Guest rajinmelb Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 is that it? only 91 submissions? Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee: Migration Amendment (Visa Capping) Bill 2010 [Provisions]: Submissions Received Few of my friends had submitted their concerns, but i am just confused why only one of them got the eamil back from the parliament giving it some ref no. Why did other mails didn't got the refrence nos!!!!!!!!!!! can anybody answer that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hi Gill, Well, my opinion is that, if it is DIAC's intention to only cap and cease applicants of those who attended dodgy colleges, the Bill should clearly state this. Why should you make something so general if you have such clear intentions ?? If there are any amendments to be made in the future, they can always be made BUT and there is a BIG BUT... if you are acting against the 'so called dodgy applicants' why hasn't the Government as yet, acted against these dodgy colleges ? My sister was a victim of one of these. She had joined a college recommended by an Education agent and after a month of joining realized that she had been cheated. She complained to DIAC and they made her give a written statement, but for reasons best know to DIAC, no known action was ever taken against this college and the college is still in existence. She left the college after one term (she needed time to decide what she should do next and she had already anyway paid the term fees) and did not join another for the fear of being cheated again and also putting herself into a worst financial situation. She obtained her PR with her Bachelor's Degree she obtained in India and her work experience from a Multinational. I think there is more than just 'dodgy applicants'. He wants the leeway of attacking any application that he believes that 'Australia can do without' and act accordingly without any repurcussions of his guilty actions. This is just my opinion and any other suggestions are welcome. Hi Ozzieland I totally agree with you. Julie Beaumont, the British hairdressing ex-Student interviewed by Peter Mares, said that the first Hairdressing 'college' that she attended was nothing more than a visa factory. She complained to DIAC, who told her that she could switch to a new College (which she did,) However Julie said that the visa factory college is still operating and as far as she knows, nobody has ever done anything about it. Delivering a rubbish education to International Students will hit Australia in the gonads as far as its reputation is concerned, just as much as losing the fee income will hit Australia in the financial gonads as well. If they refuse to clean up their tertiary International Education system then they have only themselves to blame. In my opinion it is totally wrong to visit Australia's own shortcomings on to the International Students from other countries. Sure, some of them may have studied in Oz with a view to obtaining PR in Oz but they sure as hell weren't counting on the idea that their so-called "education" in Oz would cost them a fortune but would be such rubbish that they would be unemployable in Oz afterwards except in the most menial, low paid jobs. The Minister is dreaming if he imagines that the Students set out to throw money away on meaningless "educations" in Oz. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzieland Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hi Ozzieland I totally agree with you. Julie Beaumont, the British hairdressing ex-Student interviewed by Peter Mares, said that the first Hairdressing 'college' that she attended was nothing more than a visa factory. She complained to DIAC, who told her that she could switch to a new College (which she did,) However Julie said that the visa factory college is still operating and as far as she knows, nobody has ever done anything about it. Delivering a rubbish education to International Students will hit Australia in the gonads as far as its reputation is concerned, just as much as losing the fee income will hit Australia in the financial gonads as well. If they refuse to clean up their tertiary International Education system then they have only themselves to blame. In my opinion it is totally wrong to visit Australia's own shortcomings on to the International Students from other countries. Sure, some of them may have studied in Oz with a view to obtaining PR in Oz but they sure as hell weren't counting on the idea that their so-called "education" in Oz would cost them a fortune but would be such rubbish that they would be unemployable in Oz afterwards except in the most menial, low paid jobs. The Minister is dreaming if he imagines that the Students set out to throw money away on meaningless "educations" in Oz. Cheers Gill I heard Julie Beaumont's story and there are many like her and my sister who have reported these colleges to DIAC. I fail to understand the reason why action hasn't been taken against these colleges. Besides these colleges / Institutes are all 'CRICOS' recognized / Government Recognized as you cannot get a student visa unless you have enrolled for a Cricos course which are available in these Cricos colleges / institutes. I am appalled to say the least at how the Government is handling this situation. This Bill is definitely not aimed at only the students. The students are a nice diversion from the reality otherwise the Bill would have clearly mentioned the intentions the Government has in mind. What Chris Evans has in mind is not good for Australia especially since he is playing around with the lives of many. This is not a game but a livelihood that the middle class working man has invested in to help their families have a better life. If he believes he can get away from this because we are offshore applicants, he is highly mistaken, I believe there is someone higher watching our every move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Thanks reddragon,There are only 91 submissions on this senate committee. Well, I am very sad to tell u that most of the guys who are waiting for last so many years ,do not believe this Senate Committee. Well, If Minister wants to go ahead with the bill be will find some way out for implementing this law. So this senate Committee is of no use. This Committee is a puppet in the hands of Minister as he is in majority in the parliament. What