Ohsohappy Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Finally convinced my husband to give Australia a go, so planning on applying for visa's later this year, however after reading some of the threads on here recently and news reports in Australian media it's making me think is Australia just about to enter what we have been going through since 2008. Do you guys think that's true and if so do you think it will be anywhere near as bad as what we are experiencing, or even worse? My husband keeps telling me I only see what is good in Australia so maybe just taking on a bit of his cynicism, also don't want to make a timing mistake again, did that in 2007 when we bought a house at the peak of the market. Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docboat Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Give Australia a go? What do you think this is - a moonlight flit to a neighbouring village? You are going to be moving to a foreign country on the other side of the world, with different homes, attitudes, climates (note the plural), politics, TV, food, lifestyle. The money will be tight for a while, you will be away from friends and family. Emigrating is a serious business, that must be undertaken with vision, determination and courage - you will have hurdles that demand to be surmounted, or you ping pong and turn tail, losing your money and your confidence. At the very least, you need a partner who is convinced, heart and soul, mind and body, that this is a marvellous idea and well worth the effort you must put into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohsohappy Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 WOW that is a very direct response! What I was referring to when I said out of the frying pan into the fire, was the current economic situation. Obviously if there is about to be mass unemployment then what I believe to be so fruitful about Australia would not stand true. Moving to Australia I wish to to envelop in it's culture and differences, that I have absolutely no problem with, I do however also wish to move to give my children a better future with more opportunities so this is what I was referring to. My husband has agreed to move to Oz and we are looking at Victoria where he has aunties and cousins. He is going to apply for a career break and we will rent our house out. I have great courage, determination and vision, however some people i.e. my husband see all possibilities, he has a PhD in Astrophysics, his job was to create models that show all possible outcomes, for this reason he is a lot more wary over choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'd like to wish you luck . I don't know how things will pan out in Aus. It's been a crap few years in the UK but as I said to my husband, where would you rather be broke?! UK or Oz! You can guess the answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohsohappy Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 So true, thank you. Sometimes you just need someone to reline yo of these things at to give you a wee bit if courage, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Well don't bank on the "better future for the kids" thing - it'll be different but whether it'll be better is anyone's guess. Aus usually lags the UK by 4-5 years so if you thought UK was ok back in 2009 then it will be ok. However I would agree, it's a huge step that you both have to be 100% certain of not with one of you browbeaten into submission. I'd much rather be broke in UK than Aus any day of the week - closer to extended family support network, lower COL, more opportunity for cheap holidays, better health care etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohsohappy Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 So Quoll I guess you lived in Oz and then came back? By the way what is COL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohsohappy Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 took me awhile! cost of living duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 COL is cost of living. And it's all relative to what you earn. Who cares if bread is twice as much if you earn twice as much ( depends on your jobs obviously!) who says healthcare is better? Good and bad experiences to be had on either side. Some people have little family support in UK. Some have more potential support in Aus. Everyone's situation is unique. Let people do their research and if they want to " give it a go " let them! You all did!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I have far less disposable income in Oz than I had in the UK. But it back to the question, no. Australia I don't think job wise it's going to be anywhere near as bad as the UK back then. The last news report I saw on it for Adelaide at least was going in the other direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacaranda Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I've lived in both countries (Oz for 30 yrs,the UK for less)and in my opinion neither is better than the other,different yes.This is only my experience,but my kids are aussies,we moved to the UK when they were 11 and 9.They're now adults.Now whether this is luck or whatever else,both have done well job wise,one went to uni the other didn't but both are happy,well adjusted kids,who have no hankering to return to Australia to live. I'm sure there are plenty of posters out there that will say their kids are doing equally well in Australia.My point is though,if your kids want to do well in life and be happy,either country can offer them that,don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Whilst I fully appreciate you wouldn't want to move to a country in recession especially when the UK economy is on the up, I think you are missing the point - if it's a short term plan then fair enough to move to a place with lots of job opportunities but if it's long term then it's an irrelevant consideration as the UK economy and Australian economy are only linked at a global macro level so at very many points in the future opportunities may be better in the UK (or vice versa) Unless you move from one to the other as the economy changes then you choose one and stick with it for better or worse. It should be about the culture you prefer to live in as the days of the streets being paved with gold for migrants are long gone - anyone migrating since the housing boom that lasted 2001-2004 hasn't had it easy and it's been particularly hard since 2010 because the exchange rate