Guest Guest26012 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Just to add, I wouldn't move over on a 457 temporary visa in your situation tbh. Can you not apply for a permanent visa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney13 Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share Posted July 13, 2013 Just to add, I wouldn't move over on a 457 temporary visa in your situation tbh. Can you not apply for a permanent visa? I can't come over as skill I have is more company specific and experience from head office in the uk as opposed to on paper skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Good luck. I would also look into seeing what the criteria would be if you apply for PR down the line just to see if it is a potential problem if the rules are even stricter. I know you say about being ok if it doesn't work out but it is tough in the interim waiting. We are over on a 457 and knew the risks, but we are really happy here and will be devastated if we had to leave. It is the uncertainty that is really difficult too - redundancies have come through DH's company a couple of times and it's a very stressful time. Anyway just make sure you have really thought about it and I really would get some advice about the longer term options so you have the full picture. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollegeGirl Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 I'm a client of George Lombard's myself, so I admit I'm a bit biased. But I really suggest contacting him and seeing if there's anything he can do for you at this point. He'll answer you honestly, and if there's nothing he can do he'll tell you. Can't hurt to try. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 I can't come over as skill I have is more company specific and experience from head office in the uk as opposed to on paper skills I really want to probe this comment because I don't understand it. If your skill qualifies for a 457 visa, then it must be on the CSOL at least and if it is on the CSOL then it qualifies for skilled migration with a state sponsor. It also must qualify for a permanent employer sponsored visa, the 186 or 187. S o what exactly do you mean, because like others, I really think you need to be thinking about a permanent visa and finding out once and for all if your son can get it, rather than finding out down the track that he cannot. Passing medicals for the PR visa is even harder than passing for the 457 visa. Having said that, I also think that Sammy makes a good point, post # 23. The care and support in UK is way above what will be provided in Australia and you are giving this up because of a misconception about the weather and you think it doesn't rain here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 The 457 doesn't always require the skills assessment rupert. For the 457 they will grant visas in the circumstances where it says things like 'five years experience can sometimes be equivalent to the qualification'. Generally for the skills assessment that experience isn't always accepted, so people in the ops position have no choice but the 457 visa for two years and then to apply for pr. I also recommend George Lombard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 The 457 doesn't always require the skills assessment rupert. For the 457 they will grant visas in the circumstances where it says things like 'five years experience can sometimes be equivalent to the qualification'. Generally for the skills assessment that experience isn't always accepted, so people in the ops position have no choice but the 457 visa for two years and then to apply for pr. I also recommend George Lombard. I know, but I didn't see OP say "I can't pass skills assessment". I am just trying to clarify what they did mean and if it was that, just to ensure no stones are left unturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan20 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I really want to probe this comment because I don't understand it. If your skill qualifies for a 457 visa, then it must be on the CSOL at least and if it is on the CSOL then it qualifies for skilled migration with a state sponsor. It also must qualify for a permanent employer sponsored visa, the 186 or 187. So what exactly do you mean, because like others, I really think you need to be thinking about a permanent visa and finding out once and for all if your son can get it, rather than finding out down the track that he cannot. Passing medicals for the PR visa is even harder than passing for the 457 visa. Having said that, I also think that Sammy makes a good point, post # 23. The care and support in UK is way above what will be provided in Australia and you are giving this up because of a misconception about the weather and you think it doesn't rain here.... I know people who have come over on this occupation · Engineering Professional nec (not elsewhere classified) So it is perfectly understandable that people might feel as Sydney13 does that their skill is more company specific. As for the medical, one of the Engineers here who has just got his PR said that the medical for the 457 was a lot harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney13 Posted July 14, 2013 Author Share Posted July 14, 2013 I really want to probe this comment because I don't understand it. If your skill qualifies for a 457 visa, then it must be on the CSOL at least and if it is on the CSOL then it qualifies for skilled migration with a state sponsor. It also must qualify for a permanent employer sponsored visa, the 186 or 187. S o what exactly do you mean, because like others, I really think you need to be thinking about a permanent visa and finding out once and for all if your son can get it, rather than finding out down the track that he cannot. Passing medicals for the