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If society consisted of an equal playing field for all I just might find something to agree with you about but as we know it isn't. Hardly only folk that booze and smoke that find themselves without savings. Many middle class have their backs to the wall with debt and living costs. We are all different. Not all can resist the temptation out there to spend. To upgrade. Such behaviour is encouraged by our system.

 

You would have to be a brave person to throw your lot in and be totally dependant on government. Some have little choice and will soon get used to frugal living if not encountered it before.

 

Nothing wrong with council housing apart from the Conservatives subsidising from tax payers their sell off to sitting tenant. It should have been those that had purchased their own house to have been on a stronger leg than the same as council house tenants who could sell at massive profit when time allowed. Agree there, but a Tory measure.

 

Wonder what quality nursing home one would get into with the state paying? Surely better to be able to have a choice into facility that at least appeals, rather than being plonked somewhere in vulnerable years?

 

I suppose I can call myself 'middle class' and over the last six years, since returning to Australia from the UK, I have steadily whittled away at my savings. I work when I can, though I have not looked for work since I started getting my Royal Mail pension. Every few months, or weeks, I transfer some more money from my savings in the UK, or sell one of my stocks, to pay my bills.

 

My income is about $30,000 per year, with no rent or mortage to pay. Given your opinion of the cost of living in Sydney, how would you describe my income level? Would you call me rich and living off the largesse of my parents?

 

What if I hadn't paid my mortgage off, or I was renting a one bedroom flat here in Surry Hills at, say, $500 per week? Would I be entitled to ask for some help from the state?

 

What would your advice be to any of the 30 something guys I know here in Surry Hills who are all renting rooms or flats. They appear to be on very good incomes, and they are always out on the town, or off on holidays overseas. I remember a couple of years ago, one of them told me he was taking home $1,400 per week. He was paying $250 per week for a room in a share house here in Surry Hills and I told him that, without having to 'scrimp' he should be able to save $500 per week.

 

If he had taken my advice (not that I would have done if our positions had been reversed), he would have $50,000 in the bank now. Not a bad deposit. Might not get you a place in Surry Hills, but further out west where many people have to start, he might get something. Or he could just invest it in the stock market.

 

I don't know what the criteria is to be able to put your name down for public housing, but I do know that the waiting time is as long as ten years in parts of Sydney and NSW. I have a friend who lives in one of the huge public housing blocks near me. I went to collect her mail and water her plants yesterday. She actually has a very nice flat, but I loathe going into the building. I have seen prisons that look more welcoming. Most of the people who live there are OK, though 96 per cent of them are on benefits.

 

What is the answer to housing the homeless? I see them bedding down everywhere. Some actually 'camp' in the park near Central station. I imagine it's still much the same in London? You expect Tory governments to be heartless and uncarring, but why can't socialist governments do something about it? Do you think that Jeremy Corbyn has a solution?

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There is nothing wrong with structuring your affairs to legally reduce the amount of tax you pay. Whether it is ethical is questionable. But for the little people, deductions are often structured in this way as this is where the govt wants to direct money. As for business and individuals, if the govt wanted to close the loopholes, they would.

 

What if I HAD kept quiet about my assets in the UK, and applied for a Centrelink benefit. What if I claimed ignorance of the law? Perhaps I could just pay the government back, the way that MP's like Tony Burke do with a clear conscience?

 

From what I understand about Centrelink, I'm not even eligible for help from them, or their agencies, with looking for work, or retraining. Why? Because I have assets and income? Use up enough of my assets and they MIGHT deign to help me. It was much the same with my Dad when he needed 24X7 care. If he had lived long enough, they would have whittled down his assets until he was left with a few thousand pounds, then the state would have stepped in.

 

Why is it that government always seem to find extra funds for foreign aid, or foreign disaster relief, but they they can't help their own citizens?

 

Ethics don't seem to be a factor in MPs thinking. If they are entitled to it, they take it. I see that Joe Hockey saw nothing wrong in claiming for a number of flights to Cairns 'on government business.' Just a coincidence that he owned a farm there. On his income, he could afford to fly first class there every week of the year. And Tony Burke is no better. What sweet irony that had he not mounted a campaign against Bronwyn Bishop, none of this would have seen the light!

