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They was out for a month, and if people took their rubbish to the tip, then those pictures wouldn't exist.

#Ok,a month,hardly the end of the world tho?yes stevie,there will always be areas were they cba,again,a minority tho#

I haven't excused any Tory balls-up....if you want to discuss them, start a thread and I'll tell you if I agree or not.

 

#Cba starting a thread,i'll argue here,it'll do for now#

Unlike you I don't have a party, so I can look at it from both sides, and I won't try and defend them, unless I feel that it's right.

 

Your the one trying to defend Labour after they dragged the country down in the 70's, well them and the unions.

 

Comment on the stats that the uk had its highest ever standard of living mark?

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Wonder if her arms supplying son will produce some credible tears....ohhh wait...the will is to come.

 

How dose a profession, change how you feel about your Mum?

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You are aware that she was UK pm not Ireland, yes?

 

When were you appointed spokesperson for all Irish anyway? Majority of my family are Irish and I see no such jubilation, indifference maybe but glad, no.

 

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. No need to be so facetious, you don't agree, fine, we are all affected by different things in different ways. I have family in the North of Ireland and things that happened there affected them directly - my life is different to yours. In the South we view this island as the whole of Ireland, UK doesn't, therefore we are coming from polar opposites.

 

If there was internment on the mainland, as there was in the North, when you could be dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night in front of your family and thrown in jail. No charges, no Court, no Trial. Thrown in jail and left to rot.

 

Don't even pretend to presume you know my life and I don't appreciate being belittled. I know how I feel if you don't agree, ignore the post

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There seems to be a mix of opinions of her from people i've spoke to and also just on facebook etc in general.

 

I dont have a opinion on her, i wasnt around back then. My dad hated her, he's quite mild mannered and doesnt really seem to hate many people but he really hated her!

 

I can understand peoples opinions and at the end of the day if you hated her theres no point lying but when i saw footage of her earlier she just looked like a ill old lady and she's still somebodys mum. It must be horrible knowing so many people hate your mum and are celebrating the fact that she's dead

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There seems to be a mix of opinions of her from people i've spoke to and also just on facebook etc in general.

 

I dont have a opinion on her, i wasnt around back then. My dad hated her, he's quite mild mannered and doesnt really seem to hate many people but he really hated her!

 

I can understand peoples opinions and at the end of the day if you hated her theres no point lying but when i saw footage of her earlier she just looked like a ill old lady and she's still somebodys mum. It must be horrible knowing so many people hate your mum and are celebrating the fact that she's dead

you really do have a big heart gal.

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The miners did not need to strike and many did not want to hence Scargill's refusal to hold a ballot.

 

That isn't why Scargill refused to hold a ballot, which he would have won easily. He didn't do it because he refused to accept laws he saw as an imposition

 

I think he was both wrong and foolish - but lack of support wasn't the reason for not having a ballot.

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I think it's quite sick how horrible people are being....maybe I wasn't around when she was in power but I wouldn't wish anyone dead, especially an elderly lady. Still she lived until a good age.

 

Lady??

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I thought thay there might be the odd comment, there usually is, but some of them are way over the top and whatever people thought about her, she left the country in a far better condition than when she took over

 

If Cameron loses the next election, will people wait 40-odd years to celebrate his death or will they celebrate when he leaves office?

 

 

For people to come out and say they have been waiting nearly 25 years for her to die since she left office and to 'celebrate' is sick and I'll bet some of the people saying these things weren't even born when she was in office.

Come off it Stevie, don't play the innocent. You know she was the most divisive PM this country has possibly had and there are a large number of people who wished her a lot of ill.

 

I'm with pablo on this tbh, although I wouldn't say I hated her:

 

As regards some of the comments made on this thread,i cant blame anyone for hating her,i hated her,i just dont choose to celebrate anybodies death,thats all,she has family,kids,grandkids etc?

So her family will be going through a miserable time at the mo,her family done me no harm so i cant celebrate her death because by the same token im celebrating her families misery,but i "did" hate her,im no hypocrite,so i wont lie,but personally i feel nothing,neither sadness or joy.

