What does it take to make a REALLY successful British migrant in Australia?

[MARYROSE02]

I'm still waiting for somone to tell me how its the governments fault some moron goes into a roof space and kills themselves through carelessness. Clearly the era of personal responsibility is over.

 

Moron!? My God, you can be nasty. Read the reports'. The Australian has covered it in depth today. What would happen if you went into work today and an electrician had done a body repair job, leaving a live wire exposed where it should not have been, perhaps in a dark corner, and you were electrocuted? Personal responsibility?

 

Read about the pain experienced by the four sets of parents, knowing it was negligence by the Government, not their sons which led to their deaths.

[Parley]

I bet Kevin Rudd and Peter Garrett are feeling very relieved they are out of the limelight now.

 

They should both hang their heads in shame and never venture into the public arena again.

Edited September 2, 2014 by parleycross

[Paul1Perth]

Lack of training of inexperienced installers and lack of supervision.

Read the report.

 

Still can't see why the government should get blamed though. It should be down to the shonky company that didn't train their personnel. If someone gets injured or killed at work the usual practice is to fine the company for not providing a safe workplace. If they didn't give the appropriate training then the directors or owners of the company should be looking at a massive fine or jail time.

[Keith and Linda]

Still can't see why the government should get blamed though. It should be down to the shonky company that didn't train their personnel. If someone gets injured or killed at work the usual practice is to fine the company for not providing a safe workplace. If they didn't give the appropriate training then the directors or owners of the company should be looking at a massive fine or jail time.

 

The government could have regulated in ensuring only existing established companies with trained personnel got the work and that an electrical inspection had to be carried out first.

[Guest]

Getting back to the mediocrity of mainstream Australian media, in particular commercial TV, there was a fascinating Media Watch episode, just aired tonight. Here is a transcript:

 

 

Is it a story or is it an ad? ACA’s exclusive behind the scenes 'investigations' into retail chains, leave viewers wondering

 

But now let’s have a bit of fun.

 

In fact let’s go shopping with the Fresh Food People at A Current Affair.

 

 

VOICEOVER: What are you really buying at the supermarket? Fresh food, or groceries that are 10 months old?

 

BEN McCORMACK: We reveal the truth in this special consumer investigation.

 

VOICEOVER: Meat, dairy, bread, fruit and veg. The cost, the quality.

 

BEN McCORMACK: And just how fresh is this apple? The answer might surprise you

 

VOICEOVER: A Current Affair, tonight.

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August 2014

 

A fortnight ago A Current Affair unleashed another of its ‘special consumer investigations’ that threatened to spill the beans on all supermarket secrets.

 

It didn’t quite do that but it did ask some pretty tough questions of you know who:

 

 

BEN MCCORMACK: How fresh is your fresh produce?

 

KAREN MADDEN: Our fresh produce is very fresh.

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August 2014

 

For 12 extraordinary minutes, A Current Affair gave us an exclusive behind the scenes look at how Woolies manages to sell such wonderful food .

 

Starting with its bread:

 

 

BEN McCORMACK: Do you import any of your ingredients from overseas?

 

BAKER: No, we don’t. All our ingredients is 100 per cent Australian.

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August 2014

 

Moving on to its produce

 

 

BEN MCCORMACK: Cartons of fruit and vegies are randomly checked by the quality control team.

 

APPLE GUY: They’re looking really good actually, there’s no defects on them, no skin marks, no bruises or any rotten parts.

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August 2014

 

Then taking a leisurely look at the milk

 

 

BEN MCCORMACK: How long does the milk take to get from the cow, from your farm here, to the supermarket shelf?

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August 2014

 

And of course they didn’t forget the meat.

 

 

BEN MCCORMACK: So Blair, how long has that meat been sitting there?

 

BLAIR, BUTCHER: Ah, we cut this fresh every morning.

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August 2014

 

And all this came without an ad break.

 

But they didn’t really need one because they’d already put it in the story.

 

 

VOICEOVER: “Showtime!”

We’re Woolworths the Fresh Food people.

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August 2014

 

And if you were wondering what their favourite word was, it was:

 

 

fresh, fresh, fresh ...

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 18th August, 2014

 

In fact they liked it so much they used it 26 times.

