UK economy slowing.

[starlight7]

12 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

Australia wouldn't be so stupid as to join a trade bloc like the e.u.

just imagine if Australia created a trade bloc with china - India - Malaysia and n.z ,with FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE .

What a lovely thought , seeing your population rise massively and unaturally in a short space of time .

still keen starlight .

I think that would be the best thing since sliced bread personally.

[BacktoDemocracy]

9 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Good article.  Yet more confirmation that liberal democracy ceded too much ground to corporate and political eletes who have adopted a patriarchal system which benefits themselves disproportionately.  In doing so they have prepared the ground for populist autocrats to mobilise the discontented.

Unfortunately these populist autocrats always end up recruiting the same elites and those who support them end up even worse off or dead.

I am not at all optimistic that voices of reason will prevail as they cannot offer much in the way of easy answers and slogans - which is what most people want to hear.

I think the "iron rule of oligarchy" describes the syndrome.

[Parley]

16 hours ago, starlight7 said:

I think that would be the best thing since sliced bread personally.

A billion chinese moving over here.

[starlight7]

Already here it seems- might as well make the most of it. Figure they will look after us because so many are here or have property interests here. Second home I guess.

[bunbury61]

On ‎10‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 07:47, starlight7 said:

Already here it seems- might as well make the most of it. Figure they will look after us because so many are here or have property interests here. Second home I guess.

....yeah they are the ones with serious money

it costs 5 million to gain business access I think.

imagine the free for all ,with anybody from Asia being allowed to freely enter , as is with the e.u .

then you have to provide free healthcare , schooling and housing

unworkable

it s been a very short time project with the e.u ,and look at the situation

[bunbury61]

Just now, bunbury61 said:

....yeah they are the ones with serious money

it costs 5 million to gain business access I think.

imagine the free for all ,with anybody from Asia being allowed to freely enter , as is with the e.u .

then you have to provide free healthcare , schooling and housing

unworkable

it s been a very short time project with the e.u ,and look at the situation

sorry, unworkable and unsustainable ....the cracks are just starting to appear

[newjez]

5 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

....yeah they are the ones with serious money

it costs 5 million to gain business access I think.

imagine the free for all ,with anybody from Asia being allowed to freely enter , as is with the e.u .

then you have to provide free healthcare , schooling and housing

unworkable

it s been a very short time project with the e.u ,and look at the situation

There's probably a hundred million people with the points to enter Australia. And yet, they aren't trying to enter. There are many people in Europe who could have entered the UK but didn't. When the UK had record immigration did we have record unemployment? Australia? 

Immigration is self regulating.

Points systems just add a layer of inefficiency.

Much better to say if you have a job you can stay. If you haven't, then leave.

Edited July 11, 2018 by newjez

[Paul1Perth]

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 23:54, BacktoDemocracy said:

I won't even bother to go thro the well rehearsed reasons why the economy is slowing, but, inflation is increasing officially and unofficially inflation is hitting things like fuel, food, transport and rents.

I think it is more of a psychological issue of perceived poverty rather than people actually being substantively poorer, although when Poundland folds it does feel like the fear of  poverty is a reality for a rising number of people, whatever it is it seems people are feeling less confident about the future.

The official statistics show unemployment is  very low and employment expanding but High st spending is reducing, my guess is that well paid jobs with good conditions attached are becoming less and less available and employment growth is in insecure jobs so people do not feel that they can spend with impunity.

Report came out yesterday about job creation in Perth. Loads of jobs created in the last 3 months but 75% of them part time. Media people just say younger people will have to accept that's the way it's going to be?

Commodity prices and mining in particular have really picked up again so WA is in a pretty good place and the young are supposed to accept temp positions? Time for the union movement to step up and young people to join.

Petrol is expensive here too at the moment. That makes everything more expensive.

I think it's a world wide slowdown and nothing to do with brexit. I suppose Brexit is to blame for the world cup loss.

[Paul1Perth]

On Monday, July 09, 2018 at 13:19, starlight7 said:

I think that would be the best thing since sliced bread personally.

We would be overrun and taken over in about a month. No wars necessary.

[Paul1Perth]

On Friday, July 06, 2018 at 03:35, BacktoDemocracy said:

Because nationalism is always attractive

Only a few years ago the common market, free trade and globalisation were all the rage. A few years on and people see the downside. 

It will all go round again. It's a bit like fashion. I've still got flairs from the 60s in the wardrobe and a levi jacket. My son wanted the jacket so it's only a matter of time for the flairs.

