Dual citizenship

[Diane]

So apart from Germany and the Netherlands, which other countries don't allow you to hold dual citizenship? Does the US?

[dmjg]

So apart from Germany and the Netherlands, which other countries don't allow you to hold dual citizenship? Does the US?

 

Before 2002, Australia.

 

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/dual_citizenship/

[JockinTas]

So apart from Germany and the Netherlands, which other countries don't allow you to hold dual citizenship? Does the US?

 

Austria and Japan.

 

The US does allow dual citizenship. One of my friends has British and US citizenship.

[benj1980]

Dutch citizen who would be required to renounce my citizenship if I ever decided to take Australian.

 

Makes the whole thing quite hard to figure out. I don't want to renounce my Dutch citizenship because I am very proud. I also couldn't imagine having to apply for a visa to go home! :unsure:

 

Having said that, I am actually also entitled to Irish citizenship. I'm considering going for that and renouncing my Dutch, before I apply for any sort of Australian visa, because as an Irish citizen, you can have dual. Also, that way I wouldn't have to apply for a visa every time I wanted to come home to Europe.

 

ARRGRHHH, I can't decide what to do. I wish Dutch people could have dual citizenship. It's kind of upsetting that your government doesn't want you, once you've gone away to try and better yourself. :-(

 

 

So you're not proud enough of your Dutch citizenship to not switch to Irish?! What a strange predicament to be in. I presumed all European countries allowed dual nationality.

[annagilda]

So you're not proud enough of your Dutch citizenship to not switch to Irish?! What a strange predicament to be in. I presumed all European countries allowed dual nationality.

 

I don't understand what you mean? I AM proud enough of my Dutch citizenship to potentially not switch to Irish, (which I am entitled to.) I just haven't decided yet.

 

No, not all European countries allow dual nationality.

[Parley]

British citizenship lapsed about 10 years ago and I won't renew it- always use Australian passport. When I think about it it was more like 20 years ago. Time flies.

 

I'm always surprised how many people confuse citizenship and passports thinking they are the same thing.

 

Citizenship never lapses. You were a citizen from the day you were born and will still have it until you die.

A passport is just a travel document which you need to renew. Whether it has lapsed has no bearing on your citizenship.

[Diane]

I'm always surprised how many people confuse citizenship and passports thinking they are the same thing.

 

Citizenship never lapses. You were a citizen from the day you were born and will still have it until you die.

A passport is just a travel document which you need to renew. Whether it has lapsed has no bearing on your citizenship.

 

Actually, you don't have to have it till the day you die - you can renounce it. There is a form you fill out to do so. If you want to serve in Federal Parliament and are a dual citizen, you have to renounce any other citizenship you hold- it's in the constitution, and several pollies have had to resign their posts when it has been found they did not do so....

[benj1980]

I don't understand what you mean? I AM proud enough of my Dutch citizenship to potentially not switch to Irish, (which I am entitled to.) I just haven't decided yet.

 

No, not all European countries allow dual nationality.

 

Sorry I didn't make it very clear. You said you were very proud of your Dutch citizenship but then said you'd consider Irish citizenship. Which would cancel your Dutch but allow you dual nationality as well. I was merely stating its a bizarre situation, going from Dutch to Aus/Irish in a small period of time. I appreciate the benefits!

[Rossmoyne]

Before 2002, Australia.

 

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/dual_citizenship/

 

But wasn't that only Australian Citizens who applied for citizenship of another country, and not citizens of other countries who applied for Australian citizenship? Or have I got that wrong?

[Rossmoyne]

Actually, you don't have to have it till the day you die - you can renounce it. There is a form you fill out to do so. If you want to serve in Federal Parliament and are a dual citizen, you have to renounce any other citizenship you hold- it's in the constitution, and several pollies have had to resign their posts when it has been found they did not do so....

 

... and isn't there some recent controversy about whether the budgie smuggler PM has actually revoked his UK Citizenship?

[Diane]

... and isn't there some recent controversy about whether the budgie smuggler PM has actually revoked his UK Citizenship?

 

You might say that... I couldn't possibly comment (Ah, House of Cards, such a good series!)

[Rossmoyne]

You might say that... I couldn't possibly comment (Ah, House of Cards, such a good series!)

 

Possibly a direct quote from that UK show Yes Minister! Love it....

[dmjg]

But wasn't that only Australian Citizens who applied for citizenship of another country, and not citizens of other countries who applied for Australian citizenship? Or have I got that wrong?

 

I think you are correct.

[Diane]

Possibly a direct quote from that UK show Yes Minister! Love it....

 

Francis Urquhart in House of Cards - but could easily have been Yes Minister!

[silencio]

I'm always surprised how many people confuse citizenship and passports thinking they are the same thing.

 

Citizenship never lapses. You were a citizen from the day you were born and will still have it until you die.

A passport is just a travel document which you need to renew. Whether it has lapsed has no bearing on your citizenship.

