simmo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Quote Experts who have studied Laeticia’s surfboard say the damage shows all the sign of a great white shark attack, and fishermen are claiming the legally protected species are now “breeding like flies” off the coastline. CALLS for a mass killing of great white sharks has put Australian politicians at loggerheads in the wake of the tragic death of a teenage surfer. http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/793871/Great-White-Shark-teenage-surfer-death People will happily kill snakes even if the snakes are just doing their thing in their own environment (same with roos) but squirm at the thought of killing sharks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 3 hours ago, simmo said: CALLS for a mass killing of great white sharks has put Australian politicians at loggerheads in the wake of the tragic death of a teenage surfer. http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/793871/Great-White-Shark-teenage-surfer-death People will happily kill snakes even if the snakes are just doing their thing in their own environment (same with roos) but squirm at the thought of killing sharks, Actually, a lot of people kill snakes. I think we should have a cull on cars. Too many cars have been taking innocent lives. Although, with cars, we have improved technology and the deaths have reduced dramatically. Possibly we could do the same with sharks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robfromdublin Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Thousands of sharks are killed every year in Oz and it doesn't prevent shark attacks. Just suck it up and accept that people will die from sharks. It's Australia, everything kills you! There has been an increase in attacks, fair enough, but probably due to an increase in human population and interest in surfing/SUPing/kitesurfing as much as anything else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 9 hours ago, newjez said: Actually, a lot of people kill snakes. I think we should have a cull on cars. Too many cars have been taking innocent lives. Although, with cars, we have improved technology and the deaths have reduced dramatically. Possibly we could do the same with sharks? Stop sharks from driving cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 9 hours ago, newjez said: Actually, a lot of people kill snakes Exactly my point. Why OK to kill snakes but not sharks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, simmo said: Exactly my point. Why OK to kill snakes but not sharks It's not OK to kill snakes. It's just easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, simmo said: Stop sharks from driving cars? Increase technology to deter sharks from attacking people. No matter how many sharks we kill, more will come. It could even increase the likelihood if the sharks are injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I'm in two minds really. We do cull other animals like Kangaroos and Koalas from time to time. If there are that many sharks around that they are an ever present danger then yes why not cull some of their number to reduce the risk. But on the other hand Qld has other measures in place like shark nets and has had less attacks than WA that doesn't have nets. I wouldn't rule out a cull because to me human life is more important than a fish's life but I'm not convinced either way atm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amibovered Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Not many people are forced to go into the sea, don't want to risk being chomped, don't go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gbye grey sky Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 52 minutes ago, Parley said: I'm in two minds really. We do cull other animals like Kangaroos and Koalas from time to time. If there are that many sharks around that they are an ever present danger then yes why not cull some of their number to reduce the risk. But on the other hand Qld has other measures in place like shark nets and has had less attacks than WA that doesn't have nets. I wouldn't rule out a cull because to me human life is more important than a fish's life but I'm not convinced either way atm. The only way to be sure is to wipe out the species. One human life is surely worth more than a species which has achieved such evolutionary perfection that it has not needed futher adaptations in the past 100 million years. Doh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammygirl Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 They should chop down more trees on road bends. They kill more people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 9 hours ago, simmo said: Exactly my point. Why OK to kill snakes but not sharks It is illegal to kill snakes. Personally even though they have taken 2 of my fur baby's and a few chickens I wouldn't kill them but relocate instead. You can't really do that with sharks but killing them isn't the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 What really annoys me is the idiots who decide to go swimming in croc infested waters, get attacked and then everyone wants the croc killed. It's like saying jump in the middle of the road in front of a car doing 100k and then kill the driver because he shouldn't have been on the road. It's insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said: The only way to be sure is to wipe out the species. One human life is surely worth more than a species which has achieved such evolutionary perfection that it has not needed futher adaptations in the past 100 million years. Doh! No need to be silly about it. What about the hundreds of thousands of dogs and cats that get put down every year mot to mention chickens, sheep, cows and pigs. What is so special about a shark that it must never be culled ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robfromdublin Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 It's the ecological impact with sharks. By removing a top-level (apex) predator you have untold impacts on the underlying ecosystem. Removing lower-level animals doesn't usually have the same impact. http://www.livescience.com/4171-top-predators-key-ecosystem-survival-study-shows.html Also on the Qld nets. Their method of working is by killing sharks (and other wildlife). They are not barriers to the beaches because they are only about 180m long and 3m deep; sharks can swim round them. I think from memory something like 11,000 animals have been killed by them (sharks, dolphins, whales, turtles, fish, etc.) so they are pretty much equivalent to a culling program but more indiscriminate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bound4Tassie Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-39639387 I agree with rob fromdublin.....taking out the apex predator leads to proliferation of the next level predator...no they might not be man eaters but if left unchecked they can decimate other fish /species . Ecological nightmare. Aren't we doing enough damage to our seas with over fishing ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Every species needs a predator to control its numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandgroper Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 To be honest there hasn't been any 'calls for mass killing great whites' in WA bit of fake news from the Express no suprise there then. The sad death of that young lady has got people discussing how best to deal with the shark threat but definately no huge demonstrations or shark lynch mobs roaming the street from what I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I'm scared of bears. I won't go anywhere near where bears live. Do I want them culled? No. Sharks? I'll take my chances. And the chances are pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 12 hours ago, newjez said: I'm scared of bears. I won't go anywhere near where bears live. Do I want them culled? No. Sharks? I'll take my chances. And the chances are pretty good. If you lived in US or Canada near where the bears live you will find the rangers will very quickly kill a bear that attacks humans or is an ongoing threat to humans. And I'm sure you would happily kill any animal that was threatening you or one of your children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 48 minutes ago, Parley said: If you lived in US or Canada near where the bears live you will find the rangers will very quickly kill a bear that attacks humans or is an ongoing threat to humans. And I'm sure you would happily kill any animal that was threatening you or one of your children. I see self defense as very different to culling. If a homeless drug addict breaks into my house, I wouldn't fancy their chances. But I don't roam the streets culling homeless drug addicts, just on the off chance they may break into my home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Your analogies are no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest263228 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 On 20/04/2017 at 1:20 AM, simmo said: CALLS for a mass killing of great white sharks has put Australian politicians at loggerheads in the wake of the tragic death of a teenage surfer. http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/793871/Great-White-Shark-teenage-surfer-death People will happily kill snakes even if the snakes are just doing their thing in their own environment (same with roos) but squirm at the thought of killing sharks, There was a shark not ten metres of a popular Perth beach a few days ago. Shark sightings are far more frequent in recent years. The killing rate of humans by sharks in WA alone numbers some 17 since 2000 from memory. I for one do not see why the Great White remains a protected species. I have been to Cottesloe Beach during 'Save the Shark Protests' where thousands turned out in horror at the prospect. Yet I've yet to see more than a few hundred turn up in protest at assaults by government regressing the human condition by cuts to services and conditions. Our most famous icon, the kangaroo is culled without mercy, for doing what comes naturally to it. Never heard a roo take a human life due to attack. Our fishermen say they have never seen so many sharks in our waters. Of course the shark has a very valid position within our eco system. Just they shouldn't be valued any more so nor in a position where their numbers overwhelm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest263228 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 55 minutes ago, newjez said: I see self defense as very different to culling. If a homeless drug addict breaks into my house, I wouldn't fancy their chances. But I don't roam the streets culling homeless drug addicts, just on the off chance they may break into my home. Perhaps a little emotional raw on the subject of culling, if comparing culling humans with sharks?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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