[Paul1Perth]

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 14:47, starlight7 said:

Already here it seems- might as well make the most of it. Figure they will look after us because so many are here or have property interests here. Second home I guess.

Plenty of rich ones here granted. Can you imagine what would happen if we opened borders though? 

Luckily not going to happen. When we emigrated there was a queue at the Manchester embassy for people applying for emigration. I thought at the time if they all got in Aus would be overrun from the UK. Luckily there's strict entry criteria and even more luckily, we were successful.

[Paul1Perth]

5 hours ago, newjez said:

There's probably a hundred million people with the points to enter Australia. And yet, they aren't trying to enter. There are many people in Europe who could have entered the UK but didn't. When the UK had record immigration did we have record unemployment? Australia? 

Immigration is self regulating.

Points systems just add a layer of inefficiency.

Much better to say if you have a job you can stay. If you haven't, then leave.

Points system is the only thing keeping Australia attractive. 

Europe is realising, too late that they should have had control over their borders a few years ago. The damage is done. The cancer is already in.

[Paul1Perth]

5 hours ago, newjez said:

There's probably a hundred million people with the points to enter Australia. And yet, they aren't trying to enter. There are many people in Europe who could have entered the UK but didn't. When the UK had record immigration did we have record unemployment? Australia? 

Immigration is self regulating.

Points systems just add a layer of inefficiency.

Much better to say if you have a job you can stay. If you haven't, then leave.

Like I said earlier, when we emigrated in 92 the Manchester embassy was open. You could go in get the forms for emigration, chat to aussies, watch videos, check the latest employment lists. There were 2 queues and I assumed the shortest one would be for emigration applicants, not holiday visas. I was wrong. They gave you a small checklist to work out your point score before you started filling in forms and wasting money. I've never seen so many grown people actually crying when they realised they were never going to make the points. A dream gone up in smoke.

Would have been maybe 5% of people who made it. There was a recession here too at the time so it was difficult.

A few years later any trade would have got you in.

[newjez]

2 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Points system is the only thing keeping Australia attractive. 

Europe is realising, too late that they should have had control over their borders a few years ago. The damage is done. The cancer is already in.

 

[BacktoDemocracy]

5 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Points system is the only thing keeping Australia attractive. 

Europe is realising, too late that they should have had control over their borders a few years ago. The damage is done. The cancer is already in.

The Australian system means that you get a one size fits all economy, it chugs along but is stuck in its own self perpetuating image and that will eventually be its undoing, where are the designers, the entrepreneurs, the home grown industrialists.

Australia is so committed to keeping people out and designing bureaucracy to keep the good jobs to themselves that they have killed innovation and creativity, agriculture and the extractive industries will whither as the world changes to low carbon and climate change hits.

[bunbury61]

14 hours ago, newjez said:

There's probably a hundred million people with the points to enter Australia. And yet, they aren't trying to enter. There are many people in Europe who could have entered the UK but didn't. When the UK had record immigration did we have record unemployment? Australia? 

Immigration is self regulating.

Points systems just add a layer of inefficiency.

Much better to say if you have a job you can stay. If you haven't, then leave.

immigration WOULD be self regulating , if people were moving on an equal footing from one country to another .

how can you call I self regulating and equal , when people are moving to the uk .

poorly educated , very little spoken or written English , to a new life , new free housing,healthcare and schooling.

how many Brits have moved the other way ? .

the e.u is not self regulating at all ,that's the problem.

[bunbury61]

Just now, bunbury61 said:

immigration WOULD be self regulating , if people were moving on an equal footing from one country to another .

how can you call I self regulating and equal , when people are moving to the uk .

poorly educated , very little spoken or written English , to a new life , new free housing,healthcare and schooling.

how many Brits have moved the other way ? .

the e.u is not self regulating at all ,that's the problem.

p.s ..you dont need a job to enter the u.k from the e.u .

then once you are here without a job ,how would you get them t o leave ?

that's what I call inefficiency .

if you want to enter the u.k to live and work ,you will need a job with a salary of £30 k plus .

that's the only way , new entrants are a benefit to the country

[Gbye grey sky]

5 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

p.s ..you dont need a job to enter the u.k from the e.u .

then once you are here without a job ,how would you get them t o leave ?

that's what I call inefficiency .

if you want to enter the u.k to live and work ,you will need a job with a salary of £30 k plus .

that's the only way , new entrants are a benefit to the country

The UK suffers from staff shortages in agriculture and hospitality; just 2 examples.  Doubt either case would command salaries in excess of £30,000.