 

 

I'm not celebrating either, but neither am I mourning. She was pretty ruthless and didn't shed much of a tear over some of the collateral damage of her policies, be they Argentinian conscripts on a boat or mining communities around the country

 

As per previous, I think what she did in terms of structural change to the economy - privatisation of moribund nationalised industries, breaking the excessive power of the unions, making it OK to be enterprising and to succeed - were necessary and very good. I just don't think some of it had to be achieved in such a damaging and divisive way

 

The defining conflict (I use the word deliberately, because creating conflict in order to drive change was her style in everything) was the miners strike. That was what finally broke the unions, am I sorry that happened? No. Neither do I live in a fantasy land where there would still be 200 pits operating employing a million miners. But once the strike was won, there was no need to stamp on those communities so hard and to close all the pits so quickly - the majority of those closed were operating profitably when they were shut, it was done for political reasons, and underlined/reinforced by the electricity privatisation shortly afterwards which incentivised the closing of coal fired power stations and the building of new gas ones. That was done for political reasons as well, to remove the market for coal and justify shutting more mines. Under a less brutal leadership I would have expected a much slower decline of the industry over maybe 20 years, rather than the mass closures over 10. That speed mattered - there was no way other employment could be generated quickly enough to take up the slack and most of those areas and communities were devastated and have never recovered, and still nearly 30 years later have shocking levels of unemployment & poverty and all the other things - disease, low life expectancy, drugs, crime - that you would expect. 5 years ago I led a project to redevelop a mine site and open a new factory on it near Worksop, even though I grew up on the fringes of the coal mining areas and with some people who worked in it, I was still shocked and saddened by the levels of desperation that were obvious

 

I can't forgive that kicking of the coal industry, because it was just vindictive IMO and as newjez has said, other leaders modernised their countries without behaving like that. So I won't be shedding any tears, but neither will I be dancing in the streets

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That may be the case NSP, but she left office nearly 25 years ago...are people still 'suffering' from her policies...I doubt it.

There may be the odd miner who decided not to look for another job that lives in hope of the local pit re-opening.

 

I also think Brown did a hell if a lot of damage to this country, I'll discuss his policies now!

When he dies I won't be posting on websites I'm glad he's dead...I suppose it's just the nature of people these days.

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Top drawer post NSP,the bit at the end,"these communities have never recovered"?they haven't,and we've been paying for them for 30+yrs,take away hope,wages,a job,and then comes apathy,it might be morally/stiff upper lip against the grain to admit it,but if you had no chance of a job its all a depressing downward spiral

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That may be the case NSP, but she left office nearly 25 years ago...are people still 'suffering' from her policies...I doubt it.

There may be the odd miner who decided not to look for another job that lives in hope of the local pit re-opening.

I think they are still suffering from her policies....those communities were destroyed. The closures were so rapid that unemployment in some areas (eg South Yorks coalfield around Barnsley) shot up to 50%...when the rest of the country was going through a relative boom. Once long term unemployment across a whole community has set in, it's incredibly difficult to shift it. It's pretty much leave town and escape, or rot in place, these areas got in a vicious cycle of no money coming in, other businesses closing down, meaning less money coming in. It's not about people waiting for the local pit to re-open - it's about not having any work to do at all, no one's under any illusions about mines re-opening. Just think if they'd closed at a more natural rate a lot of that could have been avoided

 

I also think Brown did a hell if a lot of damage to this country, I'll discuss his policies now!

The difference is, he didn't deliberately do it to certain sections of the community to put the boot in. She did, and that's part of why in the communities affected she is widely hated

 

When he dies I won't be posting on websites I'm glad he's dead...I suppose it's just the nature of people these days.

No. It's the nature of Thatcher that creates it. Surely you get that? I mean, I understand you thought she was good, but it's not news to you that tons of people hated her, surely? As I said, the most divisive PM of recent times. Ratehr ironic, given the "Where there is discord, may we bring harmony" words quoted in 1979

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She was only a politician and what she did was invoke the trickle down effect along with her friend Regan. Problem is she forgot about human nature that people with money do not like it to trickle anywhere and look for ways to stop it all the time.

 

Actually if you look at it positively she formed UK to be a very good place to live again for a lot of people, unfortunately they were mainly in the south of the country and it remains that way.. However if you look back in history this has always been the same. She did close things and all that stuff but you know manufacturers were already looking for cheaper places to build things, Taiwan, Korea, Japan were building ships cheaper than the UK could. So you could say she just hastened what would have happened sooner. I personally do not agree with a lot of what she did but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I doubt whether a lot of people would have the standard of living they have to day if she had not done what she did. Strong leaders are never liked by anyone, look at our Julia, people do not like her because she will not be swayed by public opinion and Thatcher was like that now.