is happening in the Australian parliament behind the door, no body knows about that. So personally I do not believe much from this Committee. I had gone thru so much hard time during this waiting period I do not believe anyone. Hi VB I hear you 100%. I am also conscious that George Lombard has said, several times, that whenever the sitting Government in Oz tries to introduce new legislation shortly before a General Election, the Government usually gets whatever it wants without too much hassle. With regard to the 91 Submissions so far, the MIA said that they intend to make a Submission. Theirs would not be confidential or "name witheld" so I assume that the MIA's submission has not been published as yet. I was going to send my own submission yesterday morning (UK time) to make sure that it would reach Canberra before midnight AEST. However I had the Morning From Hell with various workmen visiting my flat. The Gas Expert tried to tell me that there was "nothing wrong" with the new central heating system that was installed about 6 weeks ago. I told him that there was definitely something wrong with it because the rad in the main bedroom suddenly specialises in remaining resolutely cold when it used to get blisteringly hot. A bit later, I saw him attacking one end of the rad with a huge great spanner, after which he shut up about his "nothing wrong" theory, having realised that there was an air-lock in the system, as I had suspected. Meanwhile the guy who fitted the riser bar for the new shower fitted it upside down. That meant that the widget that holds the shower head was also upside down. Consequently the shower hose did not fit into the widget properly. The guy then told me that he thought the new arrangement was "not very good." With strict instructions to him not to touch the taps, I got into the shower myself for a look. I suggested that the arrangement would be greatly improved by fitting the bluddy thing the correct way up. He seemed surprised by this revelation but agreed that it might be worth a go. Needless to say, the whole thing now works perfectly so it is a good thing that I decided to spend yesterday at home..... These two were accompanied by the Floor Finisher, the Electrician, the Rubbish Removalist and the bathroom fitters' supervisor so it was complete chaos anyway, without the Gas man contradicting me and the Fixtures & Fittings man fitting widgets upside down. It was like a zoo and quite impossible to concentrate on doing anything else at the same time. I plan to lob my Submission off tomorrow morning. If they don't publish it then they don't - I am only going to add my complaints to all of the others anyway. However apparently Senator Nick Xenophon and somebody else might be able to get the Visa Capping Bill stopped. His website is here: Nick Xenophon - Independent Senator for South Australia Alan Collett has mentioned Senator Xenophon and another Senator in one of his posts. Apparently these two men might be able to join forces and attract enough support to stop the iniquitous new Bill. I can't remember the name of the other Senator but it was definitely Alan Collett who mentioned their names on PiO so I plan to find Alan's post and lobby these two Senators next. I might not win but at least I will have tried. Don't abandon hope, hon! Hugs Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Global Girl Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Please see the following link.Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee: Migration Amendment (Visa Capping) Bill 2010 [Provisions]: Information about the Inquiry There is an extension to submission dates until 18th June.Date for reporting is 15th June and they will be asking for an extension until August. I'm sure there is more submissions yet to be published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug family Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Originally Posted by jigish I think it's quite clear that medical and IT professions will be exempted, and the chopping will be done on trade occupations. What say, guys?? Well Jigish .. i can only guess like everyone else including yourself, but what I do know is that Western Australia has multi billion dollar construction contracts up in the north ... i.e a Lot of trades required, not i.t or medical... unless you can weld that is :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHANO7 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hi VB I hear you 100%. I am also conscious that George Lombard has said, several times, that whenever the sitting Government in Oz tries to introduce new legislation shortly before a General Election, the Government usually gets whatever it wants without too much hassle. With regard to the 91 Submissions so far, the MIA said that they intend to make a Submission. Theirs would not be confidential or "name witheld" so I assume that the MIA's submission has not been published as yet. I was going to send my own submission yesterday morning (UK time) to make sure that it would reach Canberra before midnight AEST. However I had the Morning From Hell with various workmen visiting my flat. The Gas Expert tried to tell me that there was "nothing wrong" with the new central heating system that was installed about 6 weeks ago. I told him that there was definitely something wrong with it because the rad in the main bedroom suddenly specialises in remaining resolutely cold when it used to get blisteringly hot. A bit later, I saw him attacking one end of the rad with a huge great spanner, after which he shut up about his "nothing wrong" theory, having realised that there was an air-lock in the system, as I had suspected. Meanwhile the guy who fitted the riser bar for the new shower fitted it upside down. That meant that the widget that holds the shower head was also upside down. Consequently the shower hose did not fit into the widget properly. The guy then told me that he thought the new arrangement was "not very good." With strict instructions to him not to touch the taps, I got into the shower myself for a look. I suggested that the arrangement would be greatly improved by fitting the bluddy thing the correct way up. He seemed surprised by this revelation but agreed that it might be worth a go. Needless to say, the whole thing now works perfectly so it is a good thing that I decided to spend yesterday at