Changes to MODL - 8 Feb 2010

[B1K3R]

I'm ASCO Code 2211-11 (Accountant) and I'm on CSL as I have proficient IELTS result.

 

I applied in mid of Janurary 2010. And I also got MODL points.. totalling my points to 140.

 

Now, will I not get MODL points anymore since I have already applied? Or will I continue to be assessed as getting 140 points?

 

Hi,

 

I guess you are safe as the quote below shows...

 

Outcomes of the Migration Occupation in Demand List Review – Frequently Asked Questions

 

Q 5 What is the impact of revoking the MODL on

applications that have been lodged and are awaiting a

decision?

 

None. Applicants who lodged a GSM application before

8 February 2010 will not be affected by the revocation of

the MODL.

 

 

Cheers

B!K3R

[Guest alixir]

Same here biker, feel sorry for the others who suffered the whiplash, but I guess australia know who they want, they just shift the nets accordingly....I'm looking at a 175 visa and am currently waiting until the end of the month to get ACS assessment back and checked the SOL and my 2231-79 is still up there, still 36, UK Passport holder (I was born and have lived here all my life) and have done 8 years in IT (MCITP)...do I just still go ahead and apply in March or wait a while? My Australian girlfriend in Adelaide texted me the Visa changes this morning which is how I mainly found out...When I last phoned the Aussie Embassy in London in November, they said they were'nt looking at processing any new 175 Visa Applications until 2012? I don't know how true that is though! Still trying to find the information on IELTS and seem to remember that if you're a UK born and bred individual, that IELTS doesn't apply??

[Guest alixir]

Oh and the other annoying thing....I like the way how Americans can just pay a few dollars and get to live and work in Australia without needing to apply the same way any other country does (due to an agreement between both countries).....funny that for a country that had English origins!

[McKlaut]

It is going to take an amendment to the Migration Act to effect this. With the "Cap and Kill" being such a Draconian power, hopefully the Minister will take the smoother pathway of just amending the "Cap and Queue" power to include differentiation by Nominated Occupation.

 

Regards

 

 

Tony Coates

Thanks Tony for your opinion.

 

I too hope that the minister isn't a complete monster. "Cap and Queue" is a much better option afterall.

[B1K3R]

I'm looking at a 175 visa and am currently waiting until the end of the month to get ACS assessment back and checked the SOL and my 2231-79 is still up there, still 36, UK Passport holder (I was born and have lived here all my life) and have done 8 years in IT (MCITP)...do I just still go ahead and apply in March or wait a while?

 

I don't know about this dude, guess a migration agent would give you a better answer :smile:

 

When I last phoned the Aussie Embassy in London in November, they said they were'nt looking at processing any new 175 Visa Applications until 2012? I don't know how true that is though!

 

As far as know know, 175 on CSL should be under 12 months (priority category 4) while those 175 NON CSL, yes, until 2012 I think.

 

Still trying to find the information on IELTS and seem to remember that if you're a UK born and bred individual, that IELTS doesn't apply??

 

If you have a UK passport, then you get 15 points automatically. If you do the IELTS test and get a passmark of 7 or more on each of the four (4) components – speaking, reading, listening and writing you get 25 points.

 

Below is from IMMI site:

 

Proficient: 25 points

 

You must provide one of the following:

 

- IELTS Test Report Form (TRF) Number to show you have a band score of at least seven

(7) on each of the four (4) components – speaking, reading, listening and writing

or

- evidence of having achieved a score of `B´ or higher on each of the four (4) components

of the OET Test.

 

Competent: 15 points

 

You must provide one of the following:

 

- Evidence that you hold an eligible passport

- IELTS TRF Number to show you have a band score of at least six (6) on each of the four

(4) components – speaking, reading, listening and writing.

 

Cheers

B!k3R

[Guest alixir]

Little rock in the Med eh? Nice...Gibraltar? Malta? Got to be warmer out there than the snowy conditions we're getting back here at the moment? Cheers for the information by the way =] On reading it, I jumped over to this page:

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/critical-skills-list.pdf

 

Listed down the very bottom of the CSL is this line that I totally missed before:

 

 

Computing Professionals -- where the applicant's specialisation is listed on the Migration Occupations in Demand List (MODL).

