State Sponsorship - do I have to live in that state?

[Guest Kate10]

TBH I think people should be a little less harsh on those who need to go to a state other than the state that sponsored them.

 

When we first started looking at Australia we were really keen on Brisbane. We applied for ss for Queensland but very quickly realised that it was going to take Q'land months to process the applications. For reasons that would bore you if I went into them here, we needed to go a lot sooner than that. So we started looking into WA, decided we would be happy to live in Perth, applied for SS and it was granted a few days later. This allowed us to get our visa app in in good time and we were granted the visa 41 days later.

 

Were we sincere when we signed the ss agreement with WA? Absolutely! We made a commitment to WA as we had no intention of deliberately playing the system. After a while Perth started to look far more attractive than Brisbane! We started the job hunt straight away but it was a very hard slog. After many many applications and no real progress we started sending applications across Australia, even though we had already booked our flights to Perth. My husband had a phone interview for a job elsewhere in Australia, it went well and if he had been offered the job we would have strongly considered it. As it happened he got an interview and a job offer in Perth 2 days later.

 

So it has all worked out wonderfully for us, but if it hadn't I really don't think the WA government would thank us for travelling there only to sit around unemployed! That is not the point of the system. If they wanted to make it compulsory they would attach conditions to the visa. As it is I think people should make a genuine effort to go to the sponsoring state, and if they can't find work then go elsewhere.

 

Last comment - everyone says it is a moral obligation, this is not actually correct, or it least it is not as regards WA. If you apply for WA ss you have to sign a contract with WA, a term of which is that you will live in WA for 2 years. So if you do not do so you will not be in breach of your visa conditions but you will be in breach of your contract with WA and technically could be sued for breach of contract by WA. I'd imagine that this is very unlikely to happen and for a court to impose any sort of contractual damage liability on you WA would have to be able to demonstrate that your breach of contract caused the state a financial loss ....which when you think about it the state may be able to show (e.g. processing costs, loss of a different migrant who may have been offered the place). The only way you could defend a claim like this in court would be to prove that you had searched very hard for work and been unable to find it thus demonstrating that you would have been a cost for WA and not a benefit. So in summary I would take the commitment seriously, but not to ridiculous lengths!

 

Kate.

[Chardy]

My sentiments exactl, with good reason then you have to do it.

We originally looked at SA too but the waiting times (and eventually the early closing) meant we wouldn't get our visa app in before 1st July so we applied for WA instead.

Very glad we did now as have found a cousin in Perth !

I didn't realise our WA agreement was so serious though !

[bensdad]

i agree unless circumstances prevent, i have ss for wa and thats where im going, however my friends have ss for qld, they have been out validated etc he is a carpenter tried to get his license but was to imtimidated to do the management course so came home regathered and now they are going to give perth a go, phoned diac who said he can do this, but they said be courteous and let qld know. in these cases i think its bona fide, but i believe a system should be bought in to stop state hopping willy nilly!

[Lenore]

It does give you PR, but it also only lasts in itself for 5 years. After that, you have the right to remain in Aus permanently (ie the PR bit) but if you want to leave Aus for any reason (for eg a holiday) then you either need to apply for a Resident return visa (ie a bit of paper so they let you back in) or apply for citizenship and an Aussie passport. Its just red tape at the end of the day, but that's how the modern world works. If you are coming from the UK you would have dual citizenship with GB and Aus if you decided to take up citizenship, so might as well imho.

 

That thing that you can stay permanently, but it's trouble to get out and back sounds a bit like... prison, doesn't it? :wink:

 

I'd also like to mention that going for SS and moving states is equally 'fair' as going for Australian permanent visa and returning to the UK after 6 months or a year... Sorry, but this is how I perceive it.

[Guest pickle67]

I actually groaned when I saw this status because I knew there would be a backlash of "morally wrong" screaming in the back ground. DIAC have messed a lot of people around over the years, moving the goalposts continually. I applied for a visa way back in 07,everything was running smoothly we went for our medicals and police checks as requested by our case officer, that's when everything changed, our agent went under and DIAC emailed to tell me that as my job was no longer on the sol list I would have to sit tight and wait.... our medicals expired as well as our police checks, still no news so I applied for ss to SA, but my brothers also had applied for visas and are now living the dream in Queensland, the place we all originally wanted to live so I have decided that's where my family and I are heading, while there is a loop hole in the system I intend to jump straight in to it and start living the dream in the place I wanted to settle before DIAC made it near by impossible to achieve. So morally wrong or not that what i intend to do and i don't feel the slightest bit of guilt from it.

