MARYROSE02 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I'm sorry but you're wrong here when it comes to the public sector sub contracting to the private sector. They go with the lowest bid and usually the lowest bid has been made by vastly underestimating the cost of running the contract and more often than not leads to poor standard of service. Like I said I work for MITIE who are one of those companies that provides a very poor service due to this type of operation, our most common complaint they comes from literally every site I go on is that most of the engineers are great but the company as a whole is a joke, especially the cleaning side. other companies such as servo, capita and corillion all seem to be very much the same, although I do think Mitie take the biscuit. It's become worse lately because there's less competition because companies like MITIE bought out the smaller ones when the GFC hit so the people looking for the service have less choice. It's almost like the last election when you say it like that, the choice was absolute pricks and people who think they need to act like absolute pricks to get voted in Oh well, nationalise everything again and we will have no problems. Look at the way a handful of Tube drivers can tell ten million Londoners to @@@@ off because they dont want to run a 24 hour service on weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Oh well, nationalise everything again and we will have no problems. Look at the way a handful of Tube drivers can tell ten million Londoners to @@@@ off because they dont want to run a 24 hour service on weekends. Yes and good on them, why should a company just be able to change the terms of your contract and you have to suck it up? You take a job because of the terms on offer at the time. I think that the tube drivers are well paid and I think it's crazy how much they are paid but that doesn't mean that they should just lay down and take something they are not happy about.. People don't strike because they are happy they strike to make a stand.. If boris wants a 24 hour weekend service then maybe he should hire the staff to do it who have it in their contract!! I suppose in your world we'd all just do as we were told to make sure that those shareholders keep lining their pockets.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Oh well, nationalise everything again and we will have no problems. Look at the way a handful of Tube drivers can tell ten million Londoners to @@@@ off because they dont want to run a 24 hour service on weekends. They currently earn £49k a year and have been offered a £2000 bonus and other incentives. I certainly don't want to see a return to the nationalised inefficiencies for the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yes and good on them, why should a company just be able to change the terms of your contract and you have to suck it up? You take a job because of the terms on offer at the time. I think that the tube drivers are well paid and I think it's crazy how much they are paid but that doesn't mean that they should just lay down and take something they are not happy about.. People don't strike because they are happy they strike to make a stand.. If boris wants a 24 hour weekend service then maybe he should hire the staff to do it who have it in their contract!! I suppose in your world we'd all just do as we were told to make sure that those shareholders keep lining their pockets.... The London Underground is supposed to be a public service. The drivers are incredibly well paid with generous leave. How dare they strike because they don't want to offer a 24 hour service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 The London Underground is supposed to be a public service. The drivers are incredibly well paid with generous leave. How dare they strike because they don't want to offer a 24 hour service. tbh unless there's some info about why they are striking that I don't know about then I actually agree with you on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 The London Underground is supposed to be a public service. The drivers are incredibly well paid with generous leave. How dare they strike because they don't want to offer a 24 hour service. If you sign a contract that says yes I work Monday to Friday and you will get paid £50k a year and then 10 years down the line they say oh by the way you now have to work weekends around the clock, you'd say yes ok sir!!! Feck that.... it's a public service, I don't see working 24 hours over the weekend as essential at all, it's not going to make the economy better, in fact it will harm London cabbies. if you sign a contract with a company to offer a service you can't change the condition of the contract without the other party agreeing to the changes, why is it different when it's employee employer?? It's not because although I know you would like it to be this way but it's not downton Abbey ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungo Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yes and good on them, why should a company just be able to change the terms of your contract and you have to suck it up? You take a job because of the terms on offer at the time. I think that the tube drivers are well paid and I think it's crazy how much they are paid but that doesn't mean that they should just lay down and take something they are not happy about.. People don't strike because they are happy they strike to make a stand.. If boris wants a 24 hour weekend service then maybe he should hire the staff to do it who have it in their contract!! I suppose in your world we'd all just do as we were told to make sure that those shareholders keep lining their pockets.... Nobody will be forced to take on longer hours. Nobody will be forced to work more than five days in seven. Nobody will have any fewer weekends off than they do now. Employees will be able to refuse night shifts. There will be significant financial benefits of working the new shifts. I bet there will be plenty more than happy to take the extra money on offer. Just more lefties trying to grind the country to a halt. They should be sacked and people with a better work ethic given a shot at the £50k jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 tbh unless there's some info about why they are striking that I don't know about then I actually agree with you on this one So if your boss told you your working week went from 9-5 Monday Friday to a 7 day rota with day and night shifts you wouldn't be pissed off?? Their wages have nothing to do with it, they are insanely well paid but that was the case before just because they are well paid it doesn't mean they should lay down and take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Nobody will be forced to take on longer hours. Nobody will be forced to work more than five days in seven. Nobody will have any fewer weekends off than they do now. Employees will be able to refuse night shifts. There will be significant financial benefits of working the new shifts. I bet there will be plenty more than happy to take the extra money on offer. Just more lefties trying to grind the country to a halt. They should be sacked and people with a better work ethic given a shot at the £50k jobs. Well obviously that's not the case otherwise there wouldn't be strikes as it takes a majority to vote for strike action, if nobody was going to be forced to do it then they'd just get on with it and the trains wouldn't run, it's unfortunate that it comes to striking but the underground shouldn't allow it to get that far by offering the rates people want. Love the "lefties trying to grind the country to a halt" far better than tipping the cap and calling our superiors sir, because they are not superior they think they are but they are not we are all equal!