Ozmaniac Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Cazhoney has specific situation with his occupation, regarding ASCO and ANZSCO codes. He isn't changing occupation, just solving differences between titles and codes... I asked because there are large numbers of applicants in an apparently identical situation where their occupation when they applied was on the CSL - not just the SOL, but the CSL! I mean the IT people who were assessed as having a CSL IT specialty and have now been left out in the cold because the ASCO (2231-79 Computing Professionals nec) code was mapped to a non-SOL ANZSCO code (261314 or 261399). I haven't seen anywhere that they are going to be allowed to get a new assessment and change their occupation on an existing application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Gilfillan Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 hi folks, sorry to ask ,as i know all the info is on this site somewhere but its so confusing but is there any news about these smp things yet or an estimated date been released all the waiting around is driving me insane lol please dont shout at me for not reading the million and one threads on here :eek: Hi alanakko, No word as to when the SMP's will be released. I think we will have a clearer picture once the election is out of the way. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenore Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I asked because there are large numbers of applicants in an apparently identical situation where their occupation when they applied was on the CSL - not just the SOL, but the CSL! I mean the IT people who were assessed as having a CSL IT specialty and have now been left out in the cold because the ASCO (2231-79 Computing Professionals nec) code was mapped to a non-SOL ANZSCO code (261314 or 261399). I haven't seen anywhere that they are going to be allowed to get a new assessment and change their occupation on an existing application. I really feel sorry for them - we ALMOST sent our visa application with -79 code. It's totally unfair they put decent software specialists into category NEC. Maybe all those applicants should make complaints because the mapping is definitely incorrect. You can't map eg Java Programmer to Tester or just NEC, it's ridiculous (also from CSL to Schedule 4 - it's a serious downgrading). So far we are not getting a new ACS assessment, because we are waiting for SMPs. Again situation is ridiculous - from what we saw, one state may want eg Java programmer with 261312, another one also Java but with code 261313 and another state same specialist, but with code 261311. All those codes have quite similar job descriptions. Additionally each state may want different length of experience and/or higher IELTS. There are not many states, so imagine having so many criteria to fulfill... We just decided we won't be guessing which code to go for and we'll wait for SMPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazhoney Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I have a specific situation. My occupation wans´t on the CSL, neither MODL. I am having trouble with my old ASCO code, which will not convert automatically to ANZSCO code. This is what DIAC told me: This transitional arrangement is only available to clients who have had their skilled occupations assessed by Engineers Australia under the ASCO code 2129-79 Building and Engineering Professionals (not elsewhere classified) before 1 July 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Tanjev Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 All the IT guys here are crying its xxxxxxxxxxxxxx me off!!! Whats about the tradies? There applications are like rollercoasters not only once but your guys blame other IT occupations. Im java specialist and i know much more then the sap specialists why they are and we are not............................. blablabla. Be happy that its allowed t move SOMEHOW to australia but stop crying! Im not better then an electician or a plumber and im happy FOR EVERYBODY who recieve their visa without ennvy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazmayo Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Have they not formed a new government yet? any news. Here waiting on the SMP for Perth!! cheers cazmayo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenore Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Tanjev wrote: All the IT guys here are crying its xxxxxxxxxxxxxx me off!!! Whats about the tradies? There applications are like rollercoasters not only once but your guys blame other IT occupations. Sorry, Tanjev, but how can we blame "other IT occupations"? We can only blame those institutions who are responsible for weird mapping or other decisions that put thousands of people in a number of really nasty situations. As for the tradies - I don't have a clue what is happening to them, why would I write posts in their name? I can only say I'm very sorry for them if they have a "rollercoaster", because I understand them. Im java specialist and i know much more then the sap specialists why they are and we are not............................. blablabla. Nobody said they know more, and if you are referring to my statement about programmers put to the same category as testers, then you should know I am a tester myself and I know it's a TOTALLY different job. Also I understand that this can be on Schedule 4 and don't mind it. The point is that really needed and good professionals of -79 code were downgraded from CSL to Schedule 4 and put in a totally wrong category. Be happy that its allowed t move SOMEHOW to australia but stop crying! Well, at the moment many people are "crying" and there are plenty of bitter threads on this forum - it just reflects the Oz visa situation. And yes, we can move "somehow", but, in spite of visas suspension being lifted by DIAC, we are still waiting for SMPs and new priorities and God knows what else they invent. Unless, by "somehow" you mean a dinghy