[MARYROSE02]

I lost a whole post answering this so will keep it short this time. Never said it was wrong to inherit. What is wrong is to bring the heel down on those that are vulnerable in our society and tarnishing them under the same brush.

 

That is sound Nazi philosophy whether you are aware of it or not. Many work hard all their life and end up with little to show for it. It is not how hard one works but how one manipulates and uses to ones advantage the system and opportunities that may front themselves. Nothing or increasing less to do with hard work but understanding the system and a whole lot of luck thrown in.

 

No a lowly paid clerical clerk would Í hazard to say, find it impossible to purchase anywhere in Sydney these times let alone Surry Hills. Lucky for you your disability was not in the range of preventing you going about your normal day to day routine, even with the assistance of medication. Some cannot even get out of bed.

 

Of course there was a time when long term unemployed were encouraged by the government to go onto disability , in the days before demonising people on benefits became acceptable parlance.

 

The Tories and parties of a similar colour outside of control have little interest in the lot of the working man beyond the divide band rule policy of long standing in some countries and more recently adopted in Australia as the Liberal Party has moved away from its roots since the Menzies era.

Now little to do with everyday people and looks to the top end of town, business and elites.

There is nothing worse than losing a post! Type in Word or Gmail so you can save it regularly, not that I follow my own advice.

 

I'm not anti welfare and I make regular use of the benefits when I can, eg Medicare, though I also pay for other services which I can't claim.

 

But there are people who COULD work, but choose not to. My psychologist advised me not to give in to my fears and anxieties about commuting and crowds, though there were times when I was scared to leave my home.

 

If I have paid my taxes, why shouldn't I be able to claim benefits when I am out of work? Some on PIO have defended rich and well paid MPs and ministers for taking what they are entitled to put of the system.

 

Why don't I play the same game? Spend all my assets here in Oz, and keep quiet about my income and assets in UK? What is a little white lie between me and Tony Burke?

 

How many times has he had to pay back the Dept of Finance for his rorts? I could do the same. Say I did not know my UK assets counted here. Just a little white lie. Difference is, I'd go to prison not just have to pay it back.

 

The disability pension scheme has been proved to be a rort - for some people, not all. And I don't see why I should pay for the rorters.

[MARYROSE02]

But your hard work is not what is paying for your lifestyle - your lifestyle is paid for by your parents' work - or perhaps their parents' work.

 

I've working since I was seventeen, and I bought my home, with the help of the deposit by my parents, whilst I paid for the mortgage. Why do you find that so objectionable? Plenty of parents help their children, often to their own detriment, not just financially, but as carers for grandchildren, taking their adult children back in to live with them/

 

And here's another thing, I 'paid my parents back' by returning to England to help look after them for ten years. I don't look on it as a debt to be repaid, and I loved being in a position to do it, but many people, who COULD do the same thing, practically abandon their parents, leaving them to cope on their own, then putting them into nursing homes at the first opportunity.

 

And here's yet another thing. I bought my first home in 1987, after working for sixteen years. If I had saved a bit of money instead of boozing, partying, smoking, etc, I could have saved the mortgage myself. The point is that ANY person of my age in a similar job could have saved for a mortgage, if they had been prepared to make a few sacrifices. In ten years living with my parents in the late 90's when returned to the UK, I saved 50,000 pounds, without being particularly frugal.

 

I know a few young guys in Surry Hills, all with excellent jobs, all renting, and if they set their minds to it, they could be saving for a deposit.

 

And better that its my parents who are paying for my lifestyle, then hardworking taxpayers.

[MARYROSE02]

Don't believe the gargle out there demonising unions. They are as essential now , more so in many areas than thirty years ago with the desired coming assault on conditions and pay. The growth of short termism in employment, no holiday pay, sick pay, hire and fire at will is not something to be encouraged on a wide scale.

 

Unions have abused their position in the past but that hardly excludes employers from that. Tell me would you prefer to have some backing or stand alone against an employer in a dispute? They will throw all forces at their disposal at you and it can be a lonely and expensive place to ride alone.

 

Unions have abused their position, and they continue to do so. And the Labor/Labour parties continue to protect them. It's BS to say that we would not have all these wonderful conditions and pay without unions. Many of these things would have developed anyway. It wasn't unions that stopped the Royal Navy from flogging and pressing men into service. Attitudes change over time. As the vote was being extended to all adults, many of the early acts happened without unions being around. If there had never been unions, we would not still be sending children into the factories seven days a week. Many of the best jobs don't even have unions. I'm not anti union. I join unions whenever there is one in my workplace. I just wish British and Australian unions (and firms) were more like Germany, where conditions always seem to be far better, pay is higher, and productivity is higher too.

[MARYROSE02]

Good one.

To MARYROSE02 the daily mail is the holy bible of economics.

 

I prefer The Times, but the Daily Mail is the bible of the middle classes and the working classes who hate bludgers, though they are also catered for by The Sun.