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 If you sign a contract that says yes I work Monday to Friday and you will get paid £50k a year and then 10 years down the line they say oh by the way you now have to work weekends around the clock, you'd say yes ok sir!!! Feck that.... it's a public service, I don't see working 24 hours over the weekend as essential at all, it's not going to make the economy better, in fact it will harm London cabbies. if you sign a contract with a company to offer a service you can't change the condition of the contract without the other party agreeing to the changes, why is it different when it's employee employer?? It's not because although I know you would like it to be this way but it's not downton Abbey ! Can London cabbies cope with the 24x7 service? WHY should they work 24 hours anyway? Why should anybody work 24 x 7? You want anybody who wants to stay out late to either walk home or get a cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Why not close every shop, every pub, every cinema at ten on Friday till Mon morning. Why should anybody.have to wiork outside 9 to 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 So if your boss told you your working week went from 9-5 Monday Friday to a 7 day rota with day and night shifts you wouldn't be pissed off?? Their wages have nothing to do with it, they are insanely well paid but that was the case before just because they are well paid it doesn't mean they should lay down and take it are they being forced to do this? I thought it was that they are given the option. There are plenty people who would be happy to have these jobs. It feels like they strike at the slightest thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 God.. Does this mean im agreeing with the Pio tories lol :tongue: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Can London cabbies cope with the 24x7 service? WHY should they work 24 hours anyway? Why should anybody work 24 x 7? You want anybody who wants to stay out late to either walk home or get a cab. Yes they hey can get a cab or the night bus, people in London have been doing it for years. I do. Cabbies knew the condition of that Jon when they took it, I'm not saying people shouldn't work through the night I'm saying if you sign a contract it should be honoured and not changed on you and just taken as a given. If we let that happen employers just take the piss and do as they please. Pointless debating it as we will never agree, you believe in money I believe in people, any Londoner who moans about the tube strikes would be exactly the same if their job role was being changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 are they being forced to do this? I thought it was that they are given the option. There are plenty people who would be happy to have these jobs. It feels like they strike at the slightest thing. The Tories would have you believe it's a choice but who drives the trains when nobody wants to work the weekend??? There has to be a majority to vote for a strike so obviously more are unhappy about it and unwilling to work than not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Why not close every shop, every pub, every cinema at ten on Friday till Mon morning. Why should anybody.have to wiork outside 9 to 5 What a ridiculous comment, it's got nothing to do with working unsociable hours it's about being forced to do so or having your contract changed, the workers are probably more than happy to do the work of certain conditions are met and the government aren't meeting them. I know In the Tories perfect world we'd all live with 4 generations in one house being paid £3.50 for 90 hours work and doing as they say, you're an electrician but guess what today you are cleaning toilets!! The funniest part of the "working class Tories" is they genuinely don't get that to them we're all the same and the capitalists would screw you lot over just as quick as they would us, difference is we have the balls to stand up for what we believe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tea4too Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Life is rarely as black and white as some have painted on this thread and, while the media has been pretty quick to castigate tube drivers, as I understand it most of the striking staff are actually station staff who are on a lot less pay and are primarily worried about the hours and shift patterns they will be required to work. This link provides an alternative view, one from a striker’s perspective - http://strongerunions.org/2015/08/05/tubestrike-why-ill-be-striking-over-compulsory-all-night-shifts/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Life is rarely as black and white as some have painted on this thread and, while the media has been pretty quick to castigate tube drivers, as I understand it most of the striking staff are actually station staff who are on a lot less pay and are primarily worried about the hours and shift patterns they will be required to work. This link provides an alternative view, one from a striker’s perspective - http://strongerunions.org/2015/08/05/tubestrike-why-ill-be-striking-over-compulsory-all-night-shifts/ NOOOOO!!! It's all lies. They are all on £50k a year, lazy lefty bastards who want to sit at home getting givien millions for doing nothing... Funny how how the loss take derogatory statement I aimed towards the strikers is an accurate description of the pre politics career of the average over privileged Tory MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Life is rarely as black and white as some have painted on this thread and, while the media has been pretty quick to castigate tube drivers, as I understand it most of the striking staff are actually station staff who are on a lot less pay and are primarily worried about the hours and shift