boat , then it seems more feasible to move this way Im not better then an electician or a plumber and im happy FOR EVERYBODY who recieve their visa without ennvy them. People on this forum are VERY supportive, can you give any examples of anybody being envious or not happy for others getting their visas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest foha2012 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I really feel sorry for them - we ALMOST sent our visa application with -79 code. It's totally unfair they put decent software specialists into category NEC. Maybe all those applicants should make complaints because the mapping is definitely incorrect. You can't map eg Java Programmer to Tester or just NEC, it's ridiculous (also from CSL to Schedule 4 - it's a serious downgrading). So far we are not getting a new ACS assessment, because we are waiting for SMPs. Again situation is ridiculous - from what we saw, one state may want eg Java programmer with 261312, another one also Java but with code 261313 and another state same specialist, but with code 261311. All those codes have quite similar job descriptions. Additionally each state may want different length of experience and/or higher IELTS. There are not many states, so imagine having so many criteria to fulfill... We just decided we won't be guessing which code to go for and we'll wait for SMPs. Lenore, We are in the same 2231-79 situation. We were about click on "submit" when all the "know all migration agents" were yelling "go for it !, new SOL is coming, its your last change, submit before midnight" etc... Remember ?. Had we submitted then, we would have been left high and dry. I feel sorry for those who rushed and submitted! :nah: No offense to all those migration agents, but I spoke what I felt like and I am sure many will agree. So, for us, its SMPs, we are waiting for the picture to become more clear. Cheers, TAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Lombard Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 Talking to the states today and thinking what sort of government we might get eventually, I get the feeling that the SMPs are going to take even longer - one state seems to think that it might not be resolved until March next year if at all. I'm hoping this is meritless pessimism but also worth considering for those waiting for Schedule 4 to kick in. In many cases the onshore students are going to have an easier ride than offshore applicants. Cheers, George Lombard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilfillan Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Thanks for making my Day George. You have cheered me up no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest foha2012 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Thanks for making my Day George. You have cheered me up no end. LOL !! Now ** YOU ** have cheered me up no end !:arghh: Cheers, TAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilfillan Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Hi Foha2012, Whenever things are going along swimmingly, you can always trust some people on here to lower the mood. The bringers of doom are amongst us. I just keep smiling and laughing in the face of adversity. Cheers Foha2012, Glad I made you laugh. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenore Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 foha2012 Well, I don't envy Migration Agents at the moment, as they have many situations where something is about to happen, but not for sure, and they have to provide specific information and pick the best strategy for their clients, mostly under time pressure. And from what I see Australian side is messy and irresponsible (Oops, surprisingly we've got election! or We'll make changes in June 2010, or no, let's suspend visas in May and not tell anyone about it! or Let's change job codes and not mention to assessment bodies, they will find out from applicants anyway!) and this gives the worst feature we can get - they're UNPREDICTABLE. Also we have to bear in mind that there is human factor among migration agents. There is one agent on this forum I do not appreciate at all and one that I really respect, as he was able to predict many troubles (or was very well informed in advance) and shared his knowledge here. He was first to fear there would be trouble with IT -79 code even though nobody could see any problem with it at the time. But still, we have to have distance to what the agents say, as their judgement at the moment is based on very unstable ground (not their fault here) and - they're just humans... Sorry for being sarcastic about the changes - that's my mood now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenore Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Guys, don't shoot the messenger We will need him! Thank you George for your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtual_bajwa Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I'm hoping this is meritless pessimism but also worth considering for those waiting for Schedule 4 to kick in. Is it possible, George? If yes, time please(Speculate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilfillan Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 foha2012Well, I don't envy Migration Agents at the moment, as they have many situations where something is about to happen, but not for sure, and they have to provide specific information and pick the best strategy for their clients, mostly under time pressure. And from what I see Australian side is messy and irresponsible (Oops, surprisingly we've got election! or We'll make changes in June 2010, or no, let's suspend visas in May and not tell anyone about it! or Let's change job codes and not mention to assessment bodies, they will find out from applicants anyway!) and this gives the worst feature we can get - they're UNPREDICTABLE. Also we have to bear in mind that there is human factor among migration agents. There is one agent on this forum I do not appreciate at all and one that I really respect, as he was able to predict many troubles (or was very well informed in advance) and shared his knowledge here. He was first to fear there would be trouble with IT -79 code even though nobody could see any problem with it at the time. But still, we have to have distance to what the agents say, as their judgement at the moment is based on very unstable ground (not their fault here) and - they're just humans... Sorry for being sarcastic about the changes - that's my mood now... Hi Lenore, I agree with everything you have said above. Its only that the more SPECULATION people read on here, the more anxious and stressed some people become, so I think its better to say nothing rather than guess about what may or may not happen. Everyones mood is a little tetchy at the moment but we just have to keep our heads up. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenore Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 John, maybe we should make a thread: Australian Immigration jokes. I love black humour! - I'm still being sarcastic... As for people guessing - many threads started evolving towards that, simply because of lack of information. OK, I'll try to be positive, although I find it difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest foha2012 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Lenore I agree with you somewhat. But, when you are a professional and a few comments from you trigger life changing decisions, you HAVE to know your game. I feel most of the Migration agents (except the one you mentioned), are here for client hunt, they break bad news just so in a way that a person who is about to do it on their own,thinks he has no chance. I remember one MA even changed his signature to "ACS RPL specialist" right after that ASCO ANZSO fiasco. So, here I am, doing it all my own because there are many many wonderful people here who give out sincere advice for free without any hidden agenda. Whats you say on this ? Cheers, TAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenore Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Lenore I agree with you somewhat. But, when you are a professional and a few comments from you trigger life changing decisions, you HAVE to know your game. I feel most of the Migration agents (except the one you mentioned), are here for client hunt, they break bad news just so in a way that a person who is about to do it on their own,thinks he has no chance. I remember one MA even changed his signature to "ACS RPL specialist" right after that ASCO ANZSO fiasco. So, here I am, doing it all my own because there are many many wonderful people here who give out sincere advice for free without any hidden agenda. Whats you say on this ? Cheers, TAA I didn't mention that aspect. I think you are right. But it depends on their personal (not even job) ethics whether Migration Agents exaggerate the bad news or not. In this matter I'm not that negative, but I agree - you have to be cautious. Besides, the situation now is weird: there is confusion, so people seek professional help to enhance their chances of getting a visa, BUT that help cannot be very reliable BECAUSE of the immigration confusion. Vicious circle. In short: I think at the moment agents don't know much more than we do. Right now I'm not going to use MA - if I start having problems with immigration I prefer to make my own mistakes than pay fortune for somebody else's. The element of lottery is too big now. And there are additional, future "lottery" factors, eg. I can go through SMP now, but something changes next year and I'm moved to low priority (like guys from CSL to Schedule 4) and can't blame myself nor the agent. Actually, if it's possible to send more than one visa application - wouldn't it be cheaper to send more apps than pay MA? If you send for different visa type it may enhance your chance even more than using the agent... :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest foha2012 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Lenore >>I think at the moment agents don't know much more than we do. Well said!. I agree with you completely. If the visa process was straightforward as it should have been, then any person who could use a computer would do it. But immigration process, especially that of Oz has become weird!. I started this visa hunt in Apr 2009 and so far I have been chasing timelines and dodging changes. Only a few months ago, I held a prized assessment - 2231-79 NeC with specialization! + CSL. Now, Its not even in the SOL!. My point is, you have to be quick to make decisions, opportunity has a very narrow window and once must avail it when one sees it. I wish you Good luck to you on your journey towards getting a visa, Meanwhile, I sit and wait for SMPs while I prepare my 2nd RPL report !. Cheers, TAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuching Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 have been miserable waiting for the SMP ... and today reading this news : Unemployment higher among skilled migrants does this news mean Australia doesn't need skill migrants for the skill shortage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrista Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Hi all, I received SA Sponsorship yesterday and it should be SS, not SMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest agnes Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Hi Madrista Congratulation on your SA state sponsorship. Can you share what is stated in your sponsorship, it states that your SS is not for SMP ? But the nurses are getting thier SA SS now, i believe their SS is in SMP as nurses are very in demand by all states. What is your nominated occupation? BTW, did you receive their email from SA on 11 August or after that. As for me i didnt receive their email so i will not be considered for SS. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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