The truth on Perth?!

[Marisawright]

1 hour ago, Paul1Perth said:

I was meaning normal people as in mortgage to pay, work to go to, limited time off, saving up for a holiday. 

......We can (or could) pop to Bali or Singapore 

But that's my point.    Some people like to save up all year for one big holiday overseas.   If you're in Perth that's a good idea, because everywhere is a 3, 4 or 5 hour flight away - plus you're probably going overseas, so you've got to get to the airport much earlier, more security etc.   So obviously, you want to go for one long stay.   Whereas if you can hop on a plane and be somewhere in a couple of hours, you can easily have a few breaks over the year instead of having to save it all  up for one big splurge.   

[ali]

13 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

But that's my point.    Some people like to save up all year for one big holiday overseas.   If you're in Perth that's a good idea, because everywhere is a 3, 4 or 5 hour flight away - plus you're probably going overseas, so you've got to get to the airport much earlier, more security etc.   So obviously, you want to go for one long stay.   Whereas if you can hop on a plane and be somewhere in a couple of hours, you can easily have a few breaks over the year instead of having to save it all  up for one big splurge.   

Some of us don't mind the plane journey to go over East for a long weekend in addition to enjoying other holidays

[MARYROSE02]

2 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

I didn't mean to be rude Marissa and I know some people love Melbourne, that's fair enough, as you say it wouldn't do for us to be all the same.

I was meaning normal people as in mortgage to pay, work to go to, limited time off, saving up for a holiday. 

You made it sound as if your average Sydney or Melbourne dweller would be popping off to the Whitsundays for a weekend. 

As you say, it's a days drive to Queensland, great if you've got friends there, most haven't.

We can (or could) pop to Bali or Singapore when you put it like that or, days drive South heaps of places. More than a days drive North Coral Bay, Broome. Not much different really.

I noticed some of the OZ SPURS guys in Perth were talking about a new or different pub maybe up yr way.  What was the name? Iluka? One where they can watch Spurs on the big screen.

When I was there they went to an Irish pub in Subuiaco. That had changed its name I think.  It was Rosie O'Gradys.  I get confused because I went to another Irish pub in Northbridge. 

I like both Subuiaco and Northbridge,  both reminding me in part of Surry Hills, though I became enamoured with South Perth.

The only problem  with watching the EPL in Perth was that most pubs seem to close at midnight though I was happy enough to go to the casino as that's 24x7.

Are you a McGowan fan? To be honest if I lived in Perth I would be too. When I was in Surfers I bought into the QLD siege mentality, ie keep the Walking Dead from NSW and Victoria out of "my" state.

Of course, McGowan has family in NSW.  I wonder if he would let them in to WA if there was a family emergency?

[Paul1Perth]

14 hours ago, Marisawright said:

But that's my point.    Some people like to save up all year for one big holiday overseas.   If you're in Perth that's a good idea, because everywhere is a 3, 4 or 5 hour flight away - plus you're probably going overseas, so you've got to get to the airport much earlier, more security etc.   So obviously, you want to go for one long stay.   Whereas if you can hop on a plane and be somewhere in a couple of hours, you can easily have a few breaks over the year instead of having to save it all  up for one big splurge.   

We have a few breaks over the year. Rottnest a few times and go down South a few times, mostly for adventure races, running, biking, ski paddling. Good thing about that we can take the toys with us.

[Blue Flu]

12 hours ago, MARYROSE02 said:

I noticed some of the OZ SPURS guys in Perth were talking about a new or different pub maybe up yr way.  What was the name? Iluka? One where they can watch Spurs on the big screen.

When I was there they went to an Irish pub in Subuiaco. That had changed its name I think.  It was Rosie O'Gradys.  I get confused because I went to another Irish pub in Northbridge. 

I like both Subuiaco and Northbridge,  both reminding me in part of Surry Hills, though I became enamoured with South Perth.

The only problem  with watching the EPL in Perth was that most pubs seem to close at midnight though I was happy enough to go to the casino as that's 24x7.

