Keefo Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 One of my wife's training days when she starts work at her new school near Perth in January consists of teachers doing PE activities as a get to know each other. I think this is a good idea as opposed to just sat in a classroom or a hall listening to somebody preach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Hiya, thank you for your reply. He did a 3 year BA in education. 14 years ago. hes a deputy head now. the skills assessment said he has all the experience but lacks the final year of education. Do u know the costs of a masters in Oz? We can't believe the agent didnt realise this before he submitted our application. Sarah It it sounds dramatic but you would be better going to Scotland and completing a PGDE in education. This is the initial teacher training that you require. A masters doesn't cut it because it's not initial teacher traing. Presuming you live in England or Wales... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy1 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) It it sounds dramatic but you would be better going to Scotland and completing a PGDE in education. This is the initial teacher training that you require. A masters doesn't cut it because it's not initial teacher traing. Presuming you live in England or Wales... That is absolutely incorrect. The OP's husband already has an initial teaching qualification (three years Bachelor of Education), but simply lacks the fourth year of tertiary education that is required in Australia - that is all. The options are for the OP to do a one year masters or a one year post graduate diploma in a related topic. Edited December 17, 2014 by Sammy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hi Sammy1,are you saying that they couldn't do a PGDE to qualify? I've not known anyone to complete a Masters and then qualify because they completed a BEd. Maybe you do? There's plenty of post grad education qualifications if this is the case. I've been put through the ringer by AITSL to gain a positive assessment and they're not keen to offer advice on an individual basis, in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy1 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Hi Sammy1,are you saying that they couldn't do a PGDE to qualify? I've not known anyone to complete a Masters and then qualify because they completed a BEd. Maybe you do? There's plenty of post grad education qualifications if this is the case. I've been put through the ringer by AITSL to gain a positive assessment and they're not keen to offer advice on an individual basis, in my experience. I am saying that they do not need to. I am speaking from the viewpoint of an experienced educator who has a very good understanding of the requirements here and who knows what they are talking about, but then I have been here 15 years... It would be an absolute waste of time to do another initial teaching qualification because the OP already has one. However, what they do lack is the four years of tertiary education required to be eligible to teach here. As they have the initial teaching qualification already, then they simply need to do a one year post graduate course, whether that is a Masters or post grad diploma in special needs etc etc etc. Do remember that a three year degree in another discipline together with a one year initial teaching qualification (studied at uni) fulfills the requirement, as does the three Bachelor of education IF a further year of post grad study is then undertaken, thereby fulfilling the four years of university education required. You are giving the OP incorrect advice and it would be crazy for the OP to have to do supervised pracs again. Edited December 18, 2014 by Sammy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuk Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Bump - Can anyone help with the below? Or suggest who to contact? (First post. If not the right place, I can repost elsewhere!) My partner has applied for a partner visa with the intention of moving to Perth to live and work. She has almost 8 years work experience in teaching (3 years as a qualified teacher). She has a PGCE and has studied for circa 5 years (although 4 years at university level). All qualification attained in the UK. NVQ3 Children's Care > Foundation Degree Early Years > BA Education Early Years > PGCE > MA Education We essentially wanted to know what things we should do to register ahead of arriving in Australia. From what I can gather: 1) Register with Teacher Registration Board of WA (TRB WA) (registration takes approx 12 weeks). What level of registration are we eligible for - Full Registration / Provisional Registration / Non-Practising Registration / Limited Registration? 2) Register with Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership (AITSL) Is this required? Or is only the TRB required? When should this be applied for? 3) Register for jobs via the various online job sites (and cross fingers!). Apologies if these have been answered already. Still reading through the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 DMUK I went through about 2 years ago in NSW, so my experiences may not hold for your OH as things have changed in that time and some of my comments may be incorrect. I needed to apply to the NSW board of studies for approval to teach. They wanted to see transcripts of my degree courses to see that my background knowledge was equivalent to those in Australia, and that I had done the right amount of university study. After I got approval to teach I was then able to apply to the NSW Department of Education and Communities and to the private education authorities as someone they might potentially emply. At that time, the DEC ran a 5 day Overseas Trained Teacher followed by a two week school placement course that I had to attend, but I think they have got rid of this course now. I also think that from now on (in NSW from the start of 2015?), prospective teachers have to apply to the AITSL rather than the NSW board of studies. I am guessing it will be