Guest Guest66881 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Two carers have been filmed slapping, jabbing and humiliating a brain-damaged patient as he lay groaning in bed at a £3,000-a-week Priory hospital. Rita Page, 68, and Lynette Crook, 33, were caught smacking the young victim’s legs and swearing at him as they changed his bedding in Bury, Greater Manchester. On the secretly-filmed tape, Page can be heard saying: ‘You won’t beat us, b******. There’s this very fine line between abuse and neglect.’ +11 Concerns: The footage was filmed between August 28 and September 19 in 2012 by the patient's family who were worried about the victim's treatment at the privately-run hospital +11 Investigation: Healthcare assistants Rita Page and Lynette Crook were suspended from their duties and were arrested after the footage was handed over to police +11 Abuse: The victim, who had suffered brain damage following an accident when he was a youngster, cannot be named for legal reasons http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588690/Two-carers-slap-jab-humiliate-brain-damaged-patient-Priory-hospital.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidensarah Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Absolutely disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest66881 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Why work hard to get into this line of work only to treat humans in such a nasty way, some people are beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 They may be unqualified workers Paul ... and whilst this is truly terrible and I hope that they are/were punished for it - we also need to remember that there are many good health care workers and people like this in my experience are few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest66881 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 They may be unqualified workers Paul ... and whilst this is truly terrible and I hope that they are/were punished for it - we also need to remember that there are many good health care workers and people like this in my experience are few and far between. Oh i understand that Ali, my gripe is with these two filmed of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownEyedGal Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Hi I feel disgusted with the behaviour of these women. However they worked with other vulnerable people and so what transpired may only be a small sample of their antisocial behaviour. Unfortunately there is a lot of that behaviour especially in hospitals too. Not all nurses and helpers are 'nice and caring' people. It takes a lot of skill, practice and patience to roll move, be aware of soft tissue, damaged bones, catheters etc on someone that is physically disabled and a number of nurses don't have that skill; speaking from experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londongal76 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 The carers in my Dads care home left a lot to be desired. They had no skills with working with dementia or leaving him some dignity, and he would be terrified of them every time they came to 'care' for him. Apart from literally only one or two who were lovely the rest wouldn't be working there had I been in charge. Sadly they're run as a business these days and staffing levels are minimal, wages are low all to increase profits and workers overworked. The whole system is wrong and being run the way it is makes care the last thing that's thought of in the managements eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxboz Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 This is so sickening but this is the way things are going. People who could not get a job polishing shoes now get jobs as carers. They do not have to have any qualifications. God help us all in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Sadly, the most vulnerable in our society are subject to the ministrations of the least able (children and the elderly). My mum has, however, had some amazing Carers - truly talented and dedicated people but there have been one or two we have been glad she is not alone with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Infuriates me that kind of thing,bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I'm not a violent person at all but I know what I would want to do with them it it was a member of my family they were doing that to. Sick scumbags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maruska Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Disgusting :realmad: and sad. I hope they serve some time in jail for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koopmaster Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 they should be shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tappers2oz Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Hi I feel disgusted with the behaviour of these women. However they worked with other vulnerable people and so what transpired may only be a small sample of their antisocial behaviour. Unfortunately there is a lot of that behaviour especially in hospitals too. Not all nurses and helpers are 'nice and caring' people. It takes a lot of skill, practice and patience to roll move, be aware of soft tissue, damaged bones, catheters etc on someone that is physically disabled and a number of nurses don't have that skill; speaking from experience. I disagree that this happens a lot in hospitals. I have worked in 3 or 4 different hospitals and haven't witnessed this type of behaviour. Sure some people really shouldn't be doing the job because they are not empathetic enough and are very cold giving the appropriate 'care' but this, in my view, is a lot more common in 'care' homes then hospitals. Also the people in the pics above are probably care assistants who haven't spent 3 years and a lot of money and hard work getting a degree. I am not putting hca's down at all, I am one but I put 100% into my patients care but there are those who don't. Again in my view/experience there are a lot more hca's then nurses who shouldn't be doing the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisher1 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 As long as we accept