[jackal]

All this talk of not getting citizenship and having visas cancelled is a load of rubbish ,scare mongering from people who take the moral high ground , you dont hear posts on here about people who are dogging it out having a crappy time in a place they dont like because.......yes you got it ....YOU DONT HAVE TO WHOOP WHOOP . You are well within your rights to live anywhere in oz on a 176 visa end of story !!!! If you dont like the state your sponsored by 10 mins after landing you can move quite legally without tellling anyone or justifying your actions to ANYONE . I left Perth for sydney before my 2 years were up and havent looked back , I found the place boring and backwards and so there was no point killing time for 2 years when it wasnt compulsry. Im now 1 year away from citizenship , have left the country 4 times and the DIAC know exactly where i live !!! There are visas that mean you must stay in a place for 2 years such as regonal one but fortunatly for myself and thousands and thousands of others 176 has no such stipulations xxx

[_shel]

Is that right lol

 

http://www.migration.sa.gov.au/sa/immigrate_from_overseas/visa_options/gen_skill3/important_information_gsm.jsp

 

Revocation of Sponsorship

 

Sponsorship applications that have been approved may be revoked or withdrawn if it is discovered that the documents or information supporting the application have been forged, fraudulent, dishonest or deliberately inaccurate. Advice will be sent to DIAC to withdraw the application which may result in a decision to refuse or cancel the visa.

 

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/migration-fraud/document-fraud.htm

 

 

"It is a serious offence to misrepresent yourself, or one of your family members when making an application for an Australian visa. This includes making false or misleading statements, or submitting false information or false documents with your application."

 

 

Applying for sponsorship, filling in & signing documents and making a false statement about your reasons and intent to live in a particular state with the full knowledge you have no intention of ever living there would cover this wouldnt it?

 

Obviously wouldnt apply to those that did intend to but couldnt find work etc.

 

Small steps to close the loopholes that exist which I assume they'll tighten further over time so the sponsorship process meets the countries needs of actually filling skills gaps where they need them to instead of flooding the market where not needed/wanted.

[Lenore]

There's another aspect of that.

Let's say someone gets state sponsored and honestly tries to get a job there in their nominated/sponsored occupation. And can't find a job. Don't you think responsibility for the failure may lie also in the State itself for bad planning, eg sponsoring too many professionals within one specialisation or, generally speaking, incorrect evaluation of local job market in general?

[Guest davegrohl]

So ewhat is the end result? Can I live in other state while having state SS of another one?

[Chardy]

So ewhat is the end result? Can I live in other state while having state SS of another one?

 

You can but personally I wouldn't unless I'd exhausted all other options in the state I'm sponsored by.

[Cadas]

These threads seem to crop up so regularly and always end up in the same place, the "moralist's" shouting doom and gloom and quoting immigration guidelines totally out of context to back up their argument.

 

I really don't understand why people are so bitter about others making the move to Oz and come up with the pontification, sniping, ill informed nonsense that they do. i seen on other forums suggestions that people should commute interstate for two years. Barking!

 

I speak with some experience here. Having applied and got ACT sponsorship, i spent 4 months looking for work offshore. Then i took the plunge and flew down. After 4 weeks in, Canberra not one interview. Got a very good job offer in sydney within 48 hrs, but turned it down thinking i should give chosen city a chance. 4 weeks later i accepted Sydney job as i hadn't even got an interview elsewhere.

 

Now here's the thing. I needed a sticker in my passport as everyone does in NSW and so went to immigration here in Sydney. The immigration officer and i had a really nice chat about state sponsorship. She didn't give a toss, was happy I'd found a job and wished me luck. We then chatted about family, the job market, how i found the process, etc.

 

So please, those " banging the moral drum" give it a rest. There is no, not one, instance of anyone being sanctioned for moving state, it is simply pettymindedness with a generous dose of envy for many.

[Chardy]

These threads seem to crop up so regularly and always end up in the same place, the "moralist's" shouting doom and gloom and quoting immigration guidelines totally out of context to back up their argument.

 

I really don't understand why people are so bitter about others making the move to Oz and come up with the pontification, sniping, ill informed nonsense that they do. i seen on other forums suggestions that people should commute interstate for two years. Barking!

 

I speak with some experience here. Having applied and got ACT sponsorship, i spent 4 months looking for work offshore. Then i took the plunge and flew down. After 4 weeks in, Canberra not one interview. Got a very good job offer in sydney within 48 hrs, but turned it down thinking i should give chosen city a chance. 4 weeks later i accepted Sydney job as i hadn't even got an interview elsewhere.

 

Now here's the thing. I needed a sticker in my passport as everyone does in NSW and so went to immigration here in Sydney. The immigration officer and i had a really nice chat about state sponsorship. She didn't give a toss, was happy I'd found a job and wished me luck. We then chatted about family, the job market, how i found the process, etc.

 

So please, those " banging the moral drum" give it a rest. There is no, not one, instance of anyone being sanctioned for moving state, it is simply pettymindedness with a generous dose of envy for many.