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We are much like your parents. Have lived within our means to save and pay a mortgage. We have done this in order to provide us with a secure retirement; it would not be in our nature to do otherwise. If ultimately this money is needed to fund OUR care then I have no issue with this at all. If someone does not have means for whatever reason then they should be supported. Your point is that you should assess everyone to determine whether in their lifetime they could potentially have saved money and if you decided that they wasted it on booze or whatever that they be denied assistance. Can you not see the flaws in your position?

 

Is that called 'means testing!?' I can see the flaws, but, hypothetically, taking two families with the same income, same number of kids, same home, aren't we entitled to ask why one family has saved enough assets to pay for care, but the other hasn't?

 

Governments WANT us to save for our old age, and save to pay for possible nursing home care, so what inducements should they offer, if any?

 

The 'flaw' in your reasoning is that people who save rather than squander are being 'punished' for their frugality, i.e. WHY save if the government is going to take it back to pay for your old age?

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I suppose I can call myself 'middle class' and over the last six years, since returning to Australia from the UK, I have steadily whittled away at my savings. I work when I can, though I have not looked for work since I started getting my Royal Mail pension. Every few months, or weeks, I transfer some more money from my savings in the UK, or sell one of my stocks, to pay my bills.

 

My income is about $30,000 per year, with no rent or mortage to pay. Given your opinion of the cost of living in Sydney, how would you describe my income level? Would you call me rich and living off the largesse of my parents?

 

What if I hadn't paid my mortgage off, or I was renting a one bedroom flat here in Surry Hills at, say, $500 per week? Would I be entitled to ask for some help from the state?

 

What would your advice be to any of the 30 something guys I know here in Surry Hills who are all renting rooms or flats. They appear to be on very good incomes, and they are always out on the town, or off on holidays overseas. I remember a couple of years ago, one of them told me he was taking home $1,400 per week. He was paying $250 per week for a room in a share house here in Surry Hills and I told him that, without having to 'scrimp' he should be able to save $500 per week.

 

If he had taken my advice (not that I would have done if our positions had been reversed), he would have $50,000 in the bank now. Not a bad deposit. Might not get you a place in Surry Hills, but further out west where many people have to start, he might get something. Or he could just invest it in the stock market.

 

I don't know what the criteria is to be able to put your name down for public housing, but I do know that the waiting time is as long as ten years in parts of Sydney and NSW. I have a friend who lives in one of the huge public housing blocks near me. I went to collect her mail and water her plants yesterday. She actually has a very nice flat, but I loathe going into the building. I have seen prisons that look more welcoming. Most of the people who live there are OK, though 96 per cent of them are on benefits.

 

What is the answer to housing the homeless? I see them bedding down everywhere. Some actually 'camp' in the park near Central station. I imagine it's still much the same in London? You expect Tory governments to be heartless and uncarring, but why can't socialist governments do something about it? Do you think that Jeremy Corbyn has a solution?

 

All depends on what criteria you measure class. I don't base it on earnings personally more a perception of life and interests if had to define it I suppose. If you don't want the $30,000 you get from passive income get rid of it and see how much better you fare on welfare. At least you decide your fate without interference by government agencies and checks on work availability and efforts to find a job and be free to come and go and do whatever.

 

A friend who was on an income to the value of your earnings, once she quit a good position in education, to set up her own business, went overseas. Her business could be done almost as well online and found life far more rewarding in Cambodia where she remains four years later.

Plenty of Aussies rent out their gaffs, dip into super and savings and move abroad and live a life unaffordable in Australia.

 

It is not a question of being rich but like the OZ pension, if you want to be in receipt of it you would do what is necessary to obtain it. Plenty do. Yes you and I can bitch about how unfair the system in Australia is. Unlike you I have a partner who is younger who is expected to care for me before I can access government income. I can not get the pension/super jointly in my own right which in itself is anti family and promotes the living apart.

 

My advice to younger folk would be not to mortgage a life in paying Sydney's grossly over valued housing. I would suggest the distance involved to get to work would cancel out any benefits in cheaper far outer reaches suburbs. Wait for the correction or get out of Sydney and have a life.

There is no easy answer. The young have been well and truly sold down the swanny . Take squatting rights on property empty more than a year perhaps? Vote for change? Become radicalised. What can they do?

 

$50,000 is very little these days. Would that even be enough for a deposit anywhere worth buying?