Are you a McGowan fan? To be honest if I lived in Perth I would be too. When I was in Surfers I bought into the QLD siege mentality, ie keep the Walking Dead from NSW and Victoria out of "my" state.

Of course, McGowan has family in NSW.  I wonder if he would let them in to WA if there was a family emergency?

You probably mean Rosie O'Gradys in North Bridge. I believe now closed. There was another in Fremantle. Subiaco Hotel good for cheap beer. But North Bridge in the news again for violence. An English soccer player on life support after being assaulted without reason on the street. His parents desperately trying to get on a flight out to Perth. Lots of comments on line with regards to the feeling of unsafety in North Bridge. No supporter of McGowan here or ALP. Hospital crisis. Drug issues. And so on. When the borders are finally open we shall see . 

[Paul1Perth]

12 hours ago, MARYROSE02 said:

I noticed some of the OZ SPURS guys in Perth were talking about a new or different pub maybe up yr way.  What was the name? Iluka? One where they can watch Spurs on the big screen.

When I was there they went to an Irish pub in Subuiaco. That had changed its name I think.  It was Rosie O'Gradys.  I get confused because I went to another Irish pub in Northbridge. 

I like both Subuiaco and Northbridge,  both reminding me in part of Surry Hills, though I became enamoured with South Perth.

The only problem  with watching the EPL in Perth was that most pubs seem to close at midnight though I was happy enough to go to the casino as that's 24x7.

Are you a McGowan fan? To be honest if I lived in Perth I would be too. When I was in Surfers I bought into the QLD siege mentality, ie keep the Walking Dead from NSW and Victoria out of "my" state.

Of course, McGowan has family in NSW.  I wonder if he would let them in to WA if there was a family emergency?

Yep, there is a new pub in Iluka. We've been a few times, have friends who've moved into the new apartments next door to the pub. They moved from a huge house in The Vines to a 3 bed apartment. The kids have left home, we went to their 60th last year so they thought time to downsize.

We met them and another couple in the pub a few weeks ago. I noticed they had a big screen with the soccer roundup on, we were chatting though so weren't really watching it. Nice pub, good food, massive selection of beers, London Pride on tap, that's a first. Most have Guiness and Kilkenny but not seen London Pride before.

There apartment is on the top floor, 3rd, not a massive high rise, thankfully and the views are fantastic. Over the dunes 180 degree sea views looking over Burns Beach. Glorious sunsets and they're on the right side of the building to be protected from the wind. They bought it off the plan, best apartment in the block I reckon.

They are loving it at the moment but it'll be tough coming from a big house with garden, pool, sheds, garage.

[Marisawright]

 

14 hours ago, ali said:

Some of us don't mind the plane journey to go over East for a long weekend in addition to enjoying other holidays

Of course you do.  But the fact remains that the air fare is at least twice the price, plus the longer travel time means you almost need an extra day.  So you're able to do it less often within your budget and it's a bigger decision. 

An example - when I was in Sydney, I would sometimes travel to Brisbane or Melbourne to see a performance by a visiting overseas ballet company. Book a bargain flight early Saturday morning, hand luggage only, in town by lunchtime, time for sightseeing, see the show, one night in a hotel, spend the day sightseeing then get a late flight and still be home in time to get a good night's sleep for work the next day.  

I doubt you'd do that from Perth, because the longer flights would eat into your holiday time too much. You'd start thinking about going a day early or coming back a day later, then you'll need another hotel night - all getting too expensive so you decide you can't justify the cost.  

And please note, if you read my original post, that I am not saying Perth is isolated. I am saying I understand why people who are used to quick, cheap access to a very wide variety of destinations are likely to feel isolated in Perth because of the higher cost and longer travel times.   People who travel less frequently won't care.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Marisawright

[Paul1Perth]

2 minutes ago, Blue Flu said:

You probably mean Rosie O'Gradys in North Bridge. I believe now closed. There was another in Fremantle. Subiaco Hotel good for cheap beer. But North Bridge in the news again for violence. An English soccer player on life support after being assaulted without reason on the street. His parents desperately trying to get on a flight out to Perth. Lots of comments on line with regards to the feeling of unsafety in North Bridge. No supporter of McGowan here or ALP. Hospital crisis. Drug issues. And so on. When the borders are finally open we shall see . 