 

I will stand by my moral stance as "your" ACT place has still been "used up" maybe stopping someone else making the move, however your case (which I hope is not too common) is the ideal example of how the system can fail :sad:

I will try lining up a job before I get there and really want to go to Perth, but I have a family to support, so if I get a good job offer elsewhere I would have to consider it despite my SS. I will do almost anything before giving up on WA, empty bins, clean loos etc............:err:

There are always exceptions but it all needs careful consideration before taking the easy way out.:wink:

[Freckleface]

Chardy - Good on you and the others who are like you. As an Australian (born and bred) I can tell you we wish more people trying to come and live here understood that we place a high value on personal integrity.

[Cadas]

I will stand by my moral stance as "your" ACT place has still been "used up" maybe stopping someone else making the move, however your case (which I hope is not too common) is the ideal example of how the system can fail :sad:

I will try lining up a job before I get there and really want to go to Perth, but I have a family to support, so if I get a good job offer elsewhere I would have to consider it despite my SS. I will do almost anything before giving up on WA, empty bins, clean loos etc............:err:

There are always exceptions but it all needs careful consideration before taking the easy way out.:wink:

 

Here we go again. The OP question was "can you move state", the answer is yes. There is nothing stopping you. DIAC, when i discussed it with them were not the slightest bit bothered.

 

Sponsorship is a two way street, if ACT offered up a place it is because they genuinely think that a need exists for your skill. If that proves not to be the case what are people supposed to do?

 

Although australia is doing ok by global standards, job seeking is still very hard work and in my industry, recruitment is very slow so you have to take the job where you find it. The idea that you can flip burgers and survive here with a family whilst trying to set up to live in a new country is optimistic at best, unless you arrive with 50-60k in the bank, but that goes very quickly.

[Dono]

I have applied for and been accepted for WA SS. It is valid for 3 months - I'm also going to apply for NSW SS as that would probably be my first choice. If NSW rejects me, then I will apply with the WA SS, HOWEVER, I will go and give Perth a fair go for at least two years. I think it's only fair.

 

And if you have no intention of even going to the sponsoring state, I don't think it's right to apply for a visa for Australia using the state sponsorship. It's just a personal belief.

[Guest]

Mod moment

 

So, the OP's question has been asked and answered. Ages back. And the more recent one by davegrohl been answered also now I noticed.

 

And now here we are back to going round and round in circles on the old morals ground and those who don't give a flying fig about it. And whoever else is sitting in between.

 

People are just flapping round and getting nowhere with this state hopping argument as I doubt the two sides will ever agree. So, lets agree to disagree and move on perhaps

 

Thanks

[Guest dmcevilly]

I have just submitted my State Sponsorship Application to SA and do intend to stay in Adelaide but other states are appealing purely because the level of jobs available for my occupation (Bank Manager) in the likes of Melbourne or Sydney is huge compared to SA. I get email updates daily on new vacancies from VIC and NSW but only twice monthly from SA. Seems madness SA say my occupation is Highly Available and desired in the state. And before you ask VIC or NSW do not have my occupation on their lists and I need state sponsorship as my occupation is not on the SOL 2011. Don't like to wish my life away but hope these 2 years go quickly!

[PositivePixie]

Adelaide is NOT SA - it is the capital of that state, but it is NOT the entire state, and if you have SA SS you DO NOT have to go to/stay in Adelaide.

 

Sorry, don't know why it annoys me but its does - it seems every other state people talk about the state, but SA they talk only about Adelaide.

 

dmcevilly - I would wager that's because both Sydney and Melbourne have populations over 4 million people, whereas Adelaide only has around 1.2 million. A lot less people = a lot less jobs = a lot less job turnover. Jobs twice a month sounds perfectly reasonable that they are in demand - if there were never any jobs (either advertised or actually available), or were going to be in the near future (its as much as predicting near future vacancies as it is current vacancies) then it would become head scratchy imho.

[Guest dmcevilly]

Unfortunately people's desire to live in Adelaide maybe the fact SA immigration website highly advertise Adelaide giving not much column space to other areas of the state. For a novice like myself who has not been to the state before, I can't help but be persuaded Adelaide is the place to be. In addition, my email alerts cover the whole of SA and the only jobs that come up are in Adelaide and looking back on a few recent emails their positively discriminatory asking for "Greek Speakers Only". Not only that, I have spoken to a number of HR managers and consultants within Banking in SA and they ALL say head for NSW and VIC as they are baffled to why SA believe there is a skill shortage for over 4 years now for Bank Managers. Don't want to be thinking about the possibility of state hopping but can't put my life on hold just in the hope I'll move to SA and be going for a position every few weeks in SA that 20-30 other candidates are applying for. On a lighter note - I've just signed up for Greek Lessons! :laugh:

[seraphim]

What happens if you apply for SS (as your occupation is on the list and preseumably ther are jobs that need filling) only to find that the job market by the time vias's are granted has shifted?) I am now looking at WA as it seems nice and my occupationo is on the SS list, but there are an awful lot more jobs on the east coast for some reason that aren't being filled despite my occ not being on NSW or QLD's SS list. Is it because WA is trying to create an industry in a particular area?

