newjez Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 3 hours ago, simmo said: They where on site in 6 minutes. Unbelievable how soon this was turned into a political football I would have thought the building regs would fall under council? Firefighters responded in record time, but it look like shoddy building works, as it went up like a candle. Why did they not have mains gas? Gas tanks seem part of the problem. Don't talk buildings have sprinkler systems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, newjez said: I would have thought the building regs would fall under council? Firefighters responded in record time, but it look like shoddy building works, as it went up like a candle. Why did they not have mains gas? Gas tanks seem part of the problem. Don't talk buildings have sprinkler systems? Building regs are Gov. Wales are slightly different. Most are guidance anyway. Probably no clark of the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, newjez said: I would have thought the building regs would fall under council? Firefighters responded in record time, but it look like shoddy building works, as it went up like a candle. Why did they not have mains gas? Gas tanks seem part of the problem. Don't talk buildings have sprinkler systems? See my earlier post. Problem MAY be with the external cladding, from comments on tv tonight the material may have been subject to self approval, that is it was certified to be fire resistant rather than proven to be fire resistant, it certainly seems to have either burnt or lost structural integrity, one of the problems also is that once the cladding burns thro the gap behind the cladding then acted like a chimney pulling the fire upwards and the fixings holding the cladding seem to have allowed it to become detached as there were pictures of it falling. As is often the case with disasters like these it will not be one spectacular cause or error, it will be an accumulation of lots of smaller failings all coming together at one point in time and then setting in train the disaster. And things unfortunately are about politics because it is about money and resources, privatising, weakening and outsourcing of statutory and regulatory bodies and reducing standards and both parties bear responsibility for that. Edited June 14, 2017 by BacktoDemocracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johndoe Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Lever40 said: This the same dude that was interviewed by bbc at about 8am (uk time ) ? Had his young step daughter and gf ? I think so. The interview had poor sound but I'm pretty certain he was talking about another block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobj Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 So much sorrow and sadness in London... Full of admiration for the people; their resilience is magnificent Cheers, Bobj. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 20 hours ago, starlight7 said: Horrific. Have they found out what caused it yet? Why are they building this high off the ground? it would be hard to get ladders up there for people to escape. you cannot get ladders anywhere near that high ,and water only to the 20th floor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 15 hours ago, newjez said: I would have thought the building regs would fall under council? Firefighters responded in record time, but it look like shoddy building works, as it went up like a candle. Why did they not have mains gas? Gas tanks seem part of the problem. Don't talk buildings have sprinkler systems? its not shoddy building work ,its bloody concrete . The powers that be ,the government ,the mayor ,and the council will be looking for someone to blame . This will ultimately fall on the construction of the exterior cladding ,recently fitted it cant be the contractors,they just fitted the stuff . it will fall to who signed off recently fitted products as safe . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 9 hours ago, bunbury61 said: its not shoddy building work ,its bloody concrete . The powers that be ,the government ,the mayor ,and the council will be looking for someone to blame . This will ultimately fall on the construction of the exterior cladding ,recently fitted it cant be the contractors,they just fitted the stuff . it will fall to who signed off recently fitted products as safe . That's what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoDemocracy Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 The 'Daily Wail' must be up their as one of the worst papers in the world, can anybody put up any that are worse, its headline today was just designed to just sow seeds of alarm and disquiet by just deliberately questioning 'the stay put' policy which it must know is the correct advice in normal circumstances and is now just going to put people at risk when there is the next fire in any block of flats and people are streaming out of flats making the brigades job so much more difficult. A irresponsible headline just to sell newspapers, its not gutter press it's sewer rat press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said: The 'Daily Wail' must be up their as one of the worst papers in the world, can anybody put up any that are worse, its headline today was just designed to just sow seeds of alarm and disquiet by just deliberately questioning 'the stay put' policy which it must know is the correct advice in normal circumstances and is now just going to put people at risk when there is the next fire in any block of flats and people are streaming out of flats making the brigades job so much more difficult. A irresponsible headline just to sell newspapers, its not gutter press it's sewer rat press. Many people did die though who probably could have escaped had they not been given that advice. Some people ignored the advice and left the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Normally if there is a fire in a dwelling you leave asap. Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfustu Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 It would appear that "momentum" are hijacking these tragic events and using them to boost comrade Corbyn......the storming of Kensington council offices and the protests currently taking place seem to be being fuelled by the socialist hardliners that carried Corbyn through the recent election......naughty using a tragedy like this to make political gain. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 I was just thinking and I hope I'm wrong. Given the horror, revulsion and likely large death toll in this type of incident, it doesn't take a genius to think that ISIS extremists in UK must be thinking this as a new tactic in their war on the west. Given there are hundreds of highrise buildings with this flammable cladding I would be extremely worried if I lived in one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 hour ago, kungfustu said: It would appear that "momentum" are hijacking these tragic events and using them to boost comrade Corbyn......the storming of Kensington council offices and the protests currently taking place seem to be being fuelled by the socialist hardliners that carried Corbyn through the recent election......naughty using a tragedy like this to make political gain. I am honestly sickened by it all. The tales of heroism and community have been completely overwhelmed by the distasteful demand for vengeance of some type. The feeding frenzy by the media demanding instant answers and a scapegoat to throw under a bus. The sense of entitlement by some tenants demanding replacement property NOW and in the same borough and compensation because a fire dared to manifest in THEIR building. I know most of this is being whipped up by the lefty media and the socialist worker lot are behind the protests but (and I know I will be demonised for thinking this) I'm getting a bit sick of the moaning. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 There was a very aggressive interview by the BBC of Theresa May. Virtually blaming her for the disaster. Hardly fair. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Parley said: There was a very aggressive interview by the BBC of Theresa May. Virtually blaming her for the disaster. Hardly fair. I like TM but she is hopeless with the media Look how Mogg deals with them. He's the right man for the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Became a political pawn no soon as daylight broke sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunbury61 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 23 hours ago, Parley said: Many people did die though who probably could have escaped had they not been given that advice. Some people ignored the advice and left the building. apparently some woman on the 14th floor ...saved herself by turning all the taps on and flooding her flat ....wise move 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Quote The organiser of Friday's Grenfell Tower demonstration, in which protesters stormed Kensington Town Hall, is a Jeremy Corbyn-supporting political activist who was once arrested on suspicion of terrorism offences 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 It is a pity how political this has become and another of these 'class warfare' things. Many people came to help and that was wonderful but now there seems to be some ugly publicity and accusations flying around. Maybe they should just concentrate on getting lives back together and helping each other and leave the blame game alone? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallyman Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Only caught bits of it on radio and TV and it's a truly shocking event and thoughts are with family and friends of the victims caught up in this , but I couldn't believe what I was watching when it showed them storming the town hall , I remember the Bradford fire and it never played out like this , what has become of the uk ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 43 minutes ago, Rallyman said: Only caught bits of it on radio and TV and it's a truly shocking event and thoughts are with family and friends of the victims caught up in this , but I couldn't believe what I was watching when it showed them storming the town hall , I remember the Bradford fire and it never played out like this , what has become of the uk ? The rise of the far left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 6 hours ago, kungfustu said: It would appear that "momentum" are hijacking these tragic events and using them to boost comrade Corbyn......the storming of Kensington council offices and the protests currently taking place seem to be being fuelled by the socialist hardliners that carried Corbyn through the recent election......naughty using a tragedy like this to make political gain. Roll out the conspiracy theories... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Parley said: I was just thinking and I hope I'm wrong. Given the horror, revulsion and likely large death toll in this type of incident, it doesn't take a genius to think that ISIS extremists in UK must be thinking this as a new tactic in their war on the west. Given there are hundreds of highrise buildings with this flammable cladding I would be extremely worried if I lived in one. I said a similar thing on page one. If you remember, there were a couple of multiple death tragedies involving trucks driving into people after the drivers passed out. Then suddenly Isis started doing this. A couple of drums of petrol during the small hours of the morning and they could take out a tower block. Probably wouldn't even worry them that they are full of Asian muslims. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 5 hours ago, simmo said: I am honestly sickened by it all. The tales of heroism and community have been completely overwhelmed by the distasteful demand for vengeance of some type. The feeding frenzy by the media demanding instant answers and a scapegoat to throw under a bus. The sense of entitlement by some tenants demanding replacement property NOW and in the same borough and compensation because a fire dared to manifest in THEIR building. I know most of this is being whipped up by the lefty media and the socialist worker lot are behind the protests but (and I know I will be demonised for thinking this) I'm getting a bit sick of the moaning. Now you know how corbyn felt. Much of this is being driven by the right wing papers. Even the telegraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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