robthomas821 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 But what if it doesn't work? then what I waste a long time and am still stuck in this place I cant stand. I just want to start living my life again instead of watching the time pass by in a place where I am not happy. Surely you must understand how I feel? What is wrong with wanting to get a visa? I'm legally not doing anything wrong as I am searching all the possible legal avenues of doing so, ie. getting a skill and sponsorship. Its sad more than anything that I just cant live the life I want. If it doesn't work then it doesn't work. Toughen up, life is like that. You cannot expect to be given everything for little or no effort. You may be looking at a legal option, but the case is that you have repeatedly started threads with multiple different occupations, just to try to get a visa. The occupation choices are no where near similar either. You are just trying to get to Aus without putting the hard work and effort into doing it. The morality of the point comes into question of course. You are willing to do any course that gets you a visa and sponsorship. But what about if you get that, get your PR and then tell the employer who invested money, time and effort and trust into you, you then turn around and tell then I got what I want, thanks, see ya later. Do you think that is the way to go? You are too young and immature to be thinking about a decision like this. Best get a legitimate trade, one that you love and can see yourself doing and then look at Aus later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthomas821 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 You did get in on a relationship visa in the end though so am not really sure where the moral of the story is here? The moral of the story is that the partner visa wasn't the be all and end all of my life together with my partner. If it had all gone wrong and we didn't get the visa, we would have moved to the UK (yes, she was happy to do this and we discussed in great depth). We did not let the visa DEFINE our lives, just a part that we had to go through. You have been given good advice on here, I suggest you follow it and start growing up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest68570 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 If it doesn't work then it doesn't work. Toughen up, life is like that. You cannot expect to be given everything for little or no effort. You may be looking at a legal option, but the case is that you have repeatedly started threads with multiple different occupations, just to try to get a visa. The occupation choices are no where near similar either. You are just trying to get to Aus without putting the hard work and effort into doing it. The morality of the point comes into question of course. You are willing to do any course that gets you a visa and sponsorship. But what about if you get that, get your PR and then tell the employer who invested money, time and effort and trust into you, you then turn around and tell then I got what I want, thanks, see ya later. Do you think that is the way to go? You are too young and immature to be thinking about a decision like this. Best get a legitimate trade, one that you love and can see yourself doing and then look at Aus later. well I didn't think about it like that. But then all the jobs I suggested are things I have in interest in and I could possibly peruse so wheres the harm? I don't think you quite get the gist, I was born in England but have never felt I truly belonged there I had always fantasied about Australia and after going finally realized that was where I belonged. Having a sense of belonging and home is something I really want and in England I don't belong. Identity, home who you feel you are are the basis of our lives and me carrying on with this life I was born into, really isn't that. There are other issues as well as not being in Australia. But being there helps me to start again, avoid them and move on and that is what I need. I need to remove myself from the thing that makes me unhappy. This makes sense?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest68570 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The moral of the story is that the partner visa wasn't the be all and end all of my life together with my partner. If it had all gone wrong and we didn't get the visa, we would have moved to the UK (yes, she was happy to do this and we discussed in great depth). We did not let the visa DEFINE our lives, just a part that we had to go through. You have been given good advice on here, I suggest you follow it and start growing up well why didn't you just do that then. You seem to think its good enough for me, so why is it not good enough for you? I'm sorry but how can the environment you live in not define your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PontePom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 you only had a holiday in oz which s nothing lie living and working there I have to totally agree with you that a holiday is never enough to know about Aus fully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest68570 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I have to totally agree with you that a holiday is never enough to know about Aus fully I worked there for a bit. I know its not perfect but where is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I have come across many folk over time looking to scam ways to stay in another country besides their own. Not just but including Australia as well as UK and France,Germany and USA. The old one of course was to get married. That was quite a con at one time. So doing courses purely to satisfy immigration rules is a well worn path in attempt to gain entry. We should remember perhaps that already folk come to Australia due to their qualifacation and don't work/cannot find work in the area. Quite a few of the taxi drivers I speak to from the Sub Continent in particular,have degrees some rather outstanding if to be believed but couldn't get work in their field. Sometimes folk who are desperate to be in a country due to a feeling of attachment to the place can at some stage contribute as much or more than folk purely selected on sometimes over subscribed skills...