 

 

 

Does anybody think it's worth me going for the extra IELTS points? Will that speed anything up, I'll be up at 120 points anyway....

And I'm going in under Networking and Internet Security (2231-79) which is still on the MODL, hope I haven't read this incorrectly!

[libbysmum]

Little rock in the Med eh? Nice...Gibraltar? Malta? Got to be warmer out there than the snowy conditions we're getting back here at the moment? Cheers for the information by the way =] On reading it, I jumped over to this page:

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/critical-skills-list.pdf

 

Listed down the very bottom of the CSL is this line that I totally missed before:

 

 

Computing Professionals -- where the applicant's specialisation is listed on the Migration Occupations in Demand List (MODL).

 

 

 

Does anybody think it's worth me going for the extra IELTS points? Will that speed anything up, I'll be up at 120 points anyway....

And I'm going in under Networking and Internet Security (2231-79) which is still on the MODL, hope I haven't read this incorrectly!

 

 

Hmm, this might be an issue, because the MODl has been discontinued, are those computing proffesionals who are on the CSL purely because their specialisations are on the MODL now deemed as being off the CSL?? :wacko:

[Guest nitsy]

Whew!!! Lots going on within a day... Its nice to have such a helpful forum & people like Gill, George L, Suz have been at the forefront trying to help clear everyones doubt. Thanks for all your efforts & we do really appreciate it.

 

Also good to see that Virtual B is now getting positive news, hope all is in your favour mate!! Not sure of whats in store for family sponsored gang, looks like we are still stuck at no 6 and would not be looked into untill 2012!!

 

Good work all..Thanks again.

nitsy

[B1K3R]

Little rock in the Med eh? Nice...Gibraltar? Malta? Got to be warmer out there than the snowy conditions we're getting back here at the moment? Cheers for the information by the way =] On reading it, I jumped over to this page:

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/critical-skills-list.pdf

 

Listed down the very bottom of the CSL is this line that I totally missed before:

 

 

Computing Professionals -- where the applicant's specialisation is listed on the Migration Occupations in Demand List (MODL).

 

 

 

Does anybody think it's worth me going for the extra IELTS points? Will that speed anything up, I'll be up at 120 points anyway....

And I'm going in under Networking and Internet Security (2231-79) which is still on the MODL, hope I haven't read this incorrectly!

 

It's Malta...and its bloomingly hot in summer :wink: Quite fresh at the moment but we get many sunny moments.

 

I think in your case (please I am no expert, but from what I read so could be wrong), if you apply now, you'll loose the 15 points on the MODL.

 

So, with no Australian work experience, Australian qualifications, Community Language, Regional Australia study, Partner skills and with IELTS test you'll get 115. Also assuming you are 36 years old (so 20 points)

 

Have you done the point test again? Below is my example for you.

 

[Guest alixir]

Hmm, this might be an issue, because the MODl has been discontinued, are those computing proffesionals who are on the CSL purely because their specialisations are on the MODL now deemed as being off the CSL?? :wacko:

Another translation of the CSL list may be that there are many IT specialisms and they bulked them all together with the statement at the bottom of the CSL list? I have an email going out to a Migration Agent to see if this is the case...but that is clearly what that list states. Whether MODL exists or not, that statement seems to link to the MODL form...

[Guest jennyloh]

I have a strong feeling that those who falls under cat 6 & 7, it may end-up like applications made before 1 September 2007. By the time DIAC started to process this 2 categories, the number of visas may be all taken up. Then we wait for new fiscal year to begin, and when it continues every year the same, our application will be more than 3 years by then which is over the expected time given, and DIAC will not need us anymore I falls on cat 6 (i), lodged March 2008.

[Guest wobob]

Hmm, this might be an issue, because the MODl has been discontinued, are those computing proffesionals who are on the CSL purely because their specialisations are on the MODL now deemed as being off the CSL?? :wacko:

 

The FAQ (Q20) addresses this issue - it specifically states that Computing Professionals on the MODL/CSL will received Cat 4 processing :v_SPIN:

 

Q 20 I am a computing professional with a specialisation on the Migration Occupation in Demand List, how am I affected?