Don't know whether it's drug issues, it's a 15 year old who they've got in custody and another story of a lady in her 20's beaten up by a gang of teenage girls, some as young as 11.

Obviously can't release names but usual suspects I reckon. I think the soccer player was near the station on his way home. Round the station and "the cultural centre", on the way to Northbridge always dodgy.

I went to Badlands bar on Friday a couple of weeks ago, went through the main station at about 5:30. An Indigenous lady was calling the Indian guard a white C****, the railway police went over to her to look at her ticket, she throws the ticket at them gives them a mouhful and storms off. Obviously not worth doind any more about it. I was smiling at the railway cop and said he had a tough job. Said wait till later when the real problems start, it's only early yet. He also said he didn't know what's happening but the last 4 or 5 weeks things have seemed to get worse. He thought might be the amount of homeless and just trouble makers. Reckons it's been worse since they moved the illegal camp they had in Freo.

It's a City with City problems. 

[Paul1Perth]

13 hours ago, MARYROSE02 said:

I noticed some of the OZ SPURS guys in Perth were talking about a new or different pub maybe up yr way.  What was the name? Iluka? One where they can watch Spurs on the big screen.

When I was there they went to an Irish pub in Subuiaco. That had changed its name I think.  It was Rosie O'Gradys.  I get confused because I went to another Irish pub in Northbridge. 

I like both Subuiaco and Northbridge,  both reminding me in part of Surry Hills, though I became enamoured with South Perth.

The only problem  with watching the EPL in Perth was that most pubs seem to close at midnight though I was happy enough to go to the casino as that's 24x7.

Are you a McGowan fan? To be honest if I lived in Perth I would be too. When I was in Surfers I bought into the QLD siege mentality, ie keep the Walking Dead from NSW and Victoria out of "my" state.

Of course, McGowan has family in NSW.  I wonder if he would let them in to WA if there was a family emergency?

Forgot to say I am a McGowan fan. Think he's done a fine job but they need to sort out the staff shortages in the hospitals quickly.

When the borders are open they'll be recruiting like mad.

[calNgary]

3 hours ago, Blue Flu said:

You probably mean Rosie O'Gradys in North Bridge. I believe now closed. There was another in Fremantle. Subiaco Hotel good for cheap beer. But North Bridge in the news again for violence. An English soccer player on life support after being assaulted without reason on the street. His parents desperately trying to get on a flight out to Perth. Lots of comments on line with regards to the feeling of unsafety in North Bridge. No supporter of McGowan here or ALP. Hospital crisis. Drug issues. And so on. When the borders are finally open we shall see . 

It cant be that bad if it made the news, many assaults, car jackings and criminal offences in the North of the UK where my family live dont even make news anymore because it happens wayyyyy to much. It very rare to see someone charged with drug use as its an every day occurrence. Same with burglary's, apparently you just don't report them anymore as police are too busy dealing with bigger stuff. Sad really.

 Cal x

[Blue Flu]

3 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Don't know whether it's drug issues, it's a 15 year old who they've got in custody and another story of a lady in her 20's beaten up by a gang of teenage girls, some as young as 11.

Obviously can't release names but usual suspects I reckon. I think the soccer player was near the station on his way home. Round the station and "the cultural centre", on the way to Northbridge always dodgy.

I went to Badlands bar on Friday a couple of weeks ago, went through the main station at about 5:30. An Indigenous lady was calling the Indian guard a white C****, the railway police went over to her to look at her ticket, she throws the ticket at them gives them a mouhful and storms off. Obviously not worth doind any more about it. I was smiling at the railway cop and said he had a tough job. Said wait till later when the real problems start, it's only early yet. He also said he didn't know what's happening but the last 4 or 5 weeks things have seemed to get worse. He thought might be the amount of homeless and just trouble makers. Reckons it's been worse since they moved the illegal camp they had in Freo.