provisional registration initially. I had to do lots of paperwork with examples of how I met the teacher standards to change my provisional into a full registration, but NSW may be different. All the best, but be aware there are many more teachers than jobs in many places at the moment ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cora Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Hi everyone, Firstly - thank you to everyone who has posted on this thread. I've just read through all 44 pages and feel so much more clued up about moving to WA next year. I hope you won't mind me asking a question though? I've searched through the forum but find the info I need. Our plan is to submit an EOI for a 189 visa in December. I'm getting ready to the the IELTS soon to ensure I have enough points. I'm also going to get my skills assessment sorted out with AITSL. Hopefully we'll be invited to apply for the visa and then get the medicals and police checks done. In theory, I'm feeling okay about all of this. The bit that's confusing me is how I register to teach in WA. I've read all the info on the TRBWA website, but still don't understand which type of registration I should be applying for. I have a BSc in Maths plus a PGCE. I've got nine years teaching experience, plus I'm HoD (although appreciate that I'll be scrapping that position to move overseas), however, the website says "Until such time as such teachers either study or teach in Australia/New Zealand they will be unable to be granted registration in the Full or Provisional categories. However, overseas teachers in this position may still apply for Limited Registration or apply for Non-Practising Registration." Does this mean I have to apply for Limited Registration? The form to do this looked like it needed to be supported by an employer, but I didn't think I could apply for a job without being registered... deary me! Hopefully what I've written makes sense. I'd be really grateful for any advice you can offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mont Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hello, I'm new to the forum. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post but I was wondering if anyone would have any advice regarding my options in oz. I have a BA hons in early childhood education and care from Ireland. I also have a Montessori diploma and 5 years experience as a Montessori teacher with children aged 4 years. I am qualified to work with children aged 0-6. I also have a fetac level 6 in train the trainer- training adults. Does anyone know if I would be restricted to day care centres/nursery or if there is an option to teach adults or even in primary schools with younger children. Thanks in advance and sorry if I'm in the wrong place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearnBob Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 A New Subscriber! Hi Guys - Bob and I (Bear) are both teachers and are off to Australia at Easter.<br><br>I have a job at a school in Sale, Victoria, looking after the boarding house: essentially the job I do here in the UK. I have taught in Australia on exchange before and have 20 odd years experience. My teaching specialisms are IT and DT, and whilst my new role (Head of Boarding) is essentially management i will keep my hand in for future reference. I secured the role directly withe the school but have the advantage of PR, VIT Registration and an Australian Head as a referee. It is still very difficult to get a role from overseas and that final hurdle, via Skype, is often the most challenging. Smart and Hays were interested but schools do like to see you face to face. I found my role through the Australian Boarding Schools Association website and used Seek and Career One subscriptions. Any sage words of advice would be appreciated. Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selina Smith Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Hi everyone, I'm new to the thread too and wanted to say thanks for all of the information so far. I hoped someone will be able to help me with my query too as I don't think anyone has asked this question before (although I did post this question in the migration issues forum so sorry if you've already seen it or replied). I am currently an NQT working in an Early years unit with children aged 3-5. I previously lived in Oz for 2 years on a WHV, I came back to England to get qualified and hope to make a permanent move as my husband and I feel like Australia is definitely home for us. My concern is with applying with AITSL. I do have 5 years university education including a PGCE specifically in Early years (1 year) but my other qualifications are a HND in Animal care (3years) and a Top up BSc (Hons) in Applied Animal Studies. Very random I know!! I wondered if anyone has had a positive assessment with an obscure degree? On AITSL it does say that the degree subject does not have to be in education so as far as I can see I meet the requirements for having a minimum of 4 years university education including at least one year of ITT, I have an official letter from my university that states on my PGCE I did 110 supervised teaching days working with children aged 3-6 and my PGCE certificate states 'early years' as I heard this is needed if you wish to apply specifically for early years teacher which is on the SOL list. I know I may have trouble with my qualifications when registering with certain states to teach but for me at the moment it's about getting my family out there and would be willing to accept any type of work. Any help, advice or other words of wisdom would be much appreciated. Thank you xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Linda21 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Not too sure about your degree but you will need at least one years work experience for South Australia and more for other States. Id run it by Go Matilda as they offer good advice. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selina Smith Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Not too sure about your degree but you will need at least one years work experience for South Australia and more for other States. Id run it by Go Matilda as they offer good advice. Good luck. thanks for the reply, when you say SA require at least one years experience is that to register to teach or if you want to apply for state sponsorship with them? X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuk Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 DMUK I went through about 2 years ago in NSW, so my experiences may not hold for your OH as things have changed in that time and some of my comments may be incorrect. I needed to apply to the NSW board of studies for approval to teach. They wanted to see transcripts of my degree courses to see that my background knowledge was equivalent to those in Australia, and that I had done the right amount of university study. After I got approval to teach I was then able to apply to the NSW Department of Education and Communities and to the private education authorities as someone they might potentially emply. At that time, the DEC ran a 5 day Overseas Trained Teacher followed by a two week school placement course that I had to attend, but I think they have got rid of this course now. I also think that from now on (in NSW from the start of 2015?), prospective teachers have to apply to the AITSL rather than the NSW board of studies. I am guessing it will be provisional registration initially. I had to do lots of paperwork with examples of how I met the teacher standards to change my provisional into a full registration, but NSW may be different. All the best, but be aware there are many more teachers than jobs in many places at the moment ...... Thanks Dorset. Sounds like we may need to do some more digging about the WA process. I know TRBWA is mandatory (similar to NSW Board of Studies). Still uncertain about AITSL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyssa Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Soooo I've hit a snag already with registering in NSW as a Science teacher. Just got my accreditation back from BOSTES and it states I need to do more training before I can work in NSW as a teacher!!!! Firstly has anyone else had this problem? Can you appeal it in anyway? I am assuming it is because my degree is in Psychology and so my Chemistry and Physics are not to scratch, which I addressed in the UK by doing booster courses prior to the start of my PGCE. Secondly where do you find who provides the training as it seems quite specific? "4 units of degree level study in 1 science and 2 units of degree level study in a 2nd sciencewith at least 4 of the 6 units must be at 2nd year level or above (1 other the sciences must be either Chemistry or Physics)". Finally I know this is my own fault for not fully researching the registration before coming out here, I naively thought if AITSL said I was fine to teach NSW registration would as well. Lesson learnt, so any advice please??? Nyssa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hi everyone,Firstly - thank you to everyone who has posted on this thread. I've just read through all 44 pages and feel so much more clued up about moving to WA next year. I hope you won't mind me asking a question though? I've searched through the forum but find the info I need. Our plan is to submit an EOI for a 189 visa in December. I'm getting ready to the the IELTS soon to ensure I have enough points. I'm also going to get my skills assessment sorted out with AITSL. Hopefully we'll be invited to apply for the visa and then get the medicals and police checks done. In theory, I'm feeling okay about all of this. The bit that's confusing me is how I register to teach in WA. I've read all the info on the TRBWA website, but still don't understand which type of registration I should be applying for. I have a BSc in Maths plus a PGCE. I've got nine years teaching experience, plus I'm HoD (although appreciate that I'll be scrapping that position to move overseas), however, the website says "Until such time as such teachers either study or teach in Australia/New Zealand they will be unable to be granted registration in the Full or Provisional categories. However, overseas teachers in this position may still apply for Limited Registration or apply for Non-Practising Registration." Does this mean I have to apply for Limited Registration? The form to do this looked like it needed to be supported by an employer, but I didn't think I could apply for a job without being registered... deary me! Hopefully what I've written makes sense. I'd be really grateful for any advice you can offer. This is something that I need to start looking into as well. My agent has some experience in this, I will relay the information when I'm clear myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffodilly Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Hi all, I am new here...living in Singapore. This is the only forum with a group of teachers so thought I might get some help here Can someone tell me if AITSL will approve the following qualifications for Early Childhood (pre-primary teacher) Diploma in pre-school Teaching (2 years) - not a PGD but basic diploma accredited by the local agency Three years degree with Childhood and Family Education Major (part/full time on campus from an Australian university overseas campus) with 12 courses Currently doing Masters in Special Education (graduating soon) 5 years working experience with 2-6 year olds My diploma and degree pretty much covers theoretical studies, research, pedagogy and various subjects teaching except the practicum was for 0-6 years and not 3-8 as mentioned on the AITSL website My questions are: Will the diploma be considered as a one year initial teacher training qualification? And together will they be equal to a 4 year under grad? Will the practicum (professional placement) lacking 6-8 years of age be a problem? Can I use my masters transcripts that is not complete to support my qualifications? (this consists of good research on human development and teaching) Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZCrisp Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Hi, I have been silent observer on this forum since last few months and this is my first post. I am from India and I am going to migrate to Australia in a year or two. My husband will be primary applicant. I have a two years of bachelor degree and currently I am enrolled for one year B.Ed Elementary (Bachelor in Elementary Education) program. This program includes 3-months of supervised internship. Do you guys think that my qualification is enough to get a job in this field. As I am Muslim, I heard that there are few Muslim schools where job criteria is not that tough. Is it correct? Any first hand knowledge in this regards would be highly appreciated. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzhead Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Hi fellow teachers, I will have completed my NQT year in the UK by summer 2016 (secondary music). I then plan on applying for a skilled visa (either sponsored or an independent). I know that I will only have the two years teaching experience then, however, by summer 2016 I will be 39 years old. I don't wish to leave to apply until I am after 40 as I will automatically drop 10 points. My question: do you think that two years experience will be sufficient enough to lodge an EOI and realistically have a chance of securing at least an invitation to apply? Any other general advice regarding moving to Australia to teach would be greatly appreciated. Thank you :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkm10 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Hi everyone, I am new to this thread so looking for some advice. I am currently studying for my PGCE in Early Years Education (teaching children 3-7years old), I previously have a degree as a children's nurse and have over 2years experience as a nurse before starting PGCE. I am due to qualify in September, and hoping to do my first year as a NQT here in UK, then want to move out to Brisbane. I know I want the PR visa. But how long approx are PR visas taking to process? Also, in UK I want to be a Reception teacher, can anyone tell me what the equivalent is in Australia? I know they have kindergartens, but is that just like our private nurseries and pre-schools? Also, what is the pay, I have looked online but it is so confusing - can anyone make sense of this, and does the fact that I have previous experience in another career count towards pay scale or do I start at the bottom? Finally I am a little confused as to what I apply for as part of the visa, do I apply as an early childhood teacher, is this the same as what I am currently studying or do I apply for primary teacher (remember I want to teach in whatever their equivalent of reception is). Thank You :-) Jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Hi fellow teachers, I will have completed my NQT year in the UK by summer 2016 (secondary music). I then plan on applying for a skilled visa (either sponsored or an independent). I know that I will only have the two years teaching experience then, however, by summer 2016 I will be 39 years old. I don't wish to leave to apply until I am after 40 as I will automatically drop 10 points. My question: do you think that two years experience will be sufficient enough to lodge an EOI and realistically have a chance of securing at least an invitation to apply? Any other general advice regarding moving to Australia to teach would be greatly appreciated. Thank you :cool: Experience is only relevant if you need extra points. AITSL literally check your qualifications and teacher training. Certain states may request a particular amount of experience for state sponsorship. Will you need to complete the IELTS test as well to give you extra points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzhead Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Experience is only relevant if you need extra points. AITSL literally check your qualifications and teacher training. Certain states may request a particular amount of experience for state sponsorship. Will you need to complete the IELTS test as well to give you extra points? Hi Benji, Yes, I plan on doing IELTS to gain 20 extra points in order to strengthen my application. So you're saying that my relative lack of actual teaching years might not be a huge obstacle in applying for a 189 then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) AITSL assess your qualifications and can provide skilled employment statements for immigration purposes ie to gain extra points through your experience. They only assess your teacher training. So in terms of 189 you would gain a positive skills assessment providing you completed your training the way AITSL like it. Gaining a state teacher registration may be harder to obtain, but I'm not sure about that. Maybe something you should look into? Edited January 20, 2015 by benj1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzhead Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 AITSL assess your qualifications and can provide skilled employment statements for immigration purposes ie to gain extra points through your experience. They only assess your teacher training. So in terms of 189 you would gain a positive skills assessment providing you completed your training the way AITSL like it. Gaining a state teacher registration may be harder to obtain, but I'm not sure about that. Maybe something you should look into? Three year BA in Music at Leeds College of Music (first class honours) and PGCE secondary music at Manchester Metropolitan. Would that be consistent with the way AITSL assessors like it iyo, Benji? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzhead Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Also, is state registration preferable to a 189? Or am I just making a false inference from you stating that it might be harder to obtain than an independent visa? Thanks for your replies by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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