 

I might be wrong but wasn't it until 2001/2002 that Australia didn't allow dual citizenship and therefore many British people though the UK always allowed double citizenship had to renounce their British one?

I know a German fellow who had to go to the German Embassy in 1997 or so and provide the Australian authorities with an official Embassy statement that she really renounced her citizenship before she could obtain the Australian one. I doubt Australia would have made any exemptions in those days and that fact applied to British nationals as well and therefore many British people couldn't opt for dual nationality as well?

[silencio]

I don't understand what you mean? I AM proud enough of my Dutch citizenship to potentially not switch to Irish, (which I am entitled to.) I just haven't decided yet.

 

No, not all European countries allow dual nationality.

 

I can completely understand how you feel! Giving something up what's an important part of identity, your Dutch nationality. You're absolutely right the Dutch have a similar strict citizenship Act like I have to suffer from whereas the German law is completely contradictory or should I say perverse: a child of foreign migrants born in Germany will automatically become and stay German for ever and inherit the parents citizenship no matter where they are from, but born and bread Germans who migrate outside the European Union will loose German citizenship on the day of the pledge as the Citizenship Act has a nasty clause declaring dual nationality null and void for all citizenship applications outside the EU.

 

We're no longer 'valuable tax payers' there, not contributing and no benefit for the 'home country' and therefore Government has put obstacles in our way!

[ABL275]

Yep - posted my application off a couple of weeks back....

[starlight7]

I don't like the upside down Australian flag- I find it insulting.

[Diane]

I don't like the upside down Australian flag- I find it insulting.

 

It's a recognised sign of distress, and all the time Abbott is at the helm, the good ship Australia is in serious distress, and heading for the rocks.

[16000km]

I can completely understand how you feel! Giving something up what's an important part of identity, your Dutch nationality. You're absolutely right the Dutch have a similar strict citizenship Act like I have to suffer from whereas the German law is completely contradictory or should I say perverse: a child of foreign migrants born in Germany will automatically become and stay German for ever and inherit the parents citizenship no matter where they are from, but born and bread Germans who migrate outside the European Union will loose German citizenship on the day of the pledge as the Citizenship Act has a nasty clause declaring dual nationality null and void for all citizenship applications outside the EU.

 

We're no longer 'valuable tax payers' there, not contributing and no benefit for the 'home country' and therefore Government has put obstacles in our way!

 

I am German and have dual citizenship for AUS and Germany, it is possible. You have to apply for and be granted a document called Beibehaltungsgenehmigung before you take up AUS citizenship. As long as you can prove that you have measurable disadvantages by not becoming a citizen, and that you stil have ties to Germany, you should't have any problems to obtain the BBG certificate.

 

As for children born to migrants in Germany, I think you will find that they have to decide whether they want german or their parents citizenship when they turn 18.

[Penelope Pitstop]

If you are Indian you can't have dual citizenship. My work colleague and her husband have become Australian citizens but her adult son won't give up his Indian citizenship.

[Que Sera Sera]

Lucky and honoured to have Citizenship in two amazing countries.

[silencio]

16000km what you mentioned is not true for everybody. Beibehaltungsgenehmigung=special permission yes that's what I've taking about but in an English forum I don't use German words as not everybody would understand.

My partner is German by descent and therefore is not able to apply for dual nationality, due to the simple fact that he has not many ties to Germany (he only has one parent who is German). I doubt that he's even not able to communicate in officialise like you and I would be able to.

Wonderful if you were able to do so but in hubbies case even my friends from the German 'Beibehaltungsclub' groups.yahoo.zweipaesse couldn't help us with advise as we are belonging to a group of people were the authorities would never give a grant!!! Maybe we could inquire in a German phone directory to find the necessary 'German ties' was one piece of funny advise we've got.

Well, I have other reasons for myself why I won't do it as I find it humiliating to prove what I always was and always will be and then they take money as well, around 500 AUD, no thanks.

And don't forget when you were about to prepare your application: writing a 'Beibehaltungsgenehmigung' is easy-peasy, a 12 year old could do that in 30 minutes from the zweipaesse yahoo files. But to proof what you've stated is the harder part (and the authorities insist on evidence!), in our case not possible Generalisations that you were successful fantastic, but as we parties involved all know to use 'white lies' in order to get the special permission through.

Edited July 1, 2015 by silencio

[silencio]

Quote 16000 km: "As for children born to migrants in Germany, I think you will find that they have to decide whether they want german or their parents citizenship when they turn 18."

Sorry that's wrong again, as the relevant Citizenship act changed last year! No need to decide' anymore. Please don't state false advise here, as it's very misleading. I thought you have German ties?

Edited July 1, 2015 by silencio

[FTA]

This topic is timely given that Australia is pushing to strip Australian ctizenship of 'terrorists" who hold dual citizenship.

Canada just introduced the same bill.

So if you have dual citizenship with Canada, and you visit Iraq or Syria, you can potentally be stripped of both citizenships and become stateless.