State of the NHS

[ali]

I think there's a number of issues, Funding , increasing population and also an ageing one. 

When the NHS was founded, the life expectancy for men was mid 66's and now it's  79's.  The population of the UK like a lot of countries has increased considerably from just over 23 million in  1948 to over 65 million in 2017 - that has to have some impact on resources.  

[Rallyman]

12 minutes ago, ali said:

I think there's a number of issues, Funding , increasing population and also an ageing one. 

When the NHS was founded, the life expectancy for men was mid 66's and now it's  79's.  The population of the UK like a lot of countries has increased considerably from just over 23 million in  1948 to over 65 million in 2017 - that has to have some impact on resources.  

Agree , it’s a number of issues and just throwing money at something will not guarantee a fix . 

[Rallyman]

On 08/08/2018 at 23:33, simmo said:

So nothing to do with the population increasing by 2.4 m over the last 5 years with 85% from immigration, or the fact that 1/3 of all births are by foreign born mothers.  

You know by now Simmo , can’t let facts get in the way of a good story ! 

[digitalis]

The more money you throw at it, the more it will absorb. The population (due to immigration) is too high to support the NHS as we think we know it when combined with every other old person living to late 80's. Every single Winter it's "the NHS cannot continue for much longer". Then Spring breaks and it's all A-Ok again. 

 

[newjez]

1 hour ago, Rallyman said:

You know by now Simmo , can’t let facts get in the way of a good story ! 

Well, as a large portion of the NHS staff are immigrants, saying immigration is causing the problem is not really helpful, as it is also solving the problem. Immigration is only a problem if the spend on infrastructure doesn't match the increase in population. And it's not even as simple as that. The increase in spending needs to be spent on the particular needs of the demographic which has increased in population, ie maternity or stroke units. It really comes down to poor planning.

Just playing the immigration card, or the aging population card is a bit too simplistic for what is quite a complicated issue.

Edited August 12, 2018 by newjez

[BacktoDemocracy]

6 hours ago, ali said:

I think there's a number of issues, Funding , increasing population and also an ageing one. 

When the NHS was founded, the life expectancy for men was mid 66's and now it's  79's.  The population of the UK like a lot of countries has increased considerably from just over 23 million in  1948 to over 65 million in 2017 - that has to have some impact on resources.  

50.5mill in 1951

http://www.populstat.info/Europe/unkingdc.htm

[BacktoDemocracy]

6 hours ago, Rallyman said:

Agree , it’s a number of issues and just throwing money at something will not guarantee a fix . 

Well starving it of resources definitely won't fix it will it

It's a bit like saying I never get my car serviced and then wondering why it keeps breaking down and uses loads more fuel.

[BacktoDemocracy]

5 hours ago, digitalis said:

The more money you throw at it, the more it will absorb. The population (due to immigration) is too high to support the NHS as we think we know it when combined with every other old person living to late 80's. Every single Winter it's "the NHS cannot continue for much longer". Then Spring breaks and it's all A-Ok again. 

 

Tell me how  those migrants are a burden on everything when most are employed and should be paying taxes and NI, they are productive members of society.

Of course we could send them all home and see the NHS, ( at all levels, from consultants to cleaners) agriculture, construction and transport grind to a halt.

Trebles all round on that man over there.