It's a City with City problems. 

I've no idea obviously if a drug issue. Just as likely to be something else. But the fact remains Perth has serious drug issues. Perth has violence issues late at night. Nothing new there. Few out and about, hence an easy target if cross paths with the wrong person/people. Yes the soccer player looks to have been in the station, only two minutes prior, speaking with a mate over the phone. He was hit from behind, for no apparent reason. Sadly not as rare as some would prefer to believe. 

There is an underbelly to Perth, besides the anti social behavior which is substantial , one around drug issues that are very prevalent if not always overt. It is not being tackled. 

But with regards to train social issues, I used to catch the last train to the city after work for a few years ending in 2009, I think it was. I witnessed countless issues of or more potential violence during that time. Sitting there minding your own business was no guarantee of not being targeted. I found it worse than London, due to lack of people around and the train stations being void of people and surrounds late at night. What you witnessed pretty normal really.

[Blue Flu]

25 minutes ago, calNgary said:

It cant be that bad if it made the news, many assaults, car jackings and criminal offences in the North of the UK where my family live dont even make news anymore because it happens wayyyyy to much. It very rare to see someone charged with drug use as its an every day occurrence. Same with burglary's, apparently you just don't report them anymore as police are too busy dealing with bigger stuff. Sad really.

 Cal x

Many assaults and criminal offences here in Perth don't make the news either. Obviously the powers that be, don't want the city viewed as a place of crime. My Scottish flat mate  had her flat mate visit from Paisley. First night mind you, walking back to High gate, where then lived, they were accosted by a well dressed man who said a couple of words then punched her out by a blow to the head where she hit the pavement. They never caught the attacker. No motive ever found, nor was it in the paper or media. (it was 1999) Following year A Hungarian fellow not long in the country, whom I knew, was stabbed to death in the hostel he was staying, by a person suffering a psychotic episode.  My near neighbour , has an friend in his eighties, who I met just the other day. He was savagely beaten in Mandurah recently and lucky to be alive. (that was reported) Lots of stuff going on around the inner city. Some anti social. Some drug related. Being close to the highest consumption in meth in the world, along with Adelaide and Darwin , a city's like Seattle , will in my view see crime escalate. It's already way, way out of control, and will not be reined in by those in a position to bring about change to rectify. A couple of years the Pizzeria at the top of my street was held up by a knife threatening young female , high I believe on drugs. House near me had front door kicked down on three occasions, but no evictions materialized. Another house in my street imploded after what I suspect meth cooking went wrong. (that was back in 01) For all intents and purposes a good area. First glance nothing untoward would be noticed. Walk around a bit with eyes wide open and the cracks under the surface of respectability begin to show.  

[MacGyver]

30 minutes ago, Blue Flu said:

Many assaults and criminal offences here in Perth don't make the news either. Obviously the powers that be, don't want the city viewed as a place of crime. My Scottish flat mate  had her flat mate visit from Paisley. First night mind you, walking back to High gate, where then lived, they were accosted by a well dressed man who said a couple of words then punched her out by a blow to the head where she hit the pavement. They never caught the attacker. No motive ever found, nor was it in the paper or media. (it was 1999) Following year A Hungarian fellow not long in the country, whom I knew, was stabbed to death in the hostel he was staying, by a person suffering a psychotic episode.  My near neighbour , has an friend in his eighties, who I met just the other day. He was savagely beaten in Mandurah recently and lucky to be alive. (that was reported) Lots of stuff going on around the inner city. Some anti social. Some drug related. Being close to the highest consumption in meth in the world, along with Adelaide and Darwin , a city's like Seattle , will in my view see crime escalate. It's already way, way out of control, and will not be reined in by those in a position to bring about change to rectify. A couple of years the Pizzeria at the top of my street was held up by a knife threatening young female , high I believe on drugs. House near me had front door kicked down on three occasions, but no evictions materialized. Another house in my street imploded after what I suspect meth cooking went wrong. (that was back in 01) For all intents and purposes a good area. First glance nothing untoward would be noticed. Walk around a bit with eyes wide open and the cracks under the surface of respectability begin to show.  