 

Now, amazingly, Woolworths and A Current Affair agree this extended advertorial was not paid for or vetted by the shopping giant .

 

But even more amazingly, Woolies isn’t the only big retailer to be given the free puff treatment.

 

Back in July ACA went all the way to China to investigate how Kmart gives such great quality for that low, low price:

 

 

BRADY HALLS: As the former boss of McDonalds, Russo used to flog cheap takeaway. These last few years he’s been using that cheap as chips philosophy at Kmart, and again, without the nasty. Guy, how do you know that the products you’re selling cheap are safe?

 

GUY RUSSO: Everything we sell at Kmart must meet Australian standards ...

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 14th July, 2014

 

And journalist Brady Halls was quick to reassure viewers in his 14 minute investigation that everything was above board in Kmart’s Chinese factories and no one gets exploited:

 

 

BRADY HALLS: Guy, how do you know everyone on this factory floor is above age?

 

GUY RUSSO: Our team, we’ve got 300 staff that work here, and we come in and check all the records of each and every one of them ...

 

BRADY HALLS: Do they get a fair price for their work?

 

GUY RUSSO: Yeah, for the city they live in, yes ...

 

— Channel Nine, A Current Affair, 14th July, 2014

 

Had Kmart been scripting the story itself it could not have done better.

 

So if Channel Nine isn’t getting paid for this , why is the program spending so much valuable time on the ‘story’?

 

And valuable it certainly is, says media analyst Steve Allen:

 

 

It’s worth millions. The length of the story means viewers can’t avoid it because even if they look at their iPad or go to make a cup of tea, it’s still on. It’s such a long piece, it’s unavoidable. It’s worth an incalculable amount. It’s the best coverage anyone can get.

 

— Steve Allen, Managing Director, Fusion Strategy, Statement to Media Watch, 17th July, 2014

 

 

Allen believes that Nine would be using stories like this to woo Woolies and Kmart into advertising on the network. Or rewarding them for doing so.

 

And with Nine under pressure as revenue falls it has plenty of reason to keep them sweet.

 

According to media monitoring agency EBIQUITY, Woolworths spent a whopping $7.5 million with Nine in the three months to July, compared to $5.1 million with Seven and only $2.1 million with Ten.

 

While Kmart spent more than a million dollars advertising with Nine compared to about $650,000 with Seven and $300,000 with Ten.

 

So it’s worth A Current Affair throwing in a puff or two to keep those big retailers happy and make sure they get as much value for money as their customers.

 

 

"Next week on 'A Current Affair' Ben McCormack interviews the Prime Minister about what a bloody good bloke Scott Morrison is."

 

 

BM: "So Mr Abbott, you told me off camera before what a bloody good bloke Scott Morrison is."

TA: "Ah yeah mate, he's a beaut old bloke."

BM: "And the two of you go way back I understand?"

TA: "Ah yeah, we used to go book-burning together, foreign authors mainly, but anything by that bloody Pilger would go on the fire."

BM: "And I believe you have a funny story about your time together in Cronulla?"

TA: "Ah yeah, there was this time at the golf club there where he drowned 42 kittens in the septic tank. 42!, he broke Alan Jones' record!. He's a bloody legend."

[Harpodom]

:biglaugh:

 

The trouble is you don't even have to parody these 'interviews', they parody themselves and commercial TV is chokkers with em.

 

I remember watching plenty of 'interviews' conducted by 'Bert' on GMA: poor bastard, he looked so depressed. I could just imagine him having those 'would you like me to lap dance for you' reveries as he stood there 'interviewing' some knob in lycra selling (nay, flogging like a dead horse) the Abdominizer 15000 XLi

 

Its beyond ridiculous.

 

"Next week on 'A Current Affair' Ben McCormack interviews the Prime Minister about what a bloody good bloke Scott Morrison is."

 

 

BM: "So Mr Abbott, you told me off camera before what a bloody good bloke Scott Morrison is."

TA: "Ah yeah mate, he's a beaut old bloke."

BM: "And the two of you go way back I understand?"

TA: "Ah yeah, we used to go book-burning together, foreign authors mainly, but anything by that bloody Pilger would go on the fire."

BM: "And I believe you have a funny story about your time together in Cronulla?"

