wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I suggest you need to chill Wakey,im perfectly calm,wasnt my post with !!!!! all over it,im chilled because im pretty certain theyre gone come the electionThe sooner you tories realise that whoever was in power in 08 would have struggled the better too Thanks for the advice Pabs but I can't find my post with exclamation marks all over it, I have found one with question marks though. I'm not a Tory either. I think all the politicians are only in it for them selves I don't really have a particular 100% preference. I do like though how much the Tories do upset you labour lot though. Considering labour isn't really the labour party any more are they? As for the 08 comment, maybe have a read of my old posts where I have said all along that whoever would have been in power now would have struggled. Anyway enough said, there's no point getting worked up about something that as individuals we have no control over. All the parties will screw you one way or another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Thanks for the advice Pabs but I can't find my post with exclamation marks all over it, I have found one with question marks though. I'm not a Tory either. I think all the politicians are only in it for them selves I don't really have a particular 100% preference. I do like though how much the Tories do upset you labour lot though. Considering labour isn't really the labour party any more are they? As for the 08 comment, maybe have a read of my old posts where I have said all along that whoever would have been in power now would have struggled. Anyway enough said, there's no point getting worked up about something that as individuals we have no control over. All the parties will screw you one way or another Ok,loads of question marks then,and an assertion that "im taking out of it for my own agenda",and a "re read my post again!",so it looks like politics works you up as much as you assume it works me up eh No,theyre not the socialists of old,they wouldnt get in if they were i dont suppose,still more interested in the majority than the Tory party tho wakey Considering your not a tory you seem to do a lot of arguing against Labour mate Like the other day,when i pointed out that all the work i done when they were in power was on public services,hospitals,schools and the like? A period of 13 years,yet for some reason you pointed out me working on Liverpool one,and i pointed out that was a ten month period out of the 13 years,if your not a tory,you deffo come across as anti Labour/socialist,call it what you will,each to their own tho,san fairy ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 What does San fairy Ann mean? I don't really like labour, you are right. I think they are no longer who they think they are yet you labour guys still seem to think so. They will screw you at the first opportunity they get if they have to. I guess my time in the construction industry in Aus with the unions and their labour BS they sprout has left a sour taste in my mouth. Your right I did point out about you working on Liverpool one because you said you had done all your work on government projects. So as much as you despise the British monarchy and what you believe are Tory values/class system you have worked on a job that has been associated with both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) What does San fairy Ann mean? #Doesnt matter kinda thing# I don't really like labour, you are right. I think they are no longer who they think they are yet you labour guys still seem to think so. They will screw you at the first opportunity they get if they have to. I guess my time in the construction industry in Aus with the unions and their labour BS they sprout has left a sour taste in my mouth. Your right I did point out about you working on Liverpool one because you said you had done all your work on government projects. So as much as you despise the British monarchy and what you believe are Tory values/class system you have worked on a job that has been associated with both No,i know you dont like Labour,its obvious,fair enough,its your choice,as it is mine to respond to your thoughts on them and yours to respond to me I dont know what you mean by "screw you the first opportunity they get",what,more than the tories? i havent any experience of unions in Aus,so cant comment,but yes there were unions who went OTT here in the past,but then so did a lot of companies go OTT in the way they treated the workforce,so "in general" i support them So you dont think it was a bit picky/selective picking me up on the fact i had said i had done "all" my work on public services then? because being straight,i do. It was 10 months out of 13 years,maybe a few other domestics thrown in as well,point being the "vast majority" of my work was public services,bit churlish of you to highlight a small period Wakey So now im a hypocrite for working for Grosvenor am i?is that what youre saying? Because they are a company like any other to me,but youre saying because the Duke of Westminster owns them i shouldnt have worked for them, me being anti royalty? Again,i think youre being a bit churlish Wakey,i also done a lot of work for Ballast Wilshire,they were owned by some foreign king i think,who cares,they are still just a company to me You carry on trying to point score mate,it doesnt paint you in a good light tho Edited March 23, 2013 by pablo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Not out to score points Pabs, don't need to really and especially not on an Internet forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Not out to score points Pabs, don't need to really and especially not on an Internet forum. You are tho Wakey,why else point out im anti royalty but worked for grovesnor who are owned by the duke of Westminster? Im just cutting through the inferences you are making and asking you straight,are you saying im a hypocrite?because i cant see what else youre getting at If i only worked for companies that "didnt" have some lord or other at the company boardroom level i wouldnt get much work would i? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Tories raped the uk , cut the industrial heart out of Britain , so the wicked witches mates could take their business abroad and pay peanuts then sell it Europe wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 You are tho Wakey,why else point out im anti royalty but worked for grovesnor who are owned by the duke of Westminster?Im just cutting through the inferences you are making and asking you straight,are you saying im a hypocrite?because i cant see what else youre getting at If i only worked for companies that "didnt" have some lord or other at the company boardroom level i wouldnt get much work would i? If you say so Pabs I must be. Why would I be inferring that you are a hypocrite? If that was the case them myself and probably everyone else on this forum would be guilty of being a hypocrite in some shape or form. You can voice your opinions all you want but what I was trying to point out is that you have not only worked on jobs that were bought about by labour, the same way that I haven't only worked on jobs bought about by individuals with money. So again no I'm not calling you a hypocrite but nearly trying to get you to see that 1, it's not only labour that were building thing when the going was good, people with money were and still are and 2, you like everyone else will work where and when they have to to earn a crust even if its helping people/organisations you may not necessarily like make more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 This is interesting from 3 years ago. £1.4t by 2014-15, that's only 1 year away http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jun/07/david-cameron-debt-interest-deficit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Anyway this weather is being a bit unseasonal, a nice bit of snow but shouldnt last too long. Its expected to get warmer from the end of the week but we will have to wait and see I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 If you say so Pabs I must be. Why would I be inferring that you are a hypocrite? If that was the case them myself and probably everyone else on this forum would be guilty of being a hypocrite in some shape or form. You can voice your opinions all you want but what I was trying to point out is that you have not only worked on jobs that were bought about by labour, the same way that I haven't only worked on jobs bought about by individuals with money. So again no I'm not calling you a hypocrite but nearly trying to get you to see that 1, it's not only labour that were building thing when the going was good, people with money were and still are and 2, you like everyone else will work where and when they have to to earn a crust even if its helping people/organisations you may not necessarily like make more money. You cant see that "pointing out" im anti royalist/tory but worked for a company owned by the duke of westminster isnt infering im a hypocrite?seriously you cant see that? Not "once" have i ever said ive "only" ever worked on Labour funded contracts,i just pointed out that nearly all my work under their gvnmt was on public services,you decided to pick me up because i worked on Liverpool one,which ive never hidden and nor would i,again its point scoring,dress it up any way you want,im just being straight,you know it was point scoring,i dont know why you dont just admit it,its obvious,these things happen when yer disagreeing,its no big deal to me,but i stand by it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Anyway this weather is being a bit unseasonal, a nice bit of snow but shouldnt last too long. Its expected to get warmer from the end of the week but we will have to wait and see I suppose Its shlt. Where is spring. This time last year was t shirt weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Its shlt. Where is spring. This time last year was t shirt weather. Spring is just around the corner. I was in a tshirt a few weeks ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 You cant see that "pointing out" im anti royalist/tory but worked for a company owned by the duke of westminster isnt infering im a hypocrite?seriously you cant see that? Not "once" have i ever said ive "only" ever worked on Labour funded contracts,i just pointed out that nearly all my work under their gvnmt was on public services,you decided to pick me up because i worked on Liverpool one,which ive never hidden and nor would i,again its point scoring,dress it up any way you want,im just being straight,you know it was point scoring,i dont know why you dont just admit it,its obvious,these things happen when yer disagreeing,its no big deal to me,but i stand by it I can see why you would think that, but as I have already explained, by me calling you a hypocrite would mean that I would in fact be one along with just about everyone on here. I explained myself enough in the previous post. Not point scoring at all, like i said, why do i need to? And read your post from the other day, you said all of your work had been on government contracts, I'm pointing out that it hadn't been. Just like you point out discrepancies in people's posts re the debt that the UK is in. Anyway, back to something along the lines of the OP, what position do you think the UK would be in now if Labour had won the last election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Spring is just around the corner. I was in a tshirt a few weeks ago We could have just about been in t shirts the first week after New Years. Summer should be just around the corner, not spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que Sera Sera Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Mmm a bit like sticking your fingers in your ears and saying Lalala when you've lost an argument me thinks . Good on you Pablo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I can see why you would think that, but as I have already explained, by me calling you a hypocrite would mean that I would in fact be one along with just about everyone on here. I explained myself enough in the previous post. Not point scoring at all, like i said, why do i need to? And read your post from the other day, you said