I wonder how you might perceive UK cities if you were to return. You mention a shop being robbed at knife point, in Glasgow that was an every day occurrence, same with violence and drugs etc etc. 

Also the train lines, I used to frequent the midland and Armadale lines late at night, which are the worst ones allegedly, and never saw any violence. In Scotland we used to get stabbings on the train quite frequently sadly. 

[Paul1Perth]

2 hours ago, calNgary said:

It cant be that bad if it made the news, many assaults, car jackings and criminal offences in the North of the UK where my family live dont even make news anymore because it happens wayyyyy to much. It very rare to see someone charged with drug use as its an every day occurrence. Same with burglary's, apparently you just don't report them anymore as police are too busy dealing with bigger stuff. Sad really.

 Cal x

We were from near Stockport Cal and my wife worked in Moss Side. 

The difference here I find is there's a reaction from the police, Northbridge and the City will be swarming with them, in an attempt to clean it up and do something about it. There were some issues in Scarborough when they finished the foreshore development and the cops had to go downa few weeks on the trot to sort things out.

In the UK they just gave up and called places a no go area after dark. If you were daft enough to be in any of them it was almost your fault.

Pity it's taken something this bad to trigger a reaction and if the 15 year old and the bunch of younger girls turn out to be who I think they are they'll get a slap on the wrist. Feel sorry for the cops and security people sometimes.

See his parents have managed to get a flight here. Hope the young guy gets better.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Paul1Perth

[Paul1Perth]

1 hour ago, Blue Flu said:

Many assaults and criminal offences here in Perth don't make the news either. Obviously the powers that be, don't want the city viewed as a place of crime. My Scottish flat mate  had her flat mate visit from Paisley. First night mind you, walking back to High gate, where then lived, they were accosted by a well dressed man who said a couple of words then punched her out by a blow to the head where she hit the pavement. They never caught the attacker. No motive ever found, nor was it in the paper or media. (it was 1999) Following year A Hungarian fellow not long in the country, whom I knew, was stabbed to death in the hostel he was staying, by a person suffering a psychotic episode.  My near neighbour , has an friend in his eighties, who I met just the other day. He was savagely beaten in Mandurah recently and lucky to be alive. (that was reported) Lots of stuff going on around the inner city. Some anti social. Some drug related. Being close to the highest consumption in meth in the world, along with Adelaide and Darwin , a city's like Seattle , will in my view see crime escalate. It's already way, way out of control, and will not be reined in by those in a position to bring about change to rectify. A couple of years the Pizzeria at the top of my street was held up by a knife threatening young female , high I believe on drugs. House near me had front door kicked down on three occasions, but no evictions materialized. Another house in my street imploded after what I suspect meth cooking went wrong. (that was back in 01) For all intents and purposes a good area. First glance nothing untoward would be noticed. Walk around a bit with eyes wide open and the cracks under the surface of respectability begin to show.  

I've mentioned before Vancouver is the worst place I've ever seen or been. They seem to have just given up on a part of the City. It's not that far from where the cruise liners come in either. Gas town is a popular place but right on the edge of the dodgy area. People openly smoking crack pipes, doing drug deals, layed around in sleeping bags on a rainy day, people just walked round them, that was the middle of the day too.

[Blue Flu]

9 minutes ago, Paul1Perth said:

I've mentioned before Vancouver is the worst place I've ever seen or been. They seem to have just given up on a part of the City. It's not that far from where the cruise liners come in either. Gas town is a popular place but right on the edge of the dodgy area. People openly smoking crack pipes, doing drug deals, layed around in sleeping bags on a rainy day, people just walked round them, that was the middle of the day too.