TA: "Ah yeah, there was this time at the golf club there where he drowned 42 kittens in the septic tank. 42!, he broke Alan Jones' record!. He's a bloody legend."

Edited September 2, 2014 by Harpodom

[Paul1Perth]

The government could have regulated in ensuring only existing established companies with trained personnel got the work and that an electrical inspection had to be carried out first.

 

The whole idea of the rollout was to get people in work and help stimulate the economy quickly. If they had gone through the process of checking and regulating every company and done electrical inspections nobody would have been able to afford it. An electrical inspection by a qualified sparkie would have cost as much as the insulation. There aren't enough qualified sparkies around to do the work and even with an inspection there's nothing to stop the untrained insulation guy stepping on or breaking a perfectly safe (as far as an electrical inspection would have said) junction box.

 

A lot of time the wrong insulation was used. Foil backed insulation in older houses.

 

Should come back to the company doing the work.

[Keith and Linda]

The whole idea of the rollout was to get people in work and help stimulate the economy quickly. If they had gone through the process of checking and regulating every company and done electrical inspections nobody would have been able to afford it. An electrical inspection by a qualified sparkie would have cost as much as the insulation. There aren't enough qualified sparkies around to do the work and even with an inspection there's nothing to stop the untrained insulation guy stepping on or breaking a perfectly safe (as far as an electrical inspection would have said) junction box.

 

A lot of time the wrong insulation was used. Foil backed insulation in older houses.

 

Should come back to the company doing the work.

 

Yes but it still could have been done more safely, they did not need to regulate every company just introduce regulations for companies to follow, and these may then have not encouraged fly by night companies to set-up just for that purpose, a few legitimate long standing companies that do the right thing have since suffered the consequences of these rogue installers . Try asking the families of those that died if the cost of an electrical inspection would have been too costly! Should there then have been a pre and post install electrical inspection? Untrained insulation guy you say! then regulate for trained personnel only, simple really. Wrong insulation? then specify the type to be used, again simple really, but even the non foil type if not installed correctly over light-fittings can be dangerous too, so trained personnel needed again. Not enough electricians? then surely that sector would have got stimulated too then!

As you say it comes back to the company doing the work, but who let/enabled those companies to work unregulated?

[theonetruechris]

Corporate liability. The company / person being paid to install should be liable.

[wakeboard1980]

Corporate liability. The company / person being paid to install should be liable.

No doubt they will be or have been already.

[Keith and Linda]

Corporate liability. The company / person being paid to install should be liable.

 

I agree and I have never denied that point, but the whole thing could and should have been regulated and guided lined better to lessen the hazards/risks, and that had to come from higher up the food chain, and then corporate liability would be more clear cut, had that been done then maybe those poor soles would be alive today.

In workplace health and safety there are regulations and guidelines in place and these are either regularly updated or new ones introduced, so why not in this matter?

[Que Sera Sera]

What does it take to become a successful migrant?

 

Adaptability .Flexibility. Pliability & Ability.

[ramot]

What does it take to become a successful migrant?

 

Adaptability .Flexibility. Pliability & Ability.

 

 

At last a post back to the original question!!! Agree QSS. Plus Don't give up at the first hurdle.

[Harpodom]

What does it take to become a successful migrant?

 

Adaptability .Flexibility. Pliability & Ability.

 

agree with all except 'pliability', which to me implies you need to change who you are to fit in

[Que Sera Sera]

agree with all except 'pliability', which to me implies you need to change who you are to fit in

 

( Pliability) - Receptive to change; adaptable: pliable attitudes. I suppose to me its accepting some things you cannot change so yes you change or mold yourself to adapt.

[MARYROSE02]

People need to read the report. It's the government that stuffed up, trying to rush something through in a couple of weeks, that should have taken months to plan, and probably should have been done through the State governments, not the Commonwealth. And the Rudd / Juliar governments did much the same thing with the NBN and the schools, though not with the same tragic results.

[wrussell]

Learn to cheat, lie and steal.

[Guest]

Learn to cheat, lie and steal.

 

 

When in Rome?

[MARYROSE02]

Learn to cheat, lie and steal.

 

That does not work any more. 18th century, yes, early 19th century, but no good now, they just put you in prison in England 'for the term of your natural life.'