home..... These two were accompanied by the Floor Finisher, the Electrician, the Rubbish Removalist and the bathroom fitters' supervisor so it was complete chaos anyway, without the Gas man contradicting me and the Fixtures & Fittings man fitting widgets upside down. It was like a zoo and quite impossible to concentrate on doing anything else at the same time. I plan to lob my Submission off tomorrow morning. If they don't publish it then they don't - I am only going to add my complaints to all of the others anyway. However apparently Senator Nick Xenophon and somebody else might be able to get the Visa Capping Bill stopped. His website is here: Nick Xenophon - Independent Senator for South Australia Alan Collett has mentioned Senator Xenophon and another Senator in one of his posts. Apparently these two men might be able to join forces and attract enough support to stop the iniquitous new Bill. I can't remember the name of the other Senator but it was definitely Alan Collett who mentioned their names on PiO so I plan to find Alan's post and lobby these two Senators next. I might not win but at least I will have tried. Don't abandon hope, hon! Hugs Gill Hi Gill The other was Senator Fielding. I sent an email to both attaching the letter that I sumbitted to the Senate Enquiry. No reply as yet though ? It sounds like you had the whole SOL list at yout house today :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHANO7 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Please see the following link.Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee: Migration Amendment (Visa Capping) Bill 2010 [Provisions]: Information about the Inquiry There is an extension to submission dates until 18th June.Date for reporting is 15th June and they will be asking for an extension until August. I'm sure there is more submissions yet to be published. This could be good news at least it means the senate are taking it seriuosly. Hopefully they will continue dealing with the Visas alreay in the pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Lombard Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Just to clarify, the Committee has to meet to formally accept submissions before they can be put on the Inquiry website. At the moment they have accepted 91 submissions but I'm aware of submissions by myself and Mark Webster and most likely the MIA and Migration Alliance will also be submitting. Interesting that there is no institutional support to speak of - shows how isolated students are politically - and I would suggest that any of you attending education institutions of high standing could consider asking those institutions for letters of support. Having a couple of universities on your side might make a difference. @Global Girl and Shan07 - an extension would be a political act given that there is an election approaching - and even if granted the legislation could be forced through if the opposition decided to back the Bill, which they may well do politically. So a very good idea to make submissions as soon as you can. Cheers, George Lombard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Princess Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hi George, Gill As I am only in my first semester do you think that I should have anything to worry about at the moment. I would be loathed to pay the international student fees for both me and daughter for the next 3 years with no hope at the end. I'm not really sure how it all works..... Steph xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Thanks reddragon,There are only 91 submissions on this senate committee. Well, I am very sad to tell u that most of the guys who are waiting for last so many years ,do not believe this Senate Committee. Well, If Minister wants to go ahead with the bill be will find some way out for implementing this law. So this senate Committee is of no use. This Committee is a puppet in the hands of Minister as he is in majority in the parliament. What is happening in the Australian parliament behind the door, no body knows about that. So personally I do not believe much from this Committee. I had gone thru so much hard time during this waiting period I do not believe anyone. Sent ours in in plenty of time, also not showing as one of the 91!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Global Girl Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 [quote name= @Global Girl and Shan07 - an extension would be a political act given that there is an election approaching - and even if granted the legislation could be forced through if the opposition decided to back the Bill, which they may well do politically. So a very good idea to make submissions as soon as you can. Hi George Could you explain your reasoning. I'm not much of a political animal so I don't understand:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranjith47 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Hi Gill, My sister was a victim of one of these. She had joined a college recommended by an Education agent and after a month of joining realized that she had been cheated. She complained to DIAC and they made her give a written statement, but for reasons best know to DIAC, no known action was ever taken against this college and the college is still in existence. . This is what I dont Understand.!!! What was the Govt. doing back then, , and why have they jumped to such drastic steps Now!? ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Princess Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 This is what I dont Understand.!!! What was the Govt. doing back then, , and why have they jumped to such drastic steps Now!? ?? Probably sitting on their a**e counting all the $$$$$$$ Stephxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anya Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 I fail to understand the reason why action hasn't been taken against these colleges. Besides these colleges / Institutes are all 'CRICOS' recognized / Government Recognized as you cannot get a student visa unless you have enrolled for a Cricos course which are available in these Cricos colleges / institutes. I am appalled to say the least at how the Government is handling this situation. The reason is simple - corruption, greed and a complete lack of scruples. The Govt. wanted to keep the scam going as the education visa industry was raking