 

Well it was a Conservative government in UK that closed the mental hospitals which ended up to vast increased numbers living out on the streets. Same applied to a lot of Northerners that came down looking for work to London I the eighties.

Left leaning governments do spend more on social issues. Jeremy Corbyn has a fine pedigree on a range of social issues in the past. No one can answer where he sees the solution until at least he attempts to articulate it.

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I don't fancy going to live in Thailand, The Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, and the like, even if I can live much cheaper. I'm more of a 'First World' person, and I like to have my doctor, dentist, podiatrist, all within easy reach and available. I don't know what I would actually 'DO' if I moved overseas? The only place I did like was Hong Kong, and that is hardly like to be cheaper than Sydney? My brother is presently in Malaysia so that might be an option.

 

I can probably live much more cheaply than I am now, but I love going out in the evenings too much, and to cafes during the day, though I'm frugal in other ways. (My jeans, jacket and shirt cost me $23 from charity shops, and my shoes, whilst $120 were paid for with market research on line survey vouchers, and my car is 22 years old.

 

I don't begrudge most people getting help from the government, although there are some obvious bludgers around my area. The guys washing windows at intersections for gold coins are an obvious rort, and so portentially dangerous I'm surprised the police don't stop it.

 

People keep pointing at the fat cats evading their taxes, and other rorts, but that is not a reason to ignore the people rorting at the other end of the scale. They should both be stopped.

 

It is time for me to draw up another budget!

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so basically you inherited your right to an easy life without welfare?? No wonder you have the privileged attitude you do, try working for your own entitlements before you look down on others. Not saying you haven't worked but not everyone is lucky enough to have an easy life earned by previous generations.

 

what a load of rubbish the last bit it, i am a working class left wing supporter, I probably work harder than you ever have, I do on average of 80 hours a week and have done for a long time, I re trained as an electrician as I got very ill whilst I was a project manager for a drilling company in Qatar at the age of 22, when I was there my shorted week would be 80 hours and I regularly stayed at work for 24 hours. Your idea that anyone that supports the right just believes in a free life is so born out of a ridiculous entitlement it's unreal. I bet that first house you are talking about was aided by some of that inherited money given to you early!! Not saying that's wrong if my parents had the money I would have it too, but it wouldn't make me think I am entitled to look down on those who aren't fortunate enough to have that kick start in life. My wife to be will inherit as good but of money in the future but she would never dream of begrudging people less fortunate the opportunity have en equally comfortable life. Socialism isn't about giving everyone a living it's about ensuring that everyone has an equal start in life, a child born into a family on benefits should have just as much chance of becoming prime minister that the aristocratic right, this is getting further and further away from reality with every new Tory budget.

 

also thanks for that little insight into the basis of your opinion, I was getting frustrated with you to the point I was going to block your borImg posts but knowing you're just one of the entitled amuses me

 

Socialism might SAY it's about giving everybody an equal start in life, but in practice, in every example of a socialist country, a new elite always rises up, whether it is Cuba, China, any of the Iron Curtain failures, and even in the UK, you just get hypocrites like Anthony Wedgewood Benn, who gave up his title, 'socialised his name' but made damn sure he kept every penny of his fortune, and did not will it to anybody poor either.

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I bet Corbyn is another Champagne socialist?! Where does he live? What car does he drive? Which school did he send his kids to?

 

Corbyn appears to live the talk. He and his first wife broke up over her insistence in wanting to send their son to grammar school.

 

Besides that he is hardly a conformist having defied the Labour whip over 400 times. Sounds to be a man of belief and character.

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Socialism might SAY it's about giving everybody an equal start in life, but in practice, in every example of a socialist country, a new elite always rises up, whether it is Cuba, China, any of the Iron Curtain failures, and even in the UK, you just get hypocrites like Anthony Wedgewood Benn, who gave up his title, 'socialised his name' but made damn sure he kept every penny of his fortune, and did not will it to anybody poor either.

 

Benn was a credit to his socialist leanings and articulated with enormous aplomb and grace his misgivings with the issues impacting society. Your dislike of anything left leaning does appear to be pathological in nature where some form of counselling could be of some benefit.

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I don't fancy going to live in Thailand, The Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, and the like, even if I can live much cheaper. I'm more of a 'First World' person, and I like to have my doctor, dentist, podiatrist, all within easy reach and available. I don't know what I would actually 'DO' if I moved overseas? The only place I did like was Hong Kong, and that is hardly like to be cheaper than Sydney? My brother is presently in Malaysia so that might be an option.