[MARYROSE02]

Or rather the inheritance of property. Not forgetting the ability to purchase a flat in inner Sydney in more affordable times. The price rises of more modern times making it near impossible for anyone of your status to ever repeat such a procedure. Fine by be. You lucked out. But please don't blame those not so fortunate or use ridiculous terms as bludgers. You can dispose of UK property spend the winnings on travel and cruises and go on the welfare pay role.

 

No service workers have every right to decent conditions and thankfully they have a Union to stand up and defend their rights. Many these days would dearly like to be able to be in such a position as to have a voice to speak out and act against abusive employers.

Cushy jobs? No people have the right the expect a little more from employers than a revolving door and little knowledge if in work from one week to the next. Pretty much what our capitalist system is based on I'd have thought.

 

As I said on another post, anybody of my age in 1987 - early 30's - who had been working since they left school could have saved a deposit if they had forgone partying, pubbing, gambling, holidaying. Some did, some never saved a cent, nor do so to this day.

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There is nothing worse than losing a post! Type in Word or Gmail so you can save it regularly, not that I follow my own advice.

 

I'm not anti welfare and I make regular use of the benefits when I can, eg Medicare, though I also pay for other services which I can't claim.

 

But there are people who COULD work, but choose not to. My psychologist advised me not to give in to my fears and anxieties about commuting and crowds, though there were times when I was scared to leave my home.

 

If I have paid my taxes, why shouldn't I be able to claim benefits when I am out of work? Some on PIO have defended rich and well paid MPs and ministers for taking what they are entitled to put of the system.

 

Why don't I play the same game? Spend all my assets here in Oz, and keep quiet about my income and assets in UK? What is a little white lie between me and Tony Burke?

 

How many times has he had to pay back the Dept of Finance for his rorts? I could do the same. Say I did not know my UK assets counted here. Just a little white lie. Difference is, I'd go to prison not just have to pay it back.

 

The disability pension scheme has been proved to be a rort - for some people, not all. And I don't see why I should pay for the rorters.

 

I can't claim a pension either and was written out of a very substantial inheritance due to the blended family syndrome which was very costly. What I have is through the good fortune of being a saver and rather frugal with material needs. That's how the dice falls. My ill luck as it could have been different in circumstances prevailed.

 

If someone choses not to work that frankly is not my concern. Benefits are hardly generous enough to enable even a three star lifestyle. I draw the line at those with plentiful bounty that out of greed seek ever more as well as will use whatever benefits they can access. (A certain daughter here in WA, of one of the nations richest men at the time, comes to mind who was able to access a student grant even with parents

Benefits should be targeted but a degree of middle class welfare keep a broader demographic on board I expect.

 

Well why don't you consume your assets and go on welfare if you think that an option? Must be a reason you persist with the burden of not clearing the decks to enable that as an option.

 

My concern is the push for further tax cuts as outlined in todays 'The Australian', will yet again target the rich and business at the expense of services and the arts, with little to assist lower paid with a rather high tax rate after the tax free allowance.

 

Tony Burke acted within his allowance but had a little too much to say about the Speaker perhaps, duff job as she was. The entire political system with expenses has long been a rort and needs fixing. I note you again pick on an opposition member when government side of politics have done exactly the same. No wonder why Payne didn't think Burke had done any wrong.

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I prefer The Times, but the Daily Mail is the bible of the middle classes and the working classes who hate bludgers, though they are also catered for by The Sun.

 

No the working class who have fallen for the bile and class division such journals set out to create. Hands off the bankers and the real dodgers and grab a pitch folk and' hunt down a work shy dodger' brigade.

 

The Times is but a thread of what it was once. I recall the time they reduced the price substantially in an attempt to flag falling sales.

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But your hard work is not what is paying for your lifestyle - your lifestyle is paid for by your parents' work - or perhaps their parents' work.

 

It is a bit of a myth that hard work if taken in those terms equal lifestyle. Most those that really put in the hard yards are far too knackered at the end of the day to have any

sort of lifestyle.

[newjez]

I have always voted Labour but over the past few years it really pained me to do so as I really disliked the people I was voting for. I won't be voting Labour again but I won't be voting for the Liberals either.

 

I have always worked hard as did/do all my family and didn't expect help from anybody. I do agree that unions had their place in the past but there are some jobs nowadays that are well paid but the workers want more money and if they don't get it they go on strike. I haven't much time for that. Unions are necessary in the more dangerous jobs eg mining, construction work etc but the CFMEU is apt to be corrupt especially in Melbourne and Sydney. My husband could write a book about that. He was a union rep but was disgusted by some of the stuff that went on.

 

 

I too feel unrepresented. I feel democracy has failed me.

[flag of convenience]

I've working since I was seventeen, and I bought my home, with the help of the deposit by my parents, whilst I paid for the mortgage. Why do you find that so objectionable? Plenty of parents help their children, often to their own detriment, not just financially, but as carers for grandchildren, taking their adult children back in to live with them/

 

And here's another thing, I 'paid my parents back' by returning to England to help look after them for ten years. I don't look on it as a debt to be repaid, and I loved being in a position to do it, but many people, who COULD do the same thing, practically abandon their parents, leaving them to cope on their own, then putting them into nursing homes at the first opportunity.