has been under 2.2 (the value it needs to be to buy 'like for like' when you move your money over) So out of the frying pan into the fire? Absolutely! I'm not saying don't do it but have other reasons than 'better opportunities' for you or your children because no-one can predict future opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 WOW that is a very direct response! What I was referring to when I said out of the frying pan into the fire, was the current economic situation. Obviously if there is about to be mass unemployment then what I believe to be so fruitful about Australia would not stand true. Moving to Australia I wish to to envelop in it's culture and differences, that I have absolutely no problem with, I do however also wish to move to give my children a better future with more opportunities so this is what I was referring to. My husband has agreed to move to Oz and we are looking at Victoria where he has aunties and cousins. He is going to apply for a career break and we will rent our house out. I have great courage, determination and vision, however some people i.e. my husband see all possibilities, he has a PhD in Astrophysics, his job was to create models that show all possible outcomes, for this reason he is a lot more wary over choices. We are heading out this year but are not kidding ourselves that it will give our 11 year old a better life. We are sure that the UK offers her every opportunity to fulfil her ambitions and if it were her choice she would probably opt to stay put. We hope that she will have at least as good a life in Oz but who can know (you can't live a parallel life). We are moving because we both want to. If your husband has serious doubts and only you are driving it you may have difficulties if you have problems to overcome I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nphilips Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Well don't bank on the "better future for the kids" thing - it'll be different but whether it'll be better is anyone's guess. Aus usually lags the UK by 4-5 years so if you thought UK was ok back in 2009 then it will be ok. However I would agree, it's a huge step that you both have to be 100% certain of not with one of you browbeaten into submission. I'd much rather be broke in UK than Aus any day of the week - closer to extended family support network, lower COL, more opportunity for cheap holidays, better health care etc etc Better health care NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Better health care NOT In my humble experience better health care here (in Cambridge) significantly better than in Canberra in fact and if I were impoverished (which was my response to someone's query about where one would be better impoverished) then the NHS would be a much better option. I know that hospitals are different all over UK in the same way that there are some gems and some downright useless options in Aus but in general, with its defined waiting times for elective procedures, lower pharmaceuticals fees, good GP services, lower cost dental services, free ambulance cover etc the NHS does a bloody good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bound4Tassie Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 In my humble experience better health care here (in Cambridge) significantly better than in Canberra in fact and if I were impoverished (which was my response to someone's query about where one would be better impoverished) then the NHS would be a much better option. I know that hospitals are different all over UK in the same way that there are some gems and some downright useless options in Aus but in general, with its defined waiting times for elective procedures, lower pharmaceuticals fees, good GP services, lower cost dental services, free ambulance cover etc the NHS does a bloody good job Addenbrookes recently called a state of emergency in a&e ( as did several other hospitals) http://www.cambstimes.co.uk/news/addenbrooke_s_hospital_declares_state_of_emergency_and_warns_only_to_attend_a_e_unless_it_is_absolutely_essential_1_3907713 And it's renowned for closing it's doors on maternity as they're too busy, diverting women in labour some distance away. Maybe this happens in Oz too. The NHS do the best they can in a woefully underesourced service. There is also a GP shortage crisis. They can't fill the jobs as not enough young Drs want to become GPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 My experiences at addenbrooks (not much, healthy person) were mostly good. However, I think I've had better experiences here in Adelaide. I've just had a baby, and describing the care I got here my friends in the UK (many who have gone through addenbrooks, and many up north) they were all very jealous. I had kidney issues, and a friend on Facebook was complaining about her care in Cambridge. Mine here was excellent. And the only thing I paid for was ambulance cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I do however also wish to move to give my children a better future with more opportunities so this is what I was referring to. If you are moving to Australia to give your children a better future then think again. Australia used to be the land of opportunity - when I arrived here 30 years ago, I was able to step into a career I would never have had in the UK - but that's not the case now. Australia is just another developed country, and like any other developed country, it faces tough competition from emerging nations like India and China (and possibly worse since they're at our back door). In fact, I'd say there are fewer opportunities in Australia than in the UK. It's easier to move to find work in the UK and Europe - or to commute halfway across the country if necessary.. So although the population is huge, there's also a much bigger variety of opportunities within reach. If you need to traverse Australia to find work then you'll find yourself spending thousands in air fares! Australia has a small population but its industries are also shrinking as factories and call centres get transferred to Asia, so it does not mean that getting a job - or getting ahead - is any easier. In some fields the opportunities are very limited indeed. My other reservation is that moving with a family costs at least $50,000 by the time you count fees, air fares, shipping, temporary accommodation on arrival, period of unemployment, buying a car, and setting up home again. If you are unhappy and decide to return to the UK, you have that