Yep. Van an example as a city with such potential being decimated in parts by homeless and drug abuse. Seattle (WA) being another in that part of the world. I'm sure there are more. My question being why did the authorities throw their hands up in surrender.? I pose the same question here. Why has Perth been allowed to become along with Adelaide and Darwin (we'll leave out the smaller places ) the ice capitals of the world? Signs were in evidence of a Van type scenario developing in Perth and Fremantle during the partial lockdown and following weeks until the powers above intervened.  Perth, being Perth much is under covers, or at least the major public gaze. This should not under mine the serious issues in our city and country WA. Unless there are moves to rectify the rot, well we can expect much the same thing.  

[ramot]

46 minutes ago, Paul1Perth said:

We were from near Stockport Cal and my wife worked in Moss Side. 

The difference here I find is there's a reaction from the police, Northbridge and the City will be swarming with them, in an attempt to clean it up and do something about it. There were some issues in Scarborough when they finished the foreshore development and the cops had to go downa few weeks on the trot to sort things out.

In the UK they just gave up and called places a no go area after dark. If you were daft enough to be in any of them it was almost your fault.

Pity it's taken something this bad to trigger a reaction and if the 15 year old and the bunch of younger girls turn out to be who I think they are they'll get a slap on the wrist. Feel sorry for the cops and security people sometimes.

See his parents have managed to get a flight here. Hope the young guy gets better.

I knew about this Paul from a family member so that’s really good news, to hear  that his parents have finally got a flight.  I’ve just seen I missed the update. It’s taken 3 days for them to get a flight due to the restrictions, they also have a 3 month visitor visa, and an exemption from quarantine, they can’t wait to be by his side. Danny is a very talented football player, His family are very grateful for the support he has had from his friends here in Australia and the gofundme page they set up,

I hope he recovers, it’s an awful thing to happen to anyone, and sadly it could happen anywhere in the world.

Edited September 9, 2021 by ramot

[Blue Flu]

1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

I wonder how you might perceive UK cities if you were to return. You mention a shop being robbed at knife point, in Glasgow that was an every day occurrence, same with violence and drugs etc etc. 

Also the train lines, I used to frequent the midland and Armadale lines late at night, which are the worst ones allegedly, and never saw any violence. In Scotland we used to get stabbings on the train quite frequently sadly. 

Exactly how late do you take the train at night? Odd you take both lines?  Even day time once a week my partner takes the train from Gosnells' and has witnessed a few incidents both on the train and station. At times there are several security guards at that station to prevent trouble.  I took the Armadale Line for three years and saw far more than over a similar duration on London Underground. Many incidents not dangerous just anti social;, but did witness aggression including when asking a bloke to stop harassing a young woman . He had his shirt off wanting to fight. Look I'm not attempting to say Glasgow has less crime than Perth. That would be ridiculous. What I am saying is it not difficult to become a victim in Perth, due to so few people out and about. There are a lot of aggressive people looking for trouble. New Year's Eve in Perth was another example of that. Fights galore. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in Liverpool or elsewhere. Just confirming it most certainly happens in Perth . 

[Blue Flu]

45 minutes ago, Paul1Perth said:

We were from near Stockport Cal and my wife worked in Moss Side. 

The difference here I find is there's a reaction from the police, Northbridge and the City will be swarming with them, in an attempt to clean it up and do something about it. There were some issues in Scarborough when they finished the foreshore development and the cops had to go downa few weeks on the trot to sort things out.

In the UK they just gave up and called places a no go area after dark. If you were daft enough to be in any of them it was almost your fault.

Pity it's taken something this bad to trigger a reaction and if the 15 year old and the bunch of younger girls turn out to be who I think they are they'll get a slap on the wrist. Feel sorry for the cops and security people sometimes.

See his parents have managed to get a flight here. Hope the young guy gets better.