 

I can probably live much more cheaply than I am now, but I love going out in the evenings too much, and to cafes during the day, though I'm frugal in other ways. (My jeans, jacket and shirt cost me $23 from charity shops, and my shoes, whilst $120 were paid for with market research on line survey vouchers, and my car is 22 years old.

 

I don't begrudge most people getting help from the government, although there are some obvious bludgers around my area. The guys washing windows at intersections for gold coins are an obvious rort, and so portentially dangerous I'm surprised the police don't stop it.

 

People keep pointing at the fat cats evading their taxes, and other rorts, but that is not a reason to ignore the people rorting at the other end of the scale. They should both be stopped.

 

It is time for me to draw up another budget!

 

Well if you never go, you'll never know. Those countries are full of people on low incomes living out lives undreamt of in many cases in their own countries.

 

You may ever discover a degree of serenity in that part of the world as an added bonus. Why people washing car windows should be of any concern or for that matter the small time rorters which seem to devour all too much of your waking hour worry may be of concern to you in itself.

 

Meanwhile the available cake gets even smaller and those with the least need get ever more. No doubt the one percenters must have a smile on their dial if ever reading such things from the class most impacted.

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Exactly right. Do I hate reading about rich bankers, Govt ministers, directors of companies and their multi million dollar rorts? Of course. But I don't see them every day. What I see is people who look like me, who dont look sick or handicapped or unable to work, so why are they sitting by the station with their mobile phones, cigarettes and alcohol holding signs which say " homeless, jobless, please help," or I see them boozing in the park every day. Some of them ARE homeless and unable to work, but not all of them.

 

And again, why should I excuse little guys' rorts because big guys rort more?

 

In your world only the multiple million dollar robbers are guilty but the little crimes affect little people more. Someone breaking into your home hurts you even if they take nothing compared to the boss of BHP getting $5billion bonus which has no physical effect on you

 

Who are you leaving your assets to anyway? Bequest to the DSS to help fund the unemployed?

 

Ever wondered why some of those folk give up to the extent of drinking in the park. No in my world the multiple million dollar robbers are guilty as they rob society but have little need themselves other than to just acquire wealth and power for reasons of greed.

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Corbyn appears to live the talk. He and his first wife broke up over her insistence in wanting to send their son to grammar school.

 

Besides that he is hardly a conformist having defied the Labour whip over 400 times. Sounds to be a man of belief and character.

 

I suppose his very non-conformity might make him electable as Labour leader, but whether he can attract enough of the swinging voters to win office is another matter.

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Ever wondered why some of those folk give up to the extent of drinking in the park. No in my world the multiple million dollar robbers are guilty as they rob society but have little need themselves other than to just acquire wealth and power for reasons of greed.

 

I do wonder, as I wonder what the solution is? Why not give them all free alcohol/drugs on condition they agree to move to some sort of camp where they will be safe, warm, and off the streets.

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Well if you never go, you'll never know. Those countries are full of people on low incomes living out lives undreamt of in many cases in their own countries.

 

You may ever discover a degree of serenity in that part of the world as an added bonus. Why people washing car windows should be of any concern or for that matter the small time rorters which seem to devour all too much of your waking hour worry may be of concern to you in itself.

 

Meanwhile the available cake gets even smaller and those with the least need get ever more. No doubt the one percenters must have a smile on their dial if ever reading such things from the class most impacted.

 

Well, if those people who wash windows on intersections are actually making enough money to be paying tax, that is one concern. Remember, it wasn't (just) Greece's high rollers who brought it to the brink of financial collapse. All the 'little' Greeks contributed by avoiding tax, refusing to pay fares on their 'honour' system metro in Athens, working the 'black' economy, etc.

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ok here's a scenario for you because i received prejudice like yours from idiots in the UK when I was ill.