 

What would happen if I flew in ready to live in WA but the only place that landed me a job was uncommutable, even by FIFO, such as east coast? Would it affect my citizenship after 4 years? I'd quite psyched myself up to live wherever in Oz as long as it gave us opportunities but also have to think about putting fod on the table (which I hear isn't cheap, either for food or tables!).

 

 

FYI, not trying to annoy those who think it's a moral outrage but i'm always trying to plan to avoid such situations as having to repeatedly move, would like to just settle and try it out for a few years, but at the same time, don't want to put a burden on the Oz state if I can't find work, something of a conundrum!

[Akshay7]

Hello All! I have just joined this group.

I have few questions, if anybody willing to help, that would be great.

 

As on today, I am scoring 55 points. I have my evaluation from Engineers Australia back in June 2009 but due to some family reasons, I dropped the idea of filing application for visa. Now the things are on track and I am ready to file for State Sponsorship (SS), 190 visa.

I have been evaluated as an Industrial Engineer. My question is: Evaluation of Engineers Australia is still valid (After 2 years) or do I have to get new evaluation?

 

 

I have Bachelors of Engineering Degree from India and Master of Science in Industrial Engineering from USA. I have worked in USA and Oman.

I am Base SAS certified Programmer, ISO 9001:2008, ISO 14001:2004 and OHSAS 18001:2007 certified internal auditor.

 

Does these qualifications and international exposure counts in getting SS with 55 points.

 

It is very hard to see that DIAC don't give extra points for Masters Degree.

 

Also, please give me suggestions on how to crack all 7.0 in IELTS (General). I have written General Module three time and in all attempts, got down by writing section. In each attempt, I scored 7.0 in rest three sections. Last score is L-9.0 R-7.0 W-6.5 S-7.0

 

 

All your comments are reall appreciated.

 

Regards.

[djavi]

Hey mate,

 

I have recently got PR under 190(earlier used to be 176) sponsored from WA. Landed here on Dec21. As you quoted in your post, this place is boring and backwards. I m finding really hard to find a proper job here in Perth. I m getting calls from Melbourne, whereas no call from Perth. Transport system is not that good enough. I just wanted to know whether you have registered upon your arrival in perth!!! Do I need to give a request to WA govt to release me from their state? What exactly you did when you have relocated to Sydney?

 

Would appreciate your kind reply against my above queries.

 

Thanks

Avi

[djavi]

All this talk of not getting citizenship and having visas cancelled is a load of rubbish ,scare mongering from people who take the moral high ground , you dont hear posts on here about people who are dogging it out having a crappy time in a place they dont like because.......yes you got it ....YOU DONT HAVE TO WHOOP WHOOP . You are well within your rights to live anywhere in oz on a 176 visa end of story !!!! If you dont like the state your sponsored by 10 mins after landing you can move quite legally without tellling anyone or justifying your actions to ANYONE . I left Perth for sydney before my 2 years were up and havent looked back , I found the place boring and backwards and so there was no point killing time for 2 years when it wasnt compulsry. Im now 1 year away from citizenship , have left the country 4 times and the DIAC know exactly where i live !!! There are visas that mean you must stay in a place for 2 years such as regonal one but fortunatly for myself and thousands and thousands of others 176 has no such stipulations xxx

 

Hey mate,

 

I have recently got PR under 190(earlier used to be 176) sponsored from WA. Landed here on Dec21. As you quoted in your post, this place is boring and backwards. I m finding really hard to find a proper job here in Perth. I m getting calls from Melbourne, whereas no call from Perth. Transport system is not that good enough. I just wanted to know whether you have registered upon your arrival in perth!!! Do I need to give a request to WA govt to release me from their state? What exactly you did when you have relocated to Sydney?

 

Would appreciate your kind reply against my above queries.

 

Thanks

Avi

[Guest]

Maybe it's useful to remember that a 176 only lasts 5 years. Then you have to request a RRV or maybe the citizenship.

I would not risk an unglorious come-back to europe for having not even tried to settle in the sponsor state.

 

There a very limited legal circumstances where your 176 PR visa would be revoked i.e being involved in acts of terrorism, international war crimes, genocide or a string of Child sex offences perhaps !!

 

But your state government would have very little say in the matter.

[djavi]

There a very limited legal circumstances where your 176 PR visa would be revoked i.e being involved in acts of terrorism, international war crimes, genocide or a string of Child sex offences perhaps !!

 

But your state government would have very little say in the matter.

 

will there be any issue in future if someone move to other state having SS from WA?