Police are reactive. Lots of incidents go under the radar in NorthBridge. It is only usually after a death or serious injury that it comes to light. Hence the same reaction here in Perth as in certain UK city centres. The general public tend to be wary going to such places late at night. It really matters not if that is Perth, or Manchester or Glasgow. The perceptions of unsafety are there . For those living there it is the same.

[MacGyver]

8 minutes ago, Blue Flu said:

Exactly how late do you take the train at night? Odd you take both lines?  Even day time once a week my partner takes the train from Gosnells' and has witnessed a few incidents both on the train and station. At times there are several security guards at that station to prevent trouble.  I took the Armadale Line for three years and saw far more than over a similar duration on London Underground. Many incidents not dangerous just anti social;, but did witness aggression including when asking a bloke to stop harassing a young woman . He had his shirt off wanting to fight. Look I'm not attempting to say Glasgow has less crime than Perth. That would be ridiculous. What I am saying is it not difficult to become a victim in Perth, due to so few people out and about. There are a lot of aggressive people looking for trouble. New Year's Eve in Perth was another example of that. Fights galore. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in Liverpool or elsewhere. Just confirming it most certainly happens in Perth . 

Lived on one line and worked on the other, travelled on both via Perth station. Late would be from midnight onwards on Midland line when I spent more time socialising in the city at night.

[MARYROSE02]

8 hours ago, Blue Flu said:

You probably mean Rosie O'Gradys in North Bridge. I believe now closed. There was another in Fremantle. Subiaco Hotel good for cheap beer. But North Bridge in the news again for violence. An English soccer player on life support after being assaulted without reason on the street. His parents desperately trying to get on a flight out to Perth. Lots of comments on line with regards to the feeling of unsafety in North Bridge. No supporter of McGowan here or ALP. Hospital crisis. Drug issues. And so on. When the borders are finally open we shall see . 

I had to Google "Irish pub Subiaco" and see there is place called "Fenway" which I don't remember but looks familiar.

Rosie O'Gradies? I stayed on the same street near the WA Peeler HQ, nice aparthotel and I went to that pub a few times for dinner. I didn't mind Northbridge though I was down the quiet(er) end. I've always been used to living walking distance from the CBD so I liked Northbridge. 

Looking back on my two trips - 7 weeks and 5 weeks I think - they were a sort of template for getting to know a place.  The first trip I spent 6 weeks in South Perth in 2 aparthotels, one on Melville Pde and the other on the Esplanade, and a week in Margaret River. On the second trip I had 2 weeks in an airbnb in Applecross, a week in Northbridge,  a week east to York, then south to Albany, and a week in South Perth. 

I remember sitting in my car having checked out of one place and thinking "Scarborough? Fremantle?" Scarborough being where I used to swim in 1978 when I lived in Newcastle St and got bus there,  and Fremantle reminding me of inner city Sydney suburbs with its old homes.

The second trip was a "reality check" in that on the first trip I was in holiday mode thinking "I love it here and I want to stay" whilst on second trip I was thinking "I still like it but do I want to 'emigrate' here and move away from my family and friends?"

I still liked it as a place; the isolation part is irrelevant to me and I like the lack of crowds and seven day, all day rush hour that is Sydney.  I actually enjoyed driving in Perth whereas I'm Sydney it's something to endure to get from A to B. It's just I did not want to uproot myself again having done it four times, from Southampton to Sydney and back twice.

 

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by MARYROSE02

[MARYROSE02]

8 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Yep, there is a new pub in Iluka. We've been a few times, have friends who've moved into the new apartments next door to the pub. They moved from a huge house in The Vines to a 3 bed apartment. The kids have left home, we went to their 60th last year so they thought time to downsize.

We met them and another couple in the pub a few weeks ago. I noticed they had a big screen with the soccer roundup on, we were chatting though so weren't really watching it. Nice pub, good food, massive selection of beers, London Pride on tap, that's a first. Most have Guiness and Kilkenny but not seen London Pride before.