Only computing professionals who have a specialisation listed on the Migration Occupation in Demand List are eligible for priority processing in the order outlined at question two, that is, they receive the fourth highest priority.

More information is available from the Migration Occupations in Demand List information sheet.

[carlosK]

I'm confused by the whole thing!!

[Welshtone]

Hi Alixir

 

If you get the Security Classification from ACS, look at applying for the 175 visa straight away as you probably score 105 points so will need State Sponsorship whether you do IELTS (115) or not. The specialisation is on South Australia's list so they should sponsor you and then yo ucan change your visa to get processed as a 176 with CSL priority. If it looks like your visa may not be granted before the CSL is scrapped, you can look at what is involved in South Australia sponsoring you under the State Plan, when that comes in.

 

Regards

 

 

Tony Coates

[Guest rachbarlow]

I appreciate everything everyone has written........ but I am still no clearer and don't think we will be until this new state migration list is out. :cry:

[Guest alixir]

It's Malta...and its bloomingly hot in summer :wink: Quite fresh at the moment but we get many sunny moments.

 

I think in your case (please I am no expert, but from what I read so could be wrong), if you apply now, you'll loose the 15 points on the MODL.

 

So, with no Australian work experience, Australian qualifications, Community Language, Regional Australia study, Partner skills and with IELTS test you'll get 115. Also assuming you are 36 years old (so 20 points)

 

Have you done the point test again? Below is my example for you.

 

Yep, cheers dude, was looking all over the DIAC site for the points test, still looking! The ACS assessment is assessing my Microsoft MCITP trade certification which is considered as being level with an Australian Computing degree (which is a lot easier!)....

[Welshtone]

Hi Jenny

 

I don't think so - In my 24 years in the Migration Industry the cap and kill was only ever used once, and that was for Working Holiday visas. It is a very blunt instrument and the only reason DIAC could even consider using it for the skilled visas is that the visa subclasses all changed on 01 September 2007 - but the power is there to do what you have suggested.

 

Regards

 

 

Tony Coates

[Guest jennyloh]

Hi Jenny

 

I don't think so - In my 24 years in the Migration Industry the cap and kill was only ever used once, and that was for Working Holiday visas. It is a very blunt instrument and the only reason DIAC could even consider using it for the skilled visas is that the visa subclasses all changed on 01 September 2007 - but the power is there to do what you have suggested.

 

Regards

 

 

Tony Coates

Dear Tony Coates,

 

Yours words comfort me. Thanks. I am so close to those affected applicants. Just hope for the best in future..

[matjones]

Oh and the other annoying thing....I like the way how Americans can just pay a few dollars and get to live and work in Australia without needing to apply the same way any other country does (due to an agreement between both countries).....funny that for a country that had English origins!

 

well, you make it sounds so easy.... I can't seem to find any info on this, although I recall there is the E-3 visa that allows AU residents to work in US if they have a sponsor. I just can't find the US to AU equivalent anywhere. Maybe you can refresh my memory. For sure though, if it exists, it makes it no easier for those seeking PR.

[Guest Gollywobbler]

Hi All

 

Frankly, I am completely confused by the whole thing as well.

 

According to one of the Questions. the MODL continues to exist IF either:

 

(a) you are an onshore applicant for holder of..... blah blah; AND/OR

 

(b) you have made a valid visa application prior to 8th Feb 2010.

 

The "information" cobbled together by DIAC (complete with their ghastly mangling of the beautiful, ancient language of English by their completely iillterate splitting of the infinitive - which jars my nerves every time I see it) is a mess.

 

According to a different Question in the burble, the MODL will also continue to exist if you are an IT professional whose skill is on the CSL and is only on the CSL because of the MODL.....

 

For a start, the MODL has vanished for this group of IT people according to the other burble. If it is suddenly going to be resurrected after all - purely to protect the Minister's CSL - then:

 

1. The other burble should say 3 things and not 2; and

 

2. If the MODL applies to certain IT wizards after all then the MODL points that go with it must be awarded to them as well in my view.

 

The MODL either exists or it doesn't. It does not "half exist" in a way that rescues the CSL, but only because it rescues a large chunk of the CSL, it seems to me.