 

 

I have chrons disease which is a serious bowel condition, to look at me other than having dad circles around my eyes from the fatigue I looked ok, I got enough to pay for my house and the top rate of Motability so I could have a car to go to hospital as in Cornwall trelisk is the only well equipped hospital and that's 16 miles from St Austell where I grew up. Now trust me I was very ill, I have had a full collectomy and will have a colostomy until the day I died and I chose to have this after being told my options were limited and both involved various possibilities of death. I am one of those claimants who doesn't look ill, I had people ask me why should I have a nice car when I don't work!! My response was always "I'll take your shitty little job and you can have my 30+ trips to the toilet during the day and 30+ trips during the night and the crippling pain and 45 pills a day"

 

small minded views ides such as yours are completely based on prejudice born straight out of the pages of the daily fail rather than any actual reality of any situation that actual exists. Your ignorance and quite uneducated view of the world is sad for someone who seems to so unreservedly support the right wing ideals of wealth before people. You seem to look down on people as if you are superior and have some extra intellect when in fact your view stinks of one born from fear and a lack of intellect and individual thinking.

 

 

And @flagofconvenience @quinlka thank you for joining in I was starting to feel like I was the only one in this battle lol

 

As you like to appeal to emotions, I thought I'd like to share the history of my fascist, class traitor parents with you. On 30th September, 1997, my Mother was knocked over by a dog in her driveway. Seventeen pointless, useless days later, she died in hospital, which y just about destroyed my father.

 

He could and should have sued the owner of the dog, but he didn't. Why? Because he was worried he might bankrupt a neighbour. Which is another reason I feel he was sold out by the 'system' forcing him to pay off his assets to pay for his nursing home care. Thanks from a grateful nation to a war hero but we've got no money for you, though we can find plenty for foreign aid, illegal immigrants, and home-grown bludgers who have never done a day's work in their lives.

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I suppose his very non-conformity might make him electable as Labour leader, but whether he can attract enough of the swinging voters to win office is another matter.

 

The swingers will do what they do best..swing. More important the many that have disengaged from the political apparatus, as to whether a clear alternative,apart from the same or similar tosh on offer by both leading parties, will engage those folk to give the electoral system another try.

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As you like to appeal to emotions, I thought I'd like to share the history of my fascist, class traitor parents with you. On 30th September, 1997, my Mother was knocked over by a dog in her driveway. Seventeen pointless, useless days later, she died in hospital, which y just about destroyed my father.

 

He could and should have sued the owner of the dog, but he didn't. Why? Because he was worried he might bankrupt a neighbour. Which is another reason I feel he was sold out by the 'system' forcing him to pay off his assets to pay for his nursing home care. Thanks from a grateful nation to a war hero but we've got no money for you, though we can find plenty for foreign aid, illegal immigrants, and home-grown bludgers who have never done a day's work in their lives.

 

Hardly the fault of a socialist though. A system that introduced welfare after the war. How many so called 'war hero's' faded away after the war I wonder? Still today service men complain of their care from recent conflicts. Hardly matter which colour the government it would appear.

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Well, if those people who wash windows on intersections are actually making enough money to be paying tax, that is one concern. Remember, it wasn't (just) Greece's high rollers who brought it to the brink of financial collapse. All the 'little' Greeks contributed by avoiding tax, refusing to pay fares on their 'honour' system metro in Athens, working the 'black' economy, etc.

 

In theory but hardly worth a bother. In Greece most everyone that could had a finger in the pie. Shades of Australia in some respects but not thinking of window screen washers as being so much the culprit.

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I do wonder, as I wonder what the solution is? Why not give them all free alcohol/drugs on condition they agree to move to some sort of camp where they will be safe, warm, and off the streets.

 

Well they may not stay for one. Some seek a connection with others. Others are too zonked to know what is best for them. Never forget though the markings of a civil society is how they treat their most vulnerable. Pouring scorn seldom gets results.

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I've no argument with you getting free treatment for your horrible disease which I would DREAD getting, but explain this to me.

 

My Dad, born in 1916, one of eight kids, brought up thru the depression and unemployment of the 1920s and 1930s, volunteers in 1939 just after the outbreak of WW2, active service on all fronts, eg Dunkirk 1940, Italy 1943/44, demobbed in 1946, then works without a day on the dole until he is 65., bringing up three kids, paying mortgage, then, at the end of his life, when he needs 24x7 nursing care, why, if you get all these wonderful things free, should he be stripped if his assets and home to pay for HIS care?

