bunbury61 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I don't agree. That is the message they may want to get out but the reality lays elsewhere. I don't necessary agree it is marginally better than the 70's at all. The economic system almost collapsed how is that better? How is high personal debt due to it being cheap a good thing. Why can I not afford to live in Central London in 2015 but I could in 1978? Why is London unaffordable to most apart from very high earners? Just what is better? Got me. No I haven't to be honest .....you asked about London ,its probably due to foreign investors and mass immigration . But getting back to me Corbyn , forget it ,its not going to happen . Even Hillary Benn has lambasted him this morning over his " don't shoot to kill " terrorists. The right wing press doesn't need to trip Jeremy up ,he does himself . I personally wont lose any sleep whether he is p.m or not ....but you asked for an opinion and I gave it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 No I haven't to be honest .....you asked about London ,its probably due to foreign investors and mass immigration .But getting back to me Corbyn , forget it ,its not going to happen . Even Hillary Benn has lambasted him this morning over his " don't shoot to kill " terrorists. The right wing press doesn't need to trip Jeremy up ,he does himself . I personally wont lose any sleep whether he is p.m or not ....but you asked for an opinion and I gave it . Fair enough. Not sure I agree with the shoot to kill policy either. Unless life is in danger obviously. The name of the game being to obtain as much information as possible. A little hard to entice info from a dead man. I think we have ascertained London is no better these days unless minted. Ordinary folk have been driven out ,depriving the city of artists and alternatives that once were part of the West London landscape. Pockets remain in parts of East London but the retreat has been long under way and entire inner city locations are not a bar on the life that one existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Fair enough. Not sure I agree with the shoot to kill policy either. Unless life is in danger obviously. The name of the game being to obtain as much information as possible. A little hard to entice info from a dead man. I think we have ascertained London is no better these days unless minted. Ordinary folk have been driven out ,depriving the city of artists and alternatives that once were part of the West London landscape. Pockets remain in parts of East London but the retreat has been long under way and entire inner city locations are not a bar on the life that one existed. No you ascertained that London was no better ....its certainly so much better to visit . Ordinary folk have been driven out by mass immigration to the inner city areas ....how many cockneys are there within 5 miles of the city of London . I got talking to an old cockney whilst sat in a restaurant in Covent garden this summer . He was born near waterloo station in central London .....he now lives 40 miles out ,due to the rise of the I.migrant population . At the high end ...middle eastern ,Chinese and Russian investors are buying huge chunks . Take the 60 luxury appts near Battersea power station .....22 were already set aside for Hong Kong investors....no questions asked,no thoughts for Londoners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I am one step removed from this but could it be that Corbyn's old speech about terrorists was in relation to the IRA? They were not in the habit of strapping bombs to their bodies and firing kalashnikovs indiscriminately. Everything I hear from Corbyn comes across as decent and consistent with a considerately-minded individual. If we had a fairer world then Corbyn could be a leader in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srg73 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 No Gbye Grey Sky, instead the IRA would load up a truck full of explosives, park it in central London and blow the hell out of anybody and everything whilst they stood a safe distance away! I do not see one being any better than the other.....bit of a silly statement? Corbin is nothing more than a reactive back bencher who was good for shouting from the sidelines. Now in the spotlght, the country can see how shallow and poorly founded most of his principles are. His principles are generally good for many of yesterday's problems is 70's and 80's when you could speak to your enemy as you knew who they were, you could stand up for workers as countries like China were not there to move in and pick up the slack. Sorry the world has moved on into a harder place to live, greater unseen threats and significantly increased competition for the simplest things such as water, work and human rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 No I haven't to be honest .....you asked about London ,its probably due to foreign investors and mass immigration .But getting back to me Corbyn , forget it ,its not going to happen . Even Hillary Benn has lambasted him this morning over his " don't shoot to kill " terrorists. The right wing press doesn't need to trip Jeremy up ,he does himself . I personally wont lose any sleep whether he is p.m or not ....but you asked for an opinion and I gave it . You can't say this! It implies most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds without the Daily Mail and The Sun brainwashing the middle and working classes respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 No Gbye Grey Sky, instead the IRA would load up a truck full of explosives, park it in central London and blow the hell out of anybody and everything whilst they stood a safe