Parley Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I'm glad you agree. Those ratbags obviously aren't as smart as us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I'm glad you agree.Those ratbags obviously aren't as smart as us. You..sir...should be a pollie. Slippery enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le petit roi Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) There is no right to protest against a fair democratic election.You are protesting that your fellow citizens voted differently to you. You should be smart enough to know there is no justification in protesting a fair election outcome. Unless you want a dictatorship[, you must accept the outcome of a fair election. Unlike areas like Sussex, Lancashire, etc, Scotland is a country within a Union with its own laws, parliament, etc.; it isn't a county or region of England. So how does democracy now work in Scotland when the Tories start implementing policies which were rejected by the overwhelming majority of the Scottish people? You can't talk about democracy and then ignore the voice of an entire country by implementing polices they rejected at the ballot box. Edited May 10, 2015 by le petit roi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Unlike areas like Sussex, Lancashire, etc, Scotland is a country within a Union with its own laws, parliament, etc.; it isn't a county or region of England. So how does democracy now work in Scotland when the Tories start implementing policies which were rejected by the overwhelming majority of the Scottish people? You can't talk about democracy and then ignore the voice of an entire country by implementing polices they rejected at the ballot box. Which policy ? I think Scotland is getting what was promised to them and quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm surprised anyone is surprised to be honest. As a Labour voter from way back I would have struggled to vote for them this time simply because Ed Milliband doesn't come across as leadership material. It's a pity they couldn't find someone better. The SNP were always going to do well in Scotland. If I was Scottish and lived there you would be daft to vote for anyone else. You know for a fact where their interest lies. The Conservatives have got through a pretty tough time following the GFC. They are a typical Conservative government though, so the working person had better join a Union and take care not to get shafted. Unfortunately with the strength of the economy the power is with the employer at the moment. Things have a way of evening out though and hopefully will swing back the other way eventually. Maybe the country needs a bit of continuity?:dull: I would have probably voted UKIP had I been there. Mostly because I have no faith in the current Labour party though and they need a shakeup. UKIP got a good portion of the vote but I have a feeling that's because a lot of Labour voters feel like I do, but there is no way they would go as far as to vote for the Conservatives. Just shows what a waste of time those polls are and what a waste of money it is employing people to do that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) I'm not. I accept it. Doesn't mean I have to like it though....and of course there is a right to protest an election outcome. You were slippery @HappyHeart editing to add that last point. I'm sure you don't really believe that. Surely we all agree with democracy and accepting the outcome of a fair election where everyone has voted. People who demonstrate against the outcome of an election are really beneath contempt. Demonstrating against policies of the government are one thing but lets agree to uphold what a democracy means and not demonstrate against what our country has voted for. Edited May 11, 2015 by parleycross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 You were slippery @HappyHeart editing to add that last point. I'm sure you don't really believe that. Surely we all agree with democracy and accepting the outcome of a fair election where everyone has voted. People who demonstrate against the outcome of an election are really beneath contempt. Demonstrating against policies of the government are one thing but lets agree to uphold what a democracy means and not demonstrate against what our country has voted for. Edited seconds after! You must have gone offline seconds after you rightly liked my post:) Of course it is not contemptuous to demonstrate against the outcome of an election. You do see that people are questioning the validity of the democracy don't you? What system can represent the views of all? None. Bound to be some unhappy voters out there..in great numbers from the public outcry demonstrated. Like already posted, democracy is an illusion. Like a lot of things in our modern society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest66881 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 You were slippery @HappyHeart editing to add that last point. I'm sure you don't really believe that. Surely we all agree with democracy and accepting the outcome of a fair election where everyone has voted. People who demonstrate against the outcome of an election are really beneath contempt. Demonstrating against policies of the government are one thing but lets agree to uphold what a democracy means and not demonstrate against what our country has voted for. Those who 'demonstrate' in that way are usually the dolers and college lay abouts who never actually vote anyway. Just out for the crack of causing mayhem one word SCUM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 By all mean protest against the actions of the Tory government. But don't protest because your fellow citizens voted Tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest66881 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Thinking about it Parley i can remember the same over worked under valued cries when Labour was in government in the uk, so no change there then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 By all mean protest against the actions of the Tory government. But don't protest because your fellow citizens voted Tory. Who says they were? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 So what are you saying HH. How should the election have been conducted ? Should we make Nicola Sturgeon PM ? What exactly are you suggesting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 So what are you saying HH.How should the election have been conducted ? Should we make Nicola Sturgeon PM ? What exactly are you suggesting ? I'm not suggesting anything? Why are you getting your knickers in a knot? I just don't think there is anything wrong with a PEACEFUL protest about anything really. That's called freedom of speech..or are you against that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I understand it can be hard to justify being a Tory. But really...don't get so defensive about it.....it takes all sorts to make a world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 As I said protesting against democracy, which is the basis of our society, is ridiculous unless you are asking for a dictatorship. If you don't understand that I won't keep going over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm not suggesting anything? Why are you getting your knickers in a knot? I just don't think there is anything wrong with a PEACEFUL protest about anything really. That's called freedom of speech..or are you against that too? Was there a peaceful protest in London at the same time as the violent one then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARYROSE02 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I understand it can be hard to justify being a Tory. But really...don't get so defensive about it.....it takes all sorts to make a world. I like being a Tory! If there was a democratic socialist party like Germany's SPD I would prob vote for them,.but never Labour/Labor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1Perth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 What - you mean the total joke that is the Australian voting system? A system that meant senators were elected with almost no votes? A system that is so dysfunctional that the government - the elected government - could not implement its budget? I think it's a good thing that the government didn't get to implement some of the extreme things they had in their budget. Nothing changed for a while, you didn't have to start paying to go to the docs but it didn't really break anything, it just made it harder for the government to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. It was democracy in action as far as I'm concerned. The government were elected, delivered on a few promises for a change but when it came to changing things via a budget that was opposed by so many, they weren't able to push it through simply, because they were in power, they have to negotiate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 As I said protesting against democracy, which is the basis of our society, is ridiculous unless you are asking for a dictatorship. If you don't understand that I won't keep going over it. I will agree to disagree with you as I can see you are becoming frustrated. An example of how easily concepts can go unacknowledged according to the agenda of the listener. You would do better to listen more Parley rather than assume and generate incorrect assumption about the other persons thought processes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I like being a Tory! If there was a democratic socialist party like Germany's SPD I would prob vote for them,.but never Labour/Labor. Good for you MR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Was there a peaceful protest in London at the same time as the violent one then? Another Parley statement...I made no mention of support for the violent protests. I support PEACEFUL protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I will agree to disagree with you as I can see you are becoming frustrated. An example of how easily concepts can go unacknowledged according to the agenda of the listener. You would do better to listen more Parley rather than assume and generate incorrect assumption about the other persons thought processes. Yes you are frustrating me today. I find it annoying when someone tries to undermine a whole election because their party lost. It happens a lot on here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHeart Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Yes you are frustrating me today.I find it annoying when someone tries to undermine a whole election because their party lost. It happens a lot on here though. Read the thread again. You are getting lost in your assumptions about what is being actually said because you are so pissed off. Go lie down for 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest66881 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Like religion, politics and the beliefs of always end up with personals:wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith and Linda Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 You were slippery @HappyHeart editing to add that last point. I'm sure you don't really believe that. Surely we all agree with democracy and accepting the outcome of a fair election where everyone has voted. People who demonstrate against the outcome of an election are really beneath contempt. Demonstrating against policies of the government are one thing but lets agree to uphold what a democracy means and not demonstrate against what our country has voted for. I am with you all the way on this one parley. Demonstrating against a fair election result is really, really stupid, this type of demonstration should be left until the next election - let the ballot box be your demonstration, democracy in action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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