PR visa is even harder than passing for the 457 visa. Having said that, I also think that Sammy makes a good point, post # 23. The care and support in UK is way above what will be provided in Australia and you are giving this up because of a misconception about the weather and you think it doesn't rain here.... Ok apologies I worded it wrongly in the company will only sponsor on 457 for now, I have no misconception I am aware it rains bike but compared to Scotland the outdoor life due to the weather and opportunities available are incomparable that said this post is not to justify my move but to see if others have experienced such as I am now and can offer constructive advice as some very kindly have and not for my decision to be judged as nobody knows the complete instead and outs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan20 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Sydney13, no matter how much research you do, you'll never find out every bit of information on the move. Our son has got access to services because my wife went out and got to meet people. Because you are on a 457 visa you will not get access to every service available, but get out and talk to people. People have been very helpful and understanding and have advised us who to talk to, who will help smooth our path. If I were you, I would get in touch with these people Williams Syndrome Association of SA Inc Tel. (08) 8258 3867 or (08) 8285 3776 Victorian Clinical Genetics Services Tel. (03) 8341 6200 Better Start for Children with a Disability Tel. 1800 242 636 http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Williams_syndrome You may not be heading to Victoria, but they would know who to speak to in the State that you are going to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Ok apologies I worded it wrongly in the company will only sponsor on 457 for now, I have no misconception I am aware it rains bike but compared to Scotland the outdoor life due to the weather and opportunities available are incomparable that said this post is not to justify my move but to see if others have experienced such as I am now and can offer constructive advice as some very kindly have and not for my decision to be judged as nobody knows the complete instead and outs You don't live here, you may not have spent years reading around immigration forums and just not be aware of what services are like and indeed many people have no idea about the weather either. So chill out and just try to take comments for what they are, which is genuine advice. Judge / judging the most over used words on PIO. Again. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I know people who have come over on this occupation · Engineering Professional nec (not elsewhere classified) So it is perfectly understandable that people might feel as Sydney13 does that their skill is more company specific. As for the medical, one of the Engineers here who has just got his PR said that the medical for the 457 was a lot harder. Reading your posts, some of the "advice" that you dish out is very poor and very ill-informed I would disagree about the medical someone has just started work with us on a 457 and their medical was no different than the medical we had for PR .. so this may be down to particular doctors/countries rather than the medical itself which will have set criteria to be fulfilled for all applicants e.g. BP, height etc., In defence of Rupert - a lot of people find her information helpful, she doesn't profess to be a migration agent and the site is more than happy if you have migration advice to share although we do remind people that our members are not professionals - quite often members will post information that is more up-to-date - so please do post if you have more relevant information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan20 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 So Rupert posts that "Passing medicals for the PR visa is even harder than passing for the 457 visa", which you knew to be untrue, I point it out, and a you come in all guns blazing. Why didn't you point out that the "advice" that Rupert had posted was untrue?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 So Rupert posts that "Passing medicals for the PR visa is even harder than passing for the 457 visa", which you knew to be untrue, I point it out, and a you come in all guns blazing. Why didn't you point out that the "advice" that Rupert had posted was untrue?? You seem very quick to criticise. Can you please tell me how many members you have helped to successfully gain their visa? How many members have you helped with your 108 posts? Now please, you have got your point across, lets move on. Nobody is perfect and if someone wants perfection maybe they should be asking and paying for a migration agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy1 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 So Rupert posts that "Passing medicals for the PR visa is even harder than passing for the 457 visa", which you knew to be untrue, I point it out, and a you come in all guns blazing. Why didn't you point out that the "advice" that Rupert had posted was untrue?? Think logically for a moment. A medical for PR is very likely to be harder than a 457 simply because the applicant is intending to stay in Australia permanently rather than temporarily, thus using medical services on a long term basis. What Rupert said was not 'untrue', she was not seeking to lie, it was merely an opinion based on some logical thought. I remember that I had to go through a few hoops because I have a heart murmur - one that is considered completely normal and safe, but nonetheless specialist reports were required before I could pass and get PR. Any person that has extra medical needs will face much scrutiny - that's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan20 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Some posterpointed out on this site a few weeks ago that there are preferred posters,posters who can say what they want with impunity. That seems to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan20 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Think logically for a moment. A medical for PR is very likely to be harder than a 457 simply because the applicant is intending to stay in Australia permanently rather than temporarily, thus using medical services on a long term basis. What Rupert said was not 'untrue', she was not seeking to lie, it was merely an opinion based on some logical thought. I remember that I had to go through a few hoops because I have a heart murmur - one that is considered completely normal and safe, but nonetheless specialist reports were required before I could pass and get PR. Any person that has extra medical needs will face much scrutiny - that's a fact. Anecdotal evidence suggests that that is not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Some posterpointed out on this site a few weeks ago that there are preferred posters,posters who can say what they want with impunity. That seems to be true You to can say what you like as long as its within the forum rules. Now I won't ask again please move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 If you want verification on how difficult it can be with a disabled child then just have a read in the forum plenty of information. Also do a google and see the people who have not been able to become permanent residents here because of the disability of a family member and cost to the nation. Is it worth taking the risk, as long as you have deep pockets guess its not a problem. Too late once you come and find out the State you are going to live in has different rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Pom Queen Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 If you want verification on how difficult it can be with a disabled child then just have a read in the forum plenty of information. Also do a google and see the people who have not been able to become permanent residents here because of the disability of a family member and cost to the nation. Is it worth taking the risk, as long as you have deep pockets guess its not a problem. Too late once you come and find out the State you are going to live in has different rules. Totally agree, I know a few people who have been granted the temp visa but refused PR because of a disability. Personally I wouldn't risk it unless you really do only want a few years away from the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus1 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Some posterpointed out on this site a few weeks ago that there are preferred posters,posters who can say what they want with impunity. That seems to be true I certainly think there are 'preferred posters', I would define them as posters who are helpful, respect other members and follow the forum guidelines, conversely, posters who make personal comments and baseless accusations would not fall into the 'preferred poster' category. Now if you've any problems with members or content on the forum, your feedback is welcome via the correct channels. Perhaps now we could return to the subject matter. Rob Admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan20 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Australian immigration law loosens criteria for disabled migrants http://www.visabureau.com/australia/news/02-11-2012/australian-immigration-law-loosens-criteria-for-disabled-migrants.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Medicals are harder for pr than for temp visas except for if you work with children or in a hospital. FACT! I have had Medicals for temp visas (three different ones) and for pr. I never needed blood tests for the temp visas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blossom Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Ok apologies I worded it wrongly in the company will only sponsor on 457 for now, I have no misconception I am aware it rains bike but compared to Scotland the outdoor life due to the weather and opportunities available are incomparable that said this post is not to justify my move but to see if others have experienced such as I am now and can offer constructive advice as some very kindly have and not for my decision to be judged as nobody knows the complete instead and outs Have you looked to see if your occupation is on the states list for sponsorship? If it is and you can pass a skills assessment then I would 100% do that rather than a 457 visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebloggs Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I know people who have come over on this occupation · Engineering Professional nec (not elsewhere classified) So it is perfectly understandable that people might feel as Sydney13 does that their skill is more company specific. As for the medical, one of the Engineers here who has just got his PR said that the medical for the 457 was a lot harder. Made me laugh Been through them both them and PR was definitely harder, they don't even X-Ray or do a medical on a 457 anyway unless like me you work in a hospital or with children. On PR medical they took 3 tubes of blood and a chest x-ray plus a full body check and questioned me on how I got my scars. For 457 it was a chest X-Ray and bloods, didn't even take of my shirt off and for most occupations the above is not even necessary. As some one says above for PR it's definitely more serious business than a temporary work permit that you could pull out of an Xmas cracker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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