distance away! I do not see one being any better than the other.....bit of a silly statement? Corbin is nothing more than a reactive back bencher who was good for shouting from the sidelines. Now in the spotlght, the country can see how shallow and poorly founded most of his principles are. His principles are generally good for many of yesterday's problems is 70's and 80's when you could speak to your enemy as you knew who they were, you could stand up for workers as countries like China were not there to move in and pick up the slack. Sorry the world has moved on into a harder place to live, greater unseen threats and significantly increased competition for the simplest things such as water, work and human rights. You simply cannot equate the IRAs tactics with ISIS. The vast majority of IRA bombs came with warnings and were not intended to maximise casualties. Indeed, innocent casualties were regarded by many in the movement (not all) as counter-productive. They were after publicity for their cause mainly through disruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpodom Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 You simply cannot equate the IRAs tactics with ISIS. The vast majority of IRA bombs came with warnings and were not intended to maximise casualties. Indeed, innocent casualties were regarded by many in the movement (not all) as counter-productive. They were after publicity for their cause mainly through disruption. You can't say this! It implies that you support the IRA and therefore are a terrorist, therefore you support ISIS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 So why did they kidnap and murder housewives and other innocents ? For publicity ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 You can't say this! It implies most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds without the Daily Mail and The Sun brainwashing the middle and working classes respectively. The evidence would suggest otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 You simply cannot equate the IRAs tactics with ISIS. The vast majority of IRA bombs came with warnings and were not intended to maximise casualties. Indeed, innocent casualties were regarded by many in the movement (not all) as counter-productive. They were after publicity for their cause mainly through disruption. Exactly. There was a vast difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 No you ascertained that London was no better ....its certainly so much better to visit .Ordinary folk have been driven out by mass immigration to the inner city areas ....how many cockneys are there within 5 miles of the city of London . I got talking to an old cockney whilst sat in a restaurant in Covent garden this summer . He was born near waterloo station in central London .....he now lives 40 miles out ,due to the rise of the I.migrant population . At the high end ...middle eastern ,Chinese and Russian investors are buying huge chunks . Take the 60 luxury appts near Battersea power station .....22 were already set aside for Hong Kong investors....no questions asked,no thoughts for Londoners What changed London was the Big Boom. Foreigners have long held large sways of Inner London property, in the 70's and 80's it was Arab money pouring in. In fact I rented a two bedroom flat in W2 Bayswater/Notting Hill border, for many years without a single rent increase. The owner was Lebanese living in Beirut and looked at long term appreciation not yield, and preferred to know his investment was in good hands, rather than have a constant flow of renters pass through over the years. The financial industry's massive growth, is what raised prices to astounding levels, which allowed whole areas to renovate knowing rents and sales would be adequately compensate cost. Gentrification resulted putting an end to affordable rents as the Tories took away rent protection. London became an even more dog eat dog city and time to leave for those that had witnessed it in more gentler times. Not that London was even 'gentle' around aspects of money, it just got a darn sight worse. The movement of council tenants to other parts out of London, to Essex, The Midlands etc has long been in process and continues it would appear to this day. The risk of creating a top heavy city, home to a specific type, is well en train. I expect there are far more Cockney's in Essex than anywhere of a ten kilometre radius of Bow's Bells these days. The simple fact being London is too expensive for the average Englander, and a strain on resources to the average Londoner. When I looked at buying in 2010 during a stint of living there some three quarters of London property was reported as being sold to non resident foreigners. I had a few real estate take me around to view a few offerings and most were of a low standard for the money being asked. Is London a better place to visit now? Debatable. It is cleaner than decades back. Always is and always has been a great city for a short visit. Aspects of the old, more affordable London though will always be missed I'd suggest by those that knew the different faces. For living though before was definitely far better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The evidence would suggest otherwise. Why don't the lefties figure out a way to dish up the "truth" in an entertaining way then? They have had long enough to practice. Have you ever read a Communist newspaper? Not so much "Truth " (Pravda?) as "The truth is boring! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flag of convenience Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Why don't the lefties figure out a way to dish up the "truth" in an entertaining way then? They have had long enough to practice. Have you ever read a Communist newspaper? Not so much "Truth " (Pravda?) as "The truth is boring! " Well truth seldom gets into the way of ideology with the right dip sticks. No never read Pravda. Too much to the right for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I am one step removed from this but could it be that Corbyn's old speech about terrorists was in relation to the IRA? They were not in the habit of strapping bombs to their bodies and firing kalashnikovs indiscriminately. Everything I hear from Corbyn comes across as decent and consistent with a considerately-minded individual. If we had a fairer world then Corbyn could be a leader in it. Totally agree ggs ...the British govt were involved in some bad stuff in northern Ireland ...but we shall not go there . But I cant for the life of me defend the Birmingham pub bombings or the young lad who died in Warrington ...but as I said the British govt were responsible for equal barbarity ...hopefully this is all history between the u.k and Ireland . You cannot equate Irish nationalism to Isis ....the I.r.a generally gave coded earnings .....isis are just filth...and its going off everywhere ....they have made a serious error by beheading that Chinese man .....china has a 2 million man army ....they are already in the background in Syria ...they will not hesitate. We have had a teacher stabbed in Marseille....and Isis are threatening new York.... The world will sort this **** out eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 You can't say this! It implies most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds without the Daily Mail and The Sun brainwashing the middle and working classes respectively. I don't read papers now ...jeremy has a long list of faux pas ...ken livingstone messed up yesterday as well .....i have nothing against me Corbyn ...much rather him than Mr Blair ( I cant believe he's got away with his deceit ). I support royal mail .....nhs ...and re nationalising the railways ...but you just cant get away with sitting at the top table at a Hamas or hizbollah rally and get away with it . Ultimately they are all enemies of the West ....we have various groups coming in and out of favour ...but ultimately they all want to see Islam dominate the world . Its a different interpretation between sunni and Shia that goes back to the 7th century .....they are all waiting for the Mahdi to arrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 It's going well http://www.theweek.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn/62858/jeremy-corbyn-and-ken-livingstone-silly-mistakes-dont-go-away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Really well [h=3]YouGov’s latest survey of party leaders’ ratings contains good news and bad news for Jeremy Corbyn – his problem is that the bad rather swamps the good[/h] https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/28/camerons-rating-down-corbyns-down-more/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 More propaganda from the far right fascist black shirted...err shadow cabinet http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/air-strikes-in-syria-jeremy-corbyn-faces-shadow-cabinet-revolt-over-opposition-to-british-military-a6750651.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Has he settled into the role? Have the right wing press managed to tear him limb from limb yet? Is he a joke figure?i Has the sky fallen in? Unbiased answers please, from people who actually know what they're talking about, thanks in advance Sorry but its imploding ...no right wing press needed...shadow cabinet in disarray over Syria ...mc Donnell got maos little red book out at pms questions yesterday ....big mistake . Corby. A sharp principled man ,I agree with him over Syria....but labour as a government ........mc Donnell ...diane Abbott ...please no more...ok then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slean Wolfhead Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) http://www.businessinsider.com.au/jeremy-corbyn-poll-numbers-v-ed-miliband-2015-11?r=UK&IR=T That is interesting Inside the London Bubble, the media narrative about Jeremy Corbyn goes a bit like this: Corbyn has been a disaster as the new leader of the Labour Party. He’s tearing the party apart as the socialist army inside the Momentum group threatens to deselect moderate MPs who show him disloyalty. He can’t control the people who sympathise with him, like veteran lefty Ken Livingstone, whom he appointed to his defence review team and who immediately caused offence by saying Labour’s shadow defence minister Kevan Jones “might need psychiatric help.” And he’s going to lose the country as a whole by taking bonkers positions, such as the idea that you can fight ISIS with negotiations in the United Nations. His rabid supporters have even managed to alienate Rob Webb, the comic genius behind Peep Show, who called the “Corbynators” a bunch of “posturing *****.” But hold that thought. Here’s a piece of news that has received almost zero attention from London’s political media: In the country as a whole, Corbyn is actually doing rather well, according to the most recent Ipsos-MORI poll. When asked who they would vote for if an election was held tomorrow, 35% said Labour and 37% said Conservative: OK, so Labour are still trailing the Tories. But bear in mind that back at the May general election, former Labour leader Ed Miliband managed to poll only about 30% of the national vote, to PM David Cameron’s 37%. Both parties have gained as they continue to take votes from UKIP and the Liberal Democrats, according to the YouGov polling blog. (The Green Party added a point, too.) And, as Business Insider noted previously, Miliband