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest68570 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Thats so true. If I was let in I would do nothing but work all the time. I certainly wouldn't budge of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milliem Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Thats so true. If I was let in I would do nothing but work all the time. I certainly wouldn't budge of the system. Did you not mean it then when you said you planned to do enough to 'get by'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest68570 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Did you not mean it then when you said you planned to do enough to 'get by'? yes enough to pay the bills and pay my way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickled Pink Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Why are you on this forum Jack? Why??? Nothing we say makes the slightest bit of difference to you, so why do you keep coming back? And what do you hope to gain/find out? No one here is going to employ you, train you or marry you....no one here has any sway with DIAC, and all the suggestions have been given.... so what is it you seek here? Or are you trolling.... Hmmmm Speak to a migration agent, that is the ONLY option you haven't tried, and who CAN give you definitive answers that you seek. (Although I suspect you will not be happy with what they tell you either). If, as you have stated on one thread or another, you are in the position to save 8 grand in a year, then a few hundred for a consultation from a registered migration agent will be small change to you... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthomas821 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 well why didn't you just do that then. You seem to think its good enough for me, so why is it not good enough for you? I'm sorry but how can the environment you live in not define your life? Again missing the point. But that seems par for the course. I am done with trying to advise you of the BEST course of action for your circumstances. You cannot just go and marry someone to get your visa, sorry, that is illegal. I would imagine someone of your calibre would just up and leave once the visa was finalised. You cannot take the good advice people on here are giving you, then so be it. You will only end up $$$'s in debt and no sign of your "dream". Good luck with whatever you decide to do, but you are starting to antagonise people on here who do it the right way, and I am afraid you won't get much more help from anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthomas821 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 There are other issues as well as not being in Australia. But being there helps me to start again, avoid them and move on and that is what I need. It is comments like this that also start to raise questions about your suitability for a visa into Australia, or many other countries for that matter. Like, what is it you are trying to avoid? If you have issues, face them first before even considering applying for a visa. You will not be able to "start again", you will have them hanging over you for the rest of your life. Grow up, man up, HTFU and start making some sensible decisions. I would imagine it is unlikely we will see you here in Aus anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebloggs Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think this forum would be boring with out the likes of Jack, his threads are amazingly imaginative if not laughable. I for one certainly enjoy reading the responses, it's like something out of a Monty Python sketch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Got them at home so i'll send them to you later but off the top of my head google search "evs". I'll find the other one for you later. Basically you just sign up to the websites and search projects and they'l also send you new ones. Then once you find one you contact the organisation and also something called the "sending organisation". Ive only spoke to the scottish version but its for the whole of uk/europe so there should be a office near you. Basically the projects are al different and last anything from a few weeks to a whole year. I was told that when you apply all your costs are covered - flights, living costs etc. I wish i'd known about it a long time ago. It's maybe something to think about, might make you realise how lucky you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think this forum would be boring with out the likes of Jack, his threads are amazingly imaginative if not laughable. I for one certainly enjoy reading the responses, it's like something out of a Monty Python sketch. Have to agree but its also a complete waste of time, yet we still all reply. Me included! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaclec Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just find yourself a fat ugly desperate oz woman and get married. Its your only chance or go do something useful for 10 yrs and come back. End of! Simples!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest littlesarah Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Jack: are you stubborn, stupid or a wind-up merchant? I just can't figure it out, surely no one can be the combination of the first two that you appear to be?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I came to oz in 1999. Spent a year, met my (English) husband and had to leave. We longed to move to oz. We didn't have any skills, and couldn't afford to train. I eventually did train but it turned out that my job was so specialised that even though I had companies pretty much scrambling over each other to sponsor me they couldn't as it wasn't on any lists. So we decided once we had some money saved up to do exactly what you are thinking of. All of the cookery courses I applied for were already full. I ended up getting on a horticulture course. I like gardening, science etc, and it would only be for two years. We were lucky in that they didn't want to see proof of funds which they do now, and they didn't want us to explain why we wouldn't want to stay for good and were just planning a temp visit (which they do now). You would need far more money than you are thinking. Part of the visa restrictions are that you can only work 20 hours a week. Some