 

Then, at the end of his life, when he

 

 

It's unfortunate that this has to happen but at the end of the day elderly care is far far more expensive than normal care for your average sick person therefore making it very expensive: unfortunately to be able to allow the other people who need it and can't afford it to get the appropriate treatment not everyone can have it for free. Rich elderly people can't take their wealth with them to the grave so if they need that treatment they should pay for it in order to ensure that the system works for everyone. It's unfortunate but that situation will never change under the right whereas it could have done if there was someone like corbyn in instead of Blair. More privatisation means more cost to everyone not just the rich so you'll be left with the worse situation where the rich still have to sell their assets to get the care but the poor just won't get it.

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It was a Labour Govt in power when my dad needed his long term care and being lefties who think we should not have fought against Hitler, they basically said to him "@@@@ off. What do we care about your WW2 service. We have to pay for illegal immigrants and bludgers. They are more deserving than you.

 

 

 

So would you begrudge my grandad the care he received when he dies in hospital because he wasn't English?? My grandad spent 4 years in auschwitz and came to this country after his village had been destroyed and he had no choice but to go to the UK or America!! He worked his entire life and paid his taxes yet he wasn't allowed to go and visit his birth place before he died because he wouldn't have been allowed back into the country by your mate thatcher!!

 

he was just the same as the people you look down on, all those people in Calais may not be fleeing Nazi Germany but many are fleeing the Taliban or isis and if they got here they would work just as hard as anyone in this country but because you won the post code birth lottery you think you have more right to compassion and life than them??

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There is nothing wrong with structuring your affairs to legally reduce the amount of tax you pay. Whether it is ethical is questionable. But for the little people, deductions are often structured in this way as this is where the govt wants to direct money. As for business and individuals, if the govt wanted to close the loopholes, they would.

 

 

The way I see it is I am happy to pay my tax to allow others less fortunate to get the assistance they need but this should be applied to everyone. What incentive does your average self employed one man band have to properly assess his taxes when you have the likes of Google and Amazon getting away with billions in unpaid tax?

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I suppose I can call myself 'middle class' and over the last six years, since returning to Australia from the UK, I have steadily whittled away at my savings. I work when I can, though I have not looked for work since I started getting my Royal Mail pension. Every few months, or weeks, I transfer some more money from my savings in the UK, or sell one of my stocks, to pay my bills.

 

My income is about $30,000 per year, with no rent or mortage to pay. Given your opinion of the cost of living in Sydney, how would you describe my income level? Would you call me rich and living off the largesse of my parents?

 

What if I hadn't paid my mortgage off, or I was renting a one bedroom flat here in Surry Hills at, say, $500 per week? Would I be entitled to ask for some help from the state?

 

What would your advice be to any of the 30 something guys I know here in Surry Hills who are all renting rooms or flats. They appear to be on very good incomes, and they are always out on the town, or off on holidays overseas. I remember a couple of years ago, one of them told me he was taking home $1,400 per week. He was paying $250 per week for a room in a share house here in Surry Hills and I told him that, without having to 'scrimp' he should be able to save $500 per week.

 

If he had taken my advice (not that I would have done if our positions had been reversed), he would have $50,000 in the bank now. Not a bad deposit. Might not get you a place in Surry Hills, but further out west where many people have to start, he might get something. Or he could just invest it in the stock market.

 

I don't know what the criteria is to be able to put your name down for public housing, but I do know that the waiting time is as long as ten years in parts of Sydney and NSW. I have a friend who lives in one of the huge public housing blocks near me. I went to collect her mail and water her plants yesterday. She actually has a very nice flat, but I loathe going into the building. I have seen prisons that look more welcoming. Most of the people who live there are OK, though 96 per cent of them are on benefits.

 

What is the answer to housing the homeless? I see them bedding down everywhere. Some actually 'camp' in the park near Central station. I imagine it's still much the same in London? You expect Tory governments to be heartless and uncarring, but why can't socialist governments do something about it? Do you think that Jeremy Corbyn has a solution?

 

 

I think you'll find socialist governments did do something about it, homelessness went den considerably under the last labour government only to rise considerably under the last 5 years of a Tory one. it's very noticeable, in bath there's a halfway house and the steps outside are full of people they don't have enough room for. You'll never completely get rid f homelessness because some people are beyond help in other ways other than just being poor. Also the fact that you make this point and support a party who have in the past and are again selling off council housing in order to buy votes from the stupid people who think if you own a house you are a Tory voter is so ironic it's unreal, it's like you don't see the contradiction in pretty much ALL of your political posts.

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