was actually a successful Labour leader. He added 740,000 votes to Labour’s total at the last election, compared to the previous one. (Labour lost because the Tory gains from the Liberals, coupled with Labour’s losses to the SNP, screwed the Labour Party out of about 1 million votes it would otherwise have got.) Polls are not elections of course. And the 2020 vote is a long way away. But if Corbyn’s numbers stay firm over time it will prove our pet theory that the hostile media environment isn’t detrimental to Corbyn — it actually helps him by proving his supporters’ suspicions about the bias of the right-wing media. It seem to me that a lot of people agree with Corbyn and his principles, but more think that the UK as a country has gone past the point of being able to put principles before politics. He's honest enough to just state his case and not get dragged into "tit-for-tat" exchanges favoured by populist PR men like Blair and Cameron. There's not much wrong with what he's saying that wouldn't have been completely acceptable and mainstream even 30 years ago. Definitely not "loony left" compared to some we've had, and people can see that he's a decent man that we'd like to vote for but just can't....so the only alternative is to destroy him. In 2015 it's classed as loony left because everything else moved right, including socialism. The thing about elections is that the people collectively, usually end up with the political leaders they deserve and the success of the nation rises or falls by that. Edited November 28, 2015 by Slean Wolfhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/jeremy-corbyn-poll-numbers-v-ed-miliband-2015-11?r=UK&IR=T That is interesting It seem to me that a lot of people agree with Corbyn and his principles, but more think that the UK as a country has gone past the point of being able to put principles before politics. He's honest enough to just state his case and not get dragged into "tit-for-tat" exchanges favoured by populist PR men like Blair and Cameron. There's not much wrong with what he's saying that wouldn't have been completely acceptable and mainstream even 30 years ago. Definitely not "loony left" compared to some we've had, and people can see that he's a decent man that we'd like to vote for but just can't....so the only alternative is to destroy him. In 2015 it's classed as loony left because everything else moved right, including socialism. The thing about elections is that the people collectively, usually end up with the political leaders they deserve and the success of the nation rises or falls by that. In a nutshell. Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockinTas Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/jeremy-corbyn-poll-numbers-v-ed-miliband-2015-11?r=UK&IR=T That is interesting It seem to me that a lot of people agree with Corbyn and his principles, but more think that the UK as a country has gone past the point of being able to put principles before politics. He's honest enough to just state his case and not get dragged into "tit-for-tat" exchanges favoured by populist PR men like Blair and Cameron. There's not much wrong with what he's saying that wouldn't have been completely acceptable and mainstream even 30 years ago. Definitely not "loony left" compared to some we've had, and people can see that he's a decent man that we'd like to vote for but just can't....so the only alternative is to destroy him. In 2015 it's classed as loony left because everything else moved right, including socialism. The thing about elections is that the people collectively, usually end up with the political leaders they deserve and the success of the nation rises or falls by that. That's what I loathe about politicians - all that tit for tat rubbish. Some members here on PIO also seem to enjoy it :cute: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/jeremy-corbyn-poll-numbers-v-ed-miliband-2015-11?r=UK&IR=T That is interesting It seem to me that a lot of people agree with Corbyn and his principles, but more think that the UK as a country has gone past the point of being able to put principles before politics. He's honest enough to just state his case and not get dragged into "tit-for-tat" exchanges favoured by populist PR men like Blair and Cameron. There's not much wrong with what he's saying that wouldn't have been completely acceptable and mainstream even 30 years ago. Definitely not "loony left" compared to some we've had, and people can see that he's a decent man that we'd like to vote for but just can't....so the only alternative is to destroy him. In 2015 it's classed as loony left because everything else moved right, including socialism. The thing about elections is that the people collectively, usually end up with the political leaders they deserve and the success of the nation rises or falls by that. Interesting but out of date, the poll he was referring to was taken before the Paris massacre/ Corbyn shoot to kill/ bombing Syria fiasco, now it's Cons 41% Lab 34%. http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Britain has not made an irrevocable shift to the right; Most people in Britain favour a middle-of-the-road position and if either main party shifts too far to right or left they lose their appeal. The sort of pacificism that Corbyn favours involves Britain unilaterally disarming. It does not matter what situation Britain is in; he will always oppose going to war. Didn't Corbyn refuse to follow the Labour Pary line on hundreds of issues when he was an "ordinary" MP? I'd love to know what those issues were? Edited November 28, 2015 by MARYROSE02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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