 

Cheers

 

Gill

[libbysmum]

I completely agree, a very confucing state of affairs for the computing professionals. DIAC should make it alot clearer for this group of visa applicants. If computing professionals of whatever sort are in "critical need" surely it wouldn't be that difficult just to make a revised CSL list in the interim before it is revoked, where they are actually listed rather than refered to by linking to another now obsolete list. This would ensure complete clarity for everyone concerned. At the moment you have to trawl through the masses of info under the whats new section to find the FAQ regarding this and in my opinion the statement is still confusing. It doesn't state if this applies to current or future visa applications.

[capetosydney]

For pre Feb 8th IT applicants MODL CSL link still stands, it is only new applicants that are left in a limbo.

And got to agree with you and Gill, DIAC's attention to detail and lack of proper care when drawing documents and announcements is atrocious.

[Ferrisian]

Hi New to the site and I apogise for my first post being a ask for help.

 

I have recently began to apply for GSM Visa, I am a whisker away from lodging my application, I recently passed my TRA Assessment for a Vehicle Body Maker 4215-11.

 

Does anybody know is this assessment is still valid.

[WAITINGGAME]

Hi All, !!

 

Email from my agent, thought i would let you see it,

 

I’m writing to you today to provide some initial advice and information regarding the Australian immigration changes announced by the Minister of Immigration, Senator Chris Evans, on 8 February, 2010.

IMPORTANT: AS YOU HAVE ALREADY LODGED A VALID VISA APPLICATION, THESE CHANGES WILL NOT HAVE A DIRECT NEGATIVE AFFECT ON YOU.

What are the changes?

Full details can be found on our website by clicking here, but the major changes of interest are follows:

· The Migration Occupations in Demand List (MODL) has been revoked, effective immediately.

As a result, all MODL points that were able to be claimed by having an occupation featured on this list are now no longer available (unless the applicant has already lodged).

· The Skilled Occupation List (SOL) is to be replaced mid-2010, at which time the Critical Skills List (CSL) will also be revoked.

At this time, the intention for the new SOL seems to be to have it act as a tool that determines both the occupations that Australia is in demand of and the order in which Australia visa applicants will be processed.

· The Australian visa points test used to assess skilled migrants will be reviewed;

A discussion paper on a review of the Australian GSM Points Test is currently being prepared, with a released date of 12 February, 2010.

· State Migration Plans are currently being agreed upon between the states and DIAC (Department of Immigration and Citizenship)

As yet there has been no guidance into what methodology will be applied or exactly when these plans will be implemented.

DIAC’s fact sheets on the changes can be accessed here.

Am I going to be affected by the changes?

As you have already lodged your visa application, you will almost certainly not be affected by these changes.

The only parts of the announcement that may have any bearing on your application are the State Migration Plans, the removal of the CSL and the points test review. We do not have enough information on these aspects at the moment to provide you with a concrete answer, but from the details provided so far, your application is still valid and these changes do not make a direct negative impact on your application.

What do I need to do now?

We will always notify you immediately of any updates or changes that will affect you or your application, so we would appreciate your patience during this difficult time.

Many thanks,

[Welshtone]

Hi Gill

 

The MODL was revoked today but a "new" MODL also came into effect. The "new" MODL has all the same occupations on it, including the IT specialisations, but only certain applicants, who apply after 07th February 2010, can now score the extra 15 points. The CSL has not changed and if you apply on or after 08 February 2010 and nominate an IT specialisation on MODL, you will get Priority processing for being on the CSL, eventhough you no longer score the 15 points for MODL. So the problem is achieving the pass-mark before you even look at what processing priority you have. All new CSL applicants should be applying for State sponsorship to achieve the passmark and/or to keep some processing priority in case their visa is not granted before the the CSL is abolished. When the State Plans come out, there may be some way of getting a current State Sponsorship changed to a State Plan Sponsorship, even if it means applying again for the State Sponsorship. I would think the States would be keen to re-issue any State Sponsorships under the new State Plan, where the occupation allows, so they can get the required skills quickly.

 

Regards

 

 

Tony Coates