[bunbury61]

9 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Report came out yesterday about job creation in Perth. Loads of jobs created in the last 3 months but 75% of them part time. Media people just say younger people will have to accept that's the way it's going to be?

Commodity prices and mining in particular have really picked up again so WA is in a pretty good place and the young are supposed to accept temp positions? Time for the union movement to step up and young people to join.

Petrol is expensive here too at the moment. That makes everything more expensive.

I think it's a world wide slowdown and nothing to do with brexit. I suppose Brexit is to blame for the world cup loss.

Paul its GLOBALISATION mate ..

goodbye the Australian dream ,

the multinationals having the young insecure workforce as temporary labour , with no rights ,and no chance of ever owning that 4x2'.

you are 10 years behind the curve .

what I have been banging on and on about .

And there are quite a few so called socialists that defend the new order ,its laughable .

welcome to the new world of temporary work and crap pay .

oh , but the big businesses need more low pay workers so keep those doors open , it grows the economy ,you know

[bunbury61]

3 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

The UK suffers from staff shortages in agriculture and hospitality; just 2 examples.  Doubt either case would command salaries in excess of £30,000.

so how was the work done before ?...OR ( be careful ) are you suggesting people work for minimum wage ?

 

[Gbye grey sky]

9 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Report came out yesterday about job creation in Perth. Loads of jobs created in the last 3 months but 75% of them part time. Media people just say younger people will have to accept that's the way it's going to be?

Commodity prices and mining in particular have really picked up again so WA is in a pretty good place and the young are supposed to accept temp positions? Time for the union movement to step up and young people to join.

Petrol is expensive here too at the moment. That makes everything more expensive.

I think it's a world wide slowdown and nothing to do with brexit. I suppose Brexit is to blame for the world cup loss.

Nah.  Brexit was the reason for the Sweden win.  Every fool knows that it was the pesky Remainers who caused the world cup loss.  

Actually the England World Cup exploits was an interesting microcosm of what plagues the English.  Overdoses of hubris, imagined feelings of superiority over the rest of Europe and one-eyed optimism of success despite both the visible evidence and the reality.

[Gbye grey sky]

15 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

so how was the work done before ?...OR ( be careful ) are you suggesting people work for minimum wage ?

 

Before when?  The UK has been using immigrant labour in these sectors for decades and has adjusted accordingly.  If you suddenly turned off that tap farming and the service sector would take a big hit.

Some people do work for minimum wage so I am not understanding the warning implied in your post.

[newjez]

1 hour ago, bunbury61 said:

immigration WOULD be self regulating , if people were moving on an equal footing from one country to another .

how can you call I self regulating and equal , when people are moving to the uk .

poorly educated , very little spoken or written English , to a new life , new free housing,healthcare and schooling.

how many Brits have moved the other way ? .

the e.u is not self regulating at all ,that's the problem.

Free houses? Yippee! Seriously mate.

If they can get a job and support themselves, and you have strong employment laws to prevent your natives being undercut, then I really don't see the problem. Points systems are crap. They result in shortages in some areas and oversupply in others. Let the market decide how many people you need.

[bunbury61]

1 hour ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Nah.  Brexit was the reason for the Sweden win.  Every fool knows that it was the pesky Remainers who caused the world cup loss.  

Actually the England World Cup exploits was an interesting microcosm of what plagues the English.  Overdoses of hubris, imagined feelings of superiority over the rest of Europe and one-eyed optimism of success despite both the visible evidence and the reality.

what a loads of bollox ...the world cup support and media was very low key and supportive ...it was only in the qtr final it started to crank up ....you really post some shite

there was certainly no feelings of superiority....

[bunbury61]

31 minutes ago, newjez said:

Free houses? Yippee! Seriously mate.

If they can get a job and support themselves, and you have strong employment laws to prevent your natives being undercut, then I really don't see the problem. Points systems are crap. They result in shortages in some areas and oversupply in others. Let the market decide how many people you need.

but the market doesn't decide does it ...hello.!!!

what if we need say 4,000 fruit picking seasonal jobs in Worcestershire .

what system is currently in place to stop 50,000 turning up ?

asking to be housed , schooled and free healthcare ?

there is no points system or visa .

if 50,000 e.u migrants turned up in Brighton or Birmingham the councils are legally obliged to assist with all of the above

unworkable and unsustainable Mrs Merkel ...but we AR finding that out now aren't we

its not racist or fascist its bloody commonsense