 

The welfare years an migration have now made life more difficult for many many people and of course they are in the north of England. So now again UK needs a strong hard leader again but I believe these are no more, they look at the polls go on twitter, facebook and other places and thing "oh that is not popular, must pull my head in and change it" therefore just delaying the problem to get worse and worse.

 

So if you are having holidays on the continent, have a nice home, an investment property, nice car, in a way you have to thank Thatcher for that.

 

Let her rest in peace she worked longer hours than most of us will or have ever worked for the country not for herself.

 

I am a common sense lefty

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RIP to one of the greatest leaders the UK has ever had.

 

People need to remember the mess the UK was in prior to 1979.

 

Yes, the miners hated her. As a miner, I should, but what she did with mining was correct. The country was spending a lot of money propping up an industry that was the least efficient in the world - due to unions opposing mechanization and modernization of the mines. People say she destroyed the mines. She didn't, the unions did that. The fact is that these were pretty much all very expensive mines to run that were being propt up by tax payer money, which could have (might have) survived longer had the fully modernized. But modern mining techniques do not require lots of employment - I have worked at big underground mines where the number of staff underground is never more than 40. But, the unions wouldn't accept that.

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Was going to reply NSP, but Petals has summed it up perfectly, and saved me 15 minutes of typing on my iPad. Thanks.

 

As for deliberately setting out to destroy certain sectors, I think she made the tough decisions for the country, as unpopular as they may have been, the UK on the whole is a much better place to live because of those decisions.

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RIP to one of the greatest leaders the UK has ever had.

 

People need to remember the mess the UK was in prior to 1979.

 

Yes, the miners hated her. As a miner, I should, but what she did with mining was correct. The country was spending a lot of money propping up an industry that was the least efficient in the world - due to unions opposing mechanization and modernization of the mines. People say she destroyed the mines. She didn't, the unions did that. The fact is that these were pretty much all very expensive mines to run that were being propt up by tax payer money, which could have (might have) survived longer had the fully modernized. But modern mining techniques do not require lots of employment - I have worked at big underground mines where the number of staff underground is never more than 40. But, the unions wouldn't accept that.

Fair play..your opinions...mine were that she ruined the country and devastated whole communities, left mining communities as ghost towns.

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Thought I'd share this piece of writing ... and now I'm off to work to keep my head down!!

Credit to Steve Chiverton for this piece of writing:

[sic]Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

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Keating and Hawke brought about the same changes in Australia without any of the bitterness and divisiveness that woman caused.

 

That is exactly what I was going to say. Changes had to be made but leadership is about bringing people with you - Thatcher utterly failed in that. I'm too young to really remember her (but I am a keen student of economic history) but I remember my dad being out of work and doing a year's study (unpaid) to go back to his old workplace to be made redundant again. Luckily due to those unions that so many on here seem to detest he kept his job. I remember going back to S Wales for a big family do (would probably have been 1985/6 - after the miner's strike had finished) and the atmosphere was toxic, communities really were destroyed. We had the North Sea Oil boom and yet instead of improving the UK's infrastructure she wasted the money on unemployment benefits and subsidising cheap privatisation. I left primary school in 1989 and we were still taught in temporary classrooms put up in 1945, they weren't replaced until 1998. She also oversaw a huge depression in wages and explosion of private debt - the effects of which are what is blighting most of the developed world - esp. the UK - today.

 

Hawke and Keating did it the right way and set Australia on a course to greater openess and prosperity but without dividing the nation and talk of "the enemy within". That she did this shows weak leadership.

 

She also came to embody the growing celebration of greed and selfishness that has scarred the UK for too long now.

 

I don't celebrate her death, I don't really feel anything about it to be honest. But I'd be hypocritical if I said in death different to what I said in life (other than I feel sorry for her loss for her family and friends) and I think if I see too much coverage I'll get sick of the eulogising of her.

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Hold your head up high,

 

Thought I'd share this piece of writing ... and now I'm off to work to keep my head down!!

 

Credit to Steve Chiverton for this piece of writing:

[sic]Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

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Thought I'd share this piece of writing ... and now I'm off to work to keep my head down!!

Credit to Steve Chiverton for this piece of writing:

[sic]Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

 

What a load of rhubarb rhetoric!:laugh:"what it meant to be BRITISH"?!

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Thought I'd share this piece of writing ... and now I'm off to work to keep my head down!!

Credit to Steve Chiverton for this piece of writing:

[sic]Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

What a load of bollecks...

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