untrained care assistants and pay them minimum wages there will be a (hopefully small) percentage who behave in this sickening way. I would certainly install a hidden camera if my mum was in a care home. Having said this, my elderly aunt is in a care home and she is care for really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon4017 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 As long as we accept untrained care assistants and pay them minimum wages there will be a (hopefully small) percentage who behave in this sickening way. First, I haven't read through the story nor watched the full video. Nor do I feel any need to offer an explanation for this kind of behaviour. But, some of the posts have revealed why this kind of things happens. Are these people really "Scum of the Earth"? Are they abusing people in their care for fun or gratification, or is there ill-treatment born out of simply wanting to make their lives easier. I think probably the latter. It could be that these two individuals are low-paid and low-motivated. They may view their job as a production line of beds to be made and mouths to be fed. They may have an abject lack of empathy with the people in their care. It could be that any delays in the morning routine won't be compensated by extra help. Point being, that working in this kind of care brings it's own frustrations that working in an office doesn't. If you've never worked in aged care or a dementia ward, you're really not qualified to pass judgement. To those who wonder how such people get the job in the first place, the answer is that there is a huge demand. Wages are low. You _must_ have people on the wards. It's simply not tenable to sack half of oyur staff and have patients go unfed/unchanged. Imagine the Daily Mail headlines if you did. So you are forced to take whoever you can. Here in Oz, qualified nurses often don't want to do the menial tasks like bed-changing. Of course, throwing money at the problem could help, but where do you get it from? Reduce spending on schools or pediatric care? You don't have to go far on this board to find people who are doing all they can to mitigate the likelihood of using their savings to pay for their own aged care. Sell the house to the kids at a knockdown price then rent it back, for example. This then deprives the govt of money to spend on aged care. So quality of care goes down. I live quite close to a (residential) Aged Care facilty. Once a car pulled up and a woman asked direction to there, since her Mum was there. As I gave them, she said "They've put her in a home". I thought, no they haven't, _you_ have. You don't want to look after her, you don't want to pay to have her looked after, you do all you can not to contribute to public funds to look after her, and now you complain about the level of care she receives. And then a popular song by "The Who" kept going round my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Highbank is more of a rehabilitation center than nursing home, the majority of patients are actually younger people with Brain injuries not older people as you would find in most nursing homes. I lived backing on to the home for numerous years and it had a very good reputation, you would see the carers out and about taking patients for a walk or pushing them in a wheelchair. All staff have to have some training before commencing work there, so i dont think its a case of unqualified people doing a mundane job. Yes every carer or nurse knows you get problem patients but IMO there is no excuse for their behavior, these women choose the job / career ,they were not forced into it and if they dont like it ,move on rather than disrespecting the patients. Regardless of their punishment ,it should be ensured they never work in this industry again. Cal x Cal x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I don't agree with the "lack of training" type reasons that some people give. It's one thing to find it hard to come but it doesn't mean it's ever acceptable to go slapping a patient around and verbally abusing them. That's just abuse. I'll never understand why people like that go into care, it's not as if it's well paid. It's more likely to be some sort of power thing or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 you pay peanuts..you get monkeys....recruitment of unqualified staff especially is difficult, unfortunately, unregulated and often untrained staff are providing care for the most vulnerable in society. Till the status of 'care worker' is lifted and thus paid appropriately...situations like this will be ongoing. The occupation simply isnt recognised as a professional , significant and important one... Theres also an big element of 'task orientated work' which contributes to the dehumanising of people and the culture of a workplace and the management are much to blame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I don't agree with the "lack of training" type reasons that some people give. It's one thing to find it hard to come but it doesn't mean it's ever acceptable to go slapping a patient around and verbally abusing them. That's just abuse. I'll never understand why people like that go into care, it's not as if it's well paid. It's more likely to be some sort of power thing or something like that I did it for a few years,mainly with the aged but a few of my clients had disability's, it was one of the most satisfying and rewarding jobs ive had, it also fitted well with having a newborn at the time as i did tea time and evening shifts when hubby got home from his job. I think i attended more training courses in the couple of years i was with that company than id attended in my entire working life,lol, until i came here of course, where you go on courses to learn about courses,lol Cal x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I live quite close to a (residential) Aged Care facilty. Once a car pulled up and a woman asked direction to there, since her Mum was there. As I gave them, she said "They've put her in a home". I thought, no they haven't, _you_ have. You don't want to look after her, you don't want to pay to have her looked after, you do all you can not to contribute to public funds to look after her, and now you