people on my course couldn't find any type of work. Even my hubbie struggled to find part time work. Everyone wanted full time. Finding a job in my field was near impossible. Back onto the people not wanting part time staff again. And remembering that until you finish your course you are untrained. Then just as my course finished the rules changed. The only option left for us was a regional sponsored migration visa. My employer agreed to sponsor me (because I am amazing) and it has been Hell. TWO YEARS after them agreeing to sponsor me we still don't have a visa! Living in Australia really isn't like coming on a working holiday visa. I HATED the studying, working, getting paid **** money etc. When I do finally get my visa I am tied to my employer and regional Australia for the next two years. If I had my time again I would have trained in the uk to be a nurse or a midwife. Then I would have moved over when I could have picked anywhere in oz and got decent wages. Re-think. You would be eaten alive in a work place our here and I can already tell nobody would put up with you long enough, and want to put the HUGE amount of effort in to sponsor you. That is even if the rules had not changed again in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebloggs Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) I think the OP missed his best chance of making it in Australia when he was on the WHV, although unskilled if he could have got a listed job that an employer was willing to sponsor he would be here today. His best bet now is have a 5 year plan, train in something useful for a couple of years and gain 3 years solid experience. 2017 and Robert is his fathers brother. Really even for a load of qualified and experienced people Australia is out of their grasp, plenty of posters often just give up after years of doors slammed and goal posts moving. It's a fact not everyone who wants to move to Australia can. There is no planned short cuts, those who are very lucky get the blue moon chance and take it. Best to have a long term plan and hope for a lucky break along the way. Edited October 18, 2012 by Joebloggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest51810 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Guys i just want to say that even though all your help is obviously going in one of jacks ear and through the other, it's actually helped me a lot. I just need to decide what my 5year plan is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickachu Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Solid advice joebloggs! Things in life don't come easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritChickx Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Guys i just want to say that even though all your help is obviously going in one of jacks ear and through the other, it's actually helped me a lot. I just need to decide what my 5year plan is! Nursing? I screwed my chances up, so don't let the same happen to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest68570 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Got them at home so i'll send them to you later but off the top of my head google search "evs". I'll find the other one for you later. Basically you just sign up to the websites and search projects and they'l also send you new ones. Then once you find one you contact the organisation and also something called the "sending organisation". Ive only spoke to the scottish version but its for the whole of uk/europe so there should be a office near you. Basically the projects are al different and last anything from a few weeks to a whole year. I was told that when you apply all your costs are covered - flights, living costs etc. I wish i'd known about it a long time ago. It's maybe something to think about, might make you realise how lucky you are Thank you Stacey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest68570 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I came to oz in 1999. Spent a year, met my (English) husband and had to leave. We longed to move to oz. We didn't have any skills, and couldn't afford to train. I eventually did train but it turned out that my job was so specialised that even though I had companies pretty much scrambling over each other to sponsor me they couldn't as it wasn't on any lists. So we decided once we had some money saved up to do exactly what you are thinking of. All of the cookery courses I applied for were already full. I ended up getting on a horticulture course. I like gardening, science etc, and it would only be for two years. We were lucky in that they didn't want to see proof of funds which they do now, and they didn't want us to explain why we wouldn't want to stay for good and were just planning a temp visit (which they do now). You would need far more money than you are thinking. Part of the visa restrictions are that you can only work 20 hours a week. Some people on my course couldn't find any type of work. Even my hubbie struggled to find part time work. Everyone wanted full time. Finding a job in my field was near impossible. Back onto the people not wanting part time staff again. And remembering that until you finish your course you are untrained. Then just as my course finished the rules changed. The only option left for us was a regional sponsored migration visa. My employer agreed to sponsor me (because I am amazing) and it has been Hell. TWO YEARS after them agreeing to sponsor me we still don't have a visa! Living in Australia really isn't like coming on a working holiday visa. I HATED the studying, working, getting paid **** money etc. When I do finally get my visa I am tied to my employer and regional Australia for the next two years. If I had my time again I would have trained in the uk to be a nurse or a midwife. Then I would have moved over when I could have picked anywhere in oz and got decent wages. Re-think. You would be eaten alive in a work place our here and I can already tell nobody would put up with you long enough, and want to put the HUGE amount of effort in to sponsor you. That is even if the rules had not changed again in two years. How come you still don't have a visa? if you got sponsored? Where are you now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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