cost again in reverse. You may still feel Australia offers your children more opportunity - but moving here could mean you'll have $100,000 less to provide for and support them into the future. Don't think that your salaries in Australia will make up for that cost, either - the cost of living here means that many people find they're doing about the same, or slightly worse off. Finally, I also hope you haven't nagged your husband into giving in and agreeing to move. Moving countries is one of the most stressful things you can do - you don't want to do it with someone who isn't wholly committed and enthusiastic. Otherwise the moment there's a problem, you'll be in "I told you so" territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 You mentioned your OH has a Ph.D. in Astrophysics - that's a rather specialist field, will there be the right opportunities for him in Australia regardless of how the economy is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Why do you want to make the move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 My experiences at addenbrooks (not much, healthy person) were mostly good. However, I think I've had better experiences here in Adelaide. I've just had a baby, and describing the care I got here my friends in the UK (many who have gone through addenbrooks, and many up north) they were all very jealous. I had kidney issues, and a friend on Facebook was complaining about her care in Cambridge. Mine here was excellent. And the only thing I paid for was ambulance cover. I think a lot of people here complain about care but have nothing to compare it with - my dad was taken to A&E the other day in an ambulance - fantastic service, seen and released within the 4 hour period and that has been the case whenever any of my olds have needed care and attention - the aged parents both recently been seen by GP home visits following the wonderful 111 service (Ive no idea whether my Aus GP even does home visits, I suspect not). Addenbrookes did come under pressure at NY but that would probably have been the case for many hospitals when so many primary care services were shut for the holidays. Ive only heard glowing reports of the Rosie - Ive got several young friends who've had their kids in there and have been gushing with praise for the service they have received. My daughter in law in London had great support from her midwives and the hospital were great so she was happy - follow up has been really supportive. I'm still rankling over the debacle which saw my fit and healthy 30 year old son consigned to lifelong disability by the Canberra doctors who couldnt get their arses into gear to reattach his pectoral muscle until 3 months after the event by which time it had contracted and was almost unattachable because it had shrunk so much. If they'd done it in a timely manner it wouldnt have been half the problem and, as it was, he had to fight to get someone who was prepared to do it. The general attitude was "well you can live without a pectoral muscle" WTF?????? Sure, if you want limited use of your upper limbs and totally unacceptable when surgery is generally very successful. To consign a healthy young person to a lifetime disability is reprehensible in the extreme - lazy and disinterested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Didn't you have private health cover Quoll ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainR Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Give Australia a go? What do you think this is - a moonlight flit to a neighbouring village? You are going to be moving to a foreign country on the other side of the world, with different homes, attitudes, climates (note the plural), politics, TV, food, lifestyle. The money will be tight for a while, you will be away from friends and family. Emigrating is a serious business, that must be undertaken with vision, determination and courage - you will have hurdles that demand to be surmounted, or you ping pong and turn tail, losing your money and your confidence. At the very least, you need a partner who is convinced, heart and soul, mind and body, that this is a marvellous idea and well worth the effort you must put into it. Wow, we have never taken emigrating that seriously, Aus is our third country in the last 5 years, all of our moves have been very much on a whim, although a little more effort into Oz due to the migration process. Life is too short to waste worrying, we just see it as one big adventure. If work dried up here in Oz, we'd just move on. Although tbh we'd love to bring up our kids here, we love the lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 @Quoll my friends were mostly happy with the Rosie. But when I was given a usb with video of my baby from both scans, for free, and they just got a photo.... I had the same midwife for all of my appointments from 20 weeks, who would come to my house, including every day after the birth for a week, and then once a week for six weeks. They were very jelous of that. I had to stay in two nights (including the one she was born). I got a private room where my partner could stay too. The ones who had to stay at the Rosie complained of noisy room mates in shared rooms with no partner. They were happy for me to have a water birth which many friends in the UK were not offered (I didn't in the end though). One of my friends is currently suing addenbrooks due to the conduct of one of their midwives, who has since been struck off. Her little boy is still suffering at I think four years old. Two of my friends have back problems due to epidurals there (they did tell me not to have one, but it hurt too much. Made me nervous though). Two of my friends had really bad birthing experiences also, but they were in other parts of the country. There is a gp service in Adelaide who will come to your house out of hours, and they bulk bill. I'm very happy to have had my baby here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathy99 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I would say go for it, your children have the same opportunities here as they do in the uk, i would say they have more opportunities here due to the ratio of population:jobs! We've been here a year now with a 5 & 8 year old and are a lot better off than we were in the uk and i'm not just talking monetary value! It's a great lifestyle and like anything, it's what you make it! :0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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