complain about the level of care she receives. And then a popular song by "The Who" kept going round my head. Surely we shouldn't judge people's reasons for putting their parents in a home, it isn't an easy choice to make. I know personally I couldn't care for my mother because at the moment for health reasons I can't even care for my own basic needs. To strangers and from the outside I probably look normal (well as normal as I can look :wink: ) but my hubby is the one who cares for me, without him I would be in a real mess ( yes I love you @Cerberus1 ) so no I wouldn't be able to care for her. Also think of all the members who have emigrated, do you think they are all going to give up their life in Australia and move back to the UK leaving behind children/grandchildren to care for parents so they don't end up in a home. I know one member who did this and have a lot of respect for her but I bet not many do. I know another member whose mother needed round the clock care 24/7 it's unfair to expect anyone to provide this without any respite. So maybe we should know all the facts before saying it's just because someone doesn't want to look after their parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon4017 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Surely we shouldn't judge people's reasons for putting their parents in a home, it isn't an easy choice to make. My point was that you can't relinquish responsibility to the state and then complain about the level of care that the state the state is able to provide. And the place I was talking about wasn't a nursing home requiring specialist staff for specialist residents, it's more of a residential home for those who can't manage the whole day without help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 My point was that you can't relinquish responsibility to the state and then complain about the level of care that the state the state is able to provide. And the place I was talking about wasn't a nursing home requiring specialist staff for specialist residents, it's more of a residential home for those who can't manage the whole day without help. I think you can and should actually! Nursing home care doesnt come cheap you know! You pay for a service, you expect a decent standard of care. Everyone i know has struggled with the decision to put a parent into care....modern western life means a lot of people have commitments and are not financially able to give up work and become a full time carer....carer payments are not generous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 First, I haven't read through the story nor watched the full video. Nor do I feel any need to offer an explanation for this kind of behaviour. But, some of the posts have revealed why this kind of things happens. Are these people really "Scum of the Earth"? Are they abusing people in their care for fun or gratification, or is there ill-treatment born out of simply wanting to make their lives easier. I think probably the latter. It could be that these two individuals are low-paid and low-motivated. They may view their job as a production line of beds to be made and mouths to be fed. They may have an abject lack of empathy with the people in their care. It could be that any delays in the morning routine won't be compensated by extra help. Point being, that working in this kind of care brings it's own frustrations that working in an office doesn't. If you've never worked in aged care or a dementia ward, you're really not qualified to pass judgement. To those who wonder how such people get the job in the first place, the answer is that there is a huge demand. Wages are low. You _must_ have people on the wards. It's simply not tenable to sack half of oyur staff and have patients go unfed/unchanged. Imagine the Daily Mail headlines if you did. So you are forced to take whoever you can. Here in Oz, qualified nurses often don't want to do the menial tasks like bed-changing. Of course, throwing money at the problem could help, but where do you get it from? Reduce spending on schools or pediatric care? You don't have to go far on this board to find people who are doing all they can to mitigate the likelihood of using their savings to pay for their own aged care. Sell the house to the kids at a knockdown price then rent it back, for example. This then deprives the govt of money to spend on aged care. So quality of care goes down. I live quite close to a (residential) Aged Care facilty. Once a car pulled up and a woman asked direction to there, since her Mum was there. As I gave them, she said "They've put her in a home". I thought, no they haven't, _you_ have. You don't want to look after her, you don't want to pay to have her looked after, you do all you can not to contribute to public funds to look after her, and now you complain about the level of care she receives. And then a popular song by "The Who" kept going round my head. However agree with most of your points raised apart from last paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon4017 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 >>My point was that you can't relinquish responsibility to the state and then complain about the level of care that the state the state is able to provide I think you can and should actually! Nursing home care doesnt come cheap you know! You pay for a service, you expect a decent standard of care. Too right it isn't cheap. You never know how expensive something is until it's free, which is how some people think aged care ought to be. People expect the state to provide a high level of care and yet do this on a minimal budget. They baulk at the idea that their parents assets should be used to fund their parents care. And so we end up with a parallel system of public care and private care. Private generally pays better, and so cherry picks the best staff. The public service languishes with less budget and low morale. Not that this excuses in any way the behavior referred to in the OP, but you've got to realise that you can't expect a champagne service on a beer budget. And the old line "I pay my taxes, I deserve it" just doesn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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