 

And here's yet another thing. I bought my first home in 1987, after working for sixteen years. If I had saved a bit of money instead of boozing, partying, smoking, etc, I could have saved the mortgage myself. The point is that ANY person of my age in a similar job could have saved for a mortgage, if they had been prepared to make a few sacrifices. In ten years living with my parents in the late 90's when returned to the UK, I saved 50,000 pounds, without being particularly frugal.

 

I know a few young guys in Surry Hills, all with excellent jobs, all renting, and if they set their minds to it, they could be saving for a deposit.

 

And better that its my parents who are paying for my lifestyle, then hardworking taxpayers.

 

The emphasis being on the word 'could of', hardly the case these days. Nothing wrong with parents helping. Just be grateful you had parents that could be of assistance. I would think in todays Sydney with prices being what they are it would be very easy for most even decent earners to see the pointless activity of taking on so much debt, just for a roof and walls.

[newjez]

No the working class who have fallen for the bile and class division such journals set out to create. Hands off the bankers and the real dodgers and grab a pitch folk and' hunt down a work shy dodger' brigade.

 

The Times is but a thread of what it was once. I recall the time they reduced the price substantially in an attempt to flag falling sales.

 

 

 

I think the energy companies are the Jews in this post GFC economic reality.

[flag of convenience]

Unions have abused their position, and they continue to do so. And the Labor/Labour parties continue to protect them. It's BS to say that we would not have all these wonderful conditions and pay without unions. Many of these things would have developed anyway. It wasn't unions that stopped the Royal Navy from flogging and pressing men into service. Attitudes change over time. As the vote was being extended to all adults, many of the early acts happened without unions being around. If there had never been unions, we would not still be sending children into the factories seven days a week. Many of the best jobs don't even have unions. I'm not anti union. I join unions whenever there is one in my workplace. I just wish British and Australian unions (and firms) were more like Germany, where conditions always seem to be far better, pay is higher, and productivity is higher too.

 

Government on both sides have abused their position, but especially those on the right. No conditions would not have come about without a collective to argue the case of its members.

 

The German system was once the ideal held to with fewer, but much larger collectives that had a place in company decision making, while still a force is not having the influence it once had. You have in recent decades one euro jobs, subsidised by welfare. Not forgetting a lot Of German business is very small family run concerns, where in many cases they are reaching out to employ East Europeans who are cheaper and easier to sack .

[MARYROSE02]

No the working class who have fallen for the bile and class division such journals set out to create. Hands off the bankers and the real dodgers and grab a pitch folk and' hunt down a work shy dodger' brigade.

 

The Times is but a thread of what it was once. I recall the time they reduced the price substantially in an attempt to flag falling sales.

 

The truth is that whether you are a rich banker or a battler, if you are fiddling your taxes and benefits, then you are doing the wrong thing, and 'two wrongs do not make a right' and nor does 'one greater wrong excuse a sea of little wrongs, or even one wrong.'

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I think the energy companies are the Jews in this post GFC economic reality.

 

Well IMO they should be in government hands not private ones seeking ever more profit from what are after all essential concerns.

[MARYROSE02]

The emphasis being on the word 'could of', hardly the case these days. Nothing wrong with parents helping. Just be grateful you had parents that could be of assistance. I would think in todays Sydney with prices being what they are it would be very easy for most even decent earners to see the pointless activity of taking on so much debt, just for a roof and walls.

 

The weird thing about your take on Sydney today is that to live in 21st century Sydney is to have the misfortune to be living at the worst possible time in the history of (Australian) humanity. I can see you talking to people who lived through two world wars, extreme poverty, The Great Depression, and no welfare state, saying to them 'What do you know about real hardship?'

 

People paying off mortgages, and other loans find it hard at any time in history, but you are obsessed with the admittedly high Sydney prices as proving that nobody ever faced true hardship until today. My parents worked two fulltime jobs to pay off their mortgage, which is exactly what my brother and his wife did a generation later.

 

If things were as bad as you say they are, then eventually prices will crash as homes remain unsold and untenanted. Someone must be able to afford them, and if they are all rich Chinese, then why aren't the homes all empty?

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The truth is that whether you are a rich banker or a battler, if you are fiddling your taxes and benefits, then you are doing the wrong thing, and 'two wrongs do not make a right' and nor does 'one greater wrong excuse a sea of little wrongs, or even one wrong.'

 

But you being one of 'the little people', keep with regularity putting the boot into your own kind. The banksters and associated business and the top ten per cent , are well enough equipped in every shape and form to fight their corner. You do yourself a gross injustice I feel by doing their bidding for them.

 

Most with any shred of awareness will know full well where the worm in the ointment lies.