patterns they will be required to work. This link provides an alternative view, one from a striker’s perspective - http://strongerunions.org/2015/08/05/tubestrike-why-ill-be-striking-over-compulsory-all-night-shifts/ I read it and the comments. If you don't like the conditions, then get another job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I read it and the comments. If you don't like the conditions, then get another job. If the world worked that way your have no workers rights at all, and you would achieved your dream of a 21st century upstairs downstairs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 If the world worked that way your have no workers rights at all, and you would achieved your dream of a 21st century upstairs downstairs I hate workers in essential industries who ALWAYS seem to go on strike at the worst possible time, whether for commuters, or holidaymakers, then they apologise (or not on the case of those horrible French farmers) for the inconvenience. Strikes are a horrible way of imposing your will anyway. And I hate that @@@@ YOU" attitude. Ten million people or more forcrd into horrible jams and crowds and who cares if any of them suffer physical or mental illness and accidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) I hate workers in essential industries who ALWAYS seem to go on strike at the worst possible time, whether for commuters, or holidaymakers, then they apologise (or not on the case of those horrible French farmers) for the inconvenience. Strikes are a horrible way of imposing your will anyway. And I hate that @@@@ YOU" attitude. Ten million people or more forcrd into horrible jams and crowds and who cares if any of them suffer physical or mental illness and accidents. that's because your attitude is, why is it effecting ME, why should I been inconvenienced, the right wing thought that it's all about them. Which is highlighted in your post when you say it bothers you when it's in essenti industries, if this was a private company offering a service that doesn't make the headlines you wouldn't give a crap because it doesn't effect you or your right wing ideals. And you're over playing your hand a little here, oh dear a few extra people have to queue for the buses and maybe wait a little longer for a train, oh how will the bankers ever cope without this?? How will they not end up in a mental home??? It's probably a good thing the bankers take longer to get to work could save the country some cash, I mean we need to recoup that £1bn Osbourne just gave away. I was in London for the tube strike a few weeks ago and I've been there in the past for them, it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience, my inconvenience is much less hassle than the workers On the tubes if they are forced to work night shifts on the weekends or maybe even have to quit their jobs because their lifestyle and home commitments wouldn't allow them to work these hours. You say you hate the @@@@ you attitude yet that's exactly what you have, difference is theirs leads to a few people having to leave early for work and yours leads to people quitting their jobs.. You on are just a typical self serving right wind nut job who thinks everyone should just do as they are told whether they like it or not, no individuality allowed. North Korea would be a utopia for you, everyone in an orderly queue working all the hours God sends with photos of Cameron and Osborn on your living room walls Edited August 8, 2015 by Skyba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 People in london are really extreme about getting to places on time. I couldn't believe the amount of people who would squeeze on a tube just to get there a few minutes early. Looked like one of those trains in India where they are all hanging on at the side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 that's because your attitude is, why is it effecting ME, why should I been inconvenienced, the right wing thought that it's all about them. Which is highlighted in your post when you say it bothers you when it's in essenti industries, if this was a private company offering a service that doesn't make the headlines you wouldn't give a crap because it doesn't effect you or your right wing ideals. And you're over playing your hand a little here, oh dear a few extra people have to queue for the buses and maybe wait a little longer for a train, oh how will the bankers ever cope without this?? How will they not end up in a mental home??? It's probably a good thing the bankers take longer to get to work could save the country some cash, I mean we need to recoup that £1bn Osbourne just gave away. I was in London for the tube strike a few weeks ago and I've been there in the past for them, it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience, my inconvenience is much less hassle than the workers On the tubes if they are forced to work night shifts on the weekends or maybe even have to quit their jobs because their lifestyle and home commitments wouldn't allow them to work these hours. You say you hate the @@@@ you attitude yet that's exactly what you have, difference is theirs leads to a few people having to leave early for work and yours leads to people quitting their jobs.. You on are just a typical self serving right wind nut job who thinks everyone should just do as they are told whether they like it or not, no individuality allowed. North Korea would be a utopia for you, everyone in an orderly queue working all the hours God sends with photos of Cameron and Osborn on your living room walls If N Korea was ruled by a Tory dictator, think Singapore, or Malaysia, rather than the socialist utopia taken to its apex, N Korea WOULD be a good place to live. Why does N Korea fail and S Korea succeed? Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyba Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) If N Korea was ruled by a Tory dictator, think Singapore, or Malaysia, rather than the socialist utopia taken to its apex, N Korea WOULD be a good place to live. Why does N Korea fail and S Korea succeed? Go figure. Because South Korea doesn't force all of its citizens to do as they say at all costs and allowed individualism which creates ideas and drives countries forward. The freedom to be able to object to things which you are so against is what made this country what it is, without the left you'd be in the same boat as everyone else, you wouldn't be part of the upstairs crew.... The only difference between working class left and right is the left haven't forgotten where they came from. Your Tory party is doing its best to adopt the North Korean and Russian rules on freedom of speech so why not go the whole hog hey.. Edited August 8, 2015 by Skyba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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