There apartment is on the top floor, 3rd, not a massive high rise, thankfully and the views are fantastic. Over the dunes 180 degree sea views looking over Burns Beach. Glorious sunsets and they're on the right side of the building to be protected from the wind. They bought it off the plan, best apartment in the block I reckon.

They are loving it at the moment but it'll be tough coming from a big house with garden, pool, sheds, garage.

I Googled both the Iluka Tavern and Iluka suburb then Iluka homes for sale  - some nice looking homes around 800k. A one bedroom flat, nicer than mine ie nice as refurbished   with garage and balcony but no courtyard which I have  - sold at auction for $805,000.

You can't really compare the two but my home near Southampton,  3 bedrooms, front and rear gardens,  garage, detached, is worth maybe £350 000 - just had an increased offer which I wasn't expecting , must check soon to see if it's going through.

I like the idea of a low-rise apartment like yr friends,  possibly a garden unit  or maybe duplex style town house which I may be able to afford on "the Goldie"  though not in Main Beach which I like. I like Surfers itself anyway so no problem getting apartment there but not many town house type places.  Chevron Island perhaps but I don't like it there or anywhere away from the beach.

Is it a new build suburb? I went to one south and west of Fremantle once, all new homes and had a meal in am Indian restaurant.  I spoke to Pommie family in there I remember.  Nice homes but for me on my own I prefer to be very close to the city hence Surry Hills, Surfers Paradise, and South Perth. Since I was there a new complex has been completed near Windsor hotel (a fave haunt of mine). They were building it when I was there.  I like the set up in Mends St, doctor and chemist, pub,  cafes and restaurants,  the river front, ferry to the CBD though I've not been on it,  and easy access to the north south freeway if I want to drive. The only thing it lacks is a railway station.

[ali]

10 hours ago, Marisawright said:

 

Of course you do.  But the fact remains that the air fare is at least twice the price, plus the longer travel time means you almost need an extra day.  So you're able to do it less often within your budget and it's a bigger decision. 

An example - when I was in Sydney, I would sometimes travel to Brisbane or Melbourne to see a performance by a visiting overseas ballet company. Book a bargain flight early Saturday morning, hand luggage only, in town by lunchtime, time for sightseeing, see the show, one night in a hotel, spend the day sightseeing then get a late flight and still be home in time to get a good night's sleep for work the next day.  

I doubt you'd do that from Perth, because the longer flights would eat into your holiday time too much. You'd start thinking about going a day early or coming back a day later, then you'll need another hotel night - all getting too expensive so you decide you can't justify the cost.  

And please note, if you read my original post, that I am not saying Perth is isolated. I am saying I understand why people who are used to quick, cheap access to a very wide variety of destinations are likely to feel isolated in Perth because of the higher cost and longer travel times.   People who travel less frequently won't care.

Are you talking generally, because I'm sure you don't know how often I can afford to go over East or how long I'd stay, you seem to judge what everyone else does based on what you would do, but we're all different and you can't make generalised sweeping statements based on your own likes/dislikes. 

[Marisawright]

41 minutes ago, ali said:

Are you talking generally, because I'm sure you don't know how often I can afford to go over East or how long I'd stay, you seem to judge what everyone else does based on what you would do, but we're all different and you can't make generalised sweeping statements based on your own likes/dislikes. 

That’s exactly my point. I am not making a sweeping statement at all. I am saying SOME people will find it isolating for the reasons I offered and SOME people won’t. How is that sweeping

[Blue Flu]

16 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Lived on one line and worked on the other, travelled on both via Perth station. Late would be from midnight onwards on Midland line when I spent more time socialising in the city at night.

Late night from midnight would suggest it was Friday/Saturday night trains that were special additions that run every hour until two or three am. I'm not even sure if they were terminated and no longer run. That being the case, although never taken one, would suspect more patrons and likely security at that time. Last trains during the week days were before midnight at Queens Park Station. Few people on that train. At times some very intimidating on or around the station.