all of your work had been on government contracts, I'm pointing out that it hadn't been. Just like you point out discrepancies in people's posts re the debt that the UK is in. Anyway, back to something along the lines of the OP, what position do you think the UK would be in now if Labour had won the last election? Good! i do think that yes. Why would you try and point score?because we are disagreeing about a debate were having,thats what happens sometimes......people have a dig at the people they are disagreeing with to prove a point... Turn it in wakey,stop being such a pedant,the "vast majority" of my work then,is that better?jesus wept... Probably about 9/10 years worth,thats a rough estimate I think we'd still be in the crap if Labour won,but i know they wouldnt have cut as quickly or severely,i would hope that they wouldnt have brought out crazy schemes like the bedroom tax,but who knows I would also hope that there wouldve been growth before they started the cuts,they were in growth when they lost the election anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris955 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 We could have just about been in t shirts the first week after New Years. Summer should be just around the corner, not spring. No, summer is around the next corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Good! i do think that yes.Why would you try and point score?because we are disagreeing about a debate were having,thats what happens sometimes......people have a dig at the people they are disagreeing with to prove a point... Turn it in wakey,stop being such a pedant,the "vast majority" of my work then,is that better?jesus wept... Probably about 9/10 years worth,thats a rough estimate I think we'd still be in the crap if Labour won,but i know they wouldnt have cut as quickly or severely,i would hope that they wouldnt have brought out crazy schemes like the bedroom tax,but who knows I would also hope that there wouldve been growth before they started the cuts,they were in growth when they lost the election anyway So because we were disagreeing I had a dig at you? I raised the point the other day as well and we weren't disagreeing then, or were we? I also know that someone is getting frustrated when they start swearing in a disagreement as well, and what does Jesus have to do with all this? They may have been in growth but a what cost? And I would hazard a guess to say that we would probably be in more debt now if labour had won and continued spending. What has happened was always going to happen, especially with what is going on over on mainland Europe. And things won't improve until things start improving there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeboard1980 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 So with regards to the bedroom tax do you think that it's fair that people with more children than bedrooms should be cramped into a small house whilst people have spare bedrooms in theirs? and yes I know there are exceptions but do you not agree with the general principle of people getting free or assisted housing only being in a house with bedrooms that are used every night of the week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 So because we were disagreeing I had a dig at you? I raised the point the other day as well and we weren't disagreeing then, or were we? I also know that someone is getting frustrated when they start swearing in a disagreement as well, and what does Jesus have to do with all this? They may have been in growth but a what cost? And I would hazard a guess to say that we would probably be in more debt now if labour had won and continued spending. What has happened was always going to happen, especially with what is going on over on mainland Europe. And things won't improve until things start improving there. Im not swearing in a disagreement,im swearing at you being so pedantic,anyone reading this thread would only draw one conclusion from you pointing out im "anti royal/tory,yet worked for Grosvenor",and that is that you were point scoring,i stand by that 100%,i dont know why you keep digging,it couldnt be more obvious Im not at all frustrated mate,because youre not arguing your point very well tbh,so no,not frustrated at all So its Europes fault again?or the snow?or the royal wedding,the list of excuses is endless You can "hazard a guess" about Labour all you want,were 300 billion "more" in debt since the coalition took power,thats a fact,not guesswork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Andy Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Theres loads of articles saying the debt has risen from 811 billion to 1,111 billion under the tories Andy,its not me making it up,i just think people are very selective on here,thats all,the uk debt was used all the time to slate Labour,yet nobody mentions it when this crowd are in power,i dont think thats right,anyway,ive said me piece,enough from me,cba with it anymore I am not/was not suggesting you were making it up as i don't think that for a minute, i was just thinking that in order to answer the question to be able to read an article would be beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 So with regards to the bedroom tax do you think that it's fair that people with more children than bedrooms should be cramped into a small house whilst people have spare bedrooms in theirs? and yes I know there are exceptions but do you not agree with the general principle of people getting free or assisted housing only being in a house with bedrooms that are used every night of the week? Theres 7 thousand people in Newcastle alone with a spare bedroom,there is 50 one bedroom flats available,how do you resolve that one then wakey? In an ideal world everyone would have the right amount of bedrooms for occupants yes,but what about separated parents who have a spare room their estranged kids stay in of a weekend? People who need care sometimes who have a carer stay?its a ridiculous concept,and one that attacks the poorest again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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