in billions. I do not for one moment blame the students - I mean if this is the way (i.e the carrot in the form of a PR dangling at the end of the stick) it was being touted in India and China then who can blame the poor students for taking up the offer? The education sector in Melbourne has lost its credibility and I am really worried about falling standards (what is stopping Universities from enrolling international students whether or not they meet the mark, so long as they pay tuition fees in full? Sadly it has now become a lucrative business rather than an institution for learning and knowledge) - so much so that even my daughter who is exceptionally bright (don't all mums say that?...lol) is keen to leave Oz as soon as she finishes high school and attend one of the top colleges in the US.....pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Could someone cleverer than me explain why it appears that International students who are presently studying here, can apply for PR until 2012 from the existing SOL, but students who have already completed their studies, face being capped, even though they have already lodged a valid application, before the introduction of the new list??? Or can current students only apply for the 485 visa up to 2012, but would theoretically then be able to still apply for PR, from the old list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Princess Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Could someone cleverer than me explain why it appears that International students who are presently studying here, can apply for PR until 2012 from the existing SOL, but students who have already completed their studies, face being capped, even though they have already lodged a valid application, before the introduction of the new list??? Or can current students only apply for the 485 visa up to 2012, but would theoretically then be able to still apply for PR, from the old list? Good point, I don't know the answer unfortunately, but I'm sure someone on here does. I would also like to know what the following means? Migration Amendment (Visa Capping) Bill 2010 The last bit says that if a student applies for GSM, how can they do this unless they have their qualifications? (or is that what it means), and it also states that it will not affect their student visa, I don't know about anyone else, but my visa ends at the end of my degree!!! So if I was one of the ones 'capped' whilst applying for GSM, I presumably would have 28 days to leave the country as I would be illegal..... Steph xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reddragon81 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Good point, I don't know the answer unfortunately, but I'm sure someone on here does. I would also like to know what the following means? Migration Amendment (Visa Capping) Bill 2010 The last bit says that if a student applies for GSM, how can they do this unless they have their qualifications? (or is that what it means), and it also states that it will not affect their student visa, I don't know about anyone else, but my visa ends at the end of my degree!!! So if I was one of the ones 'capped' whilst applying for GSM, I presumably would have 28 days to leave the country as I would be illegal..... Steph xxxx hey richslat what they mean is that if a student lodges an application for PR while he's in the middle of his studies here in Australia, and their application happens to be capped and ceased, then their student visa will not be cancelled and the student will be given the opportunity to terminate their studies, and then will have to leave the country when their student visa expires. It is a very remote possibility that a student in the middle of their studies lodges an application for PR, as you mentioned, because the completion of the studies are often necessary in order to lodge the application, so it's pretty useless what they're saying there. Also that implies that if you are on a bridgind visa and your application happens to be capped and ceased, then you have 28 days to leave the country but you can apply for a new student visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomtom Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Originally Posted by rajinmelb Hi All, few days back a girl comitted sucide after she came to know that she cannot apply for PR after 8th Feb 2010. she was so stressed that she din't even thought abt her few months old child and her husband, Don't know if the capping rule is passed how many more people will commit sucide because these people came here with a dream, some of them put everything on stake. God help those poor souls Can you please tell me the source of the news? When and where this incident happened exactly, so that I can search it on Google. Thanks Think this might be the news story. Wake up Chris Evans you can not play with peoples lives. When the dream turns into a nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jane1991 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 No offence but no body ever promised that SOL would remain the same. Everyone should do independent research before making a well informed decision. And everyone should have realized that MODL and SOL have been changed in the past. (eg IT 2005) What this woman did was cruel and irresponsible to her family. I can't understand whats so horrible about going back home ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Princess Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 No offence but no body ever promised that SOL would remain the same. Everyone should do independent research before making a well informed decision. And everyone should have realized that MODL and SOL have been changed in the past. (eg IT 2005) What this woman did was cruel and irresponsible to her family. I can't understand whats so horrible about going back home ? Not horrible to go back home, but when you have family, they get settled and my daughter has made lots of friends, we have already uprooted her once, and don't really want to do it again!!! Steph xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcillc Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Student drop hits economy TOUGH new immigration rules for foreign students are hitting Australia's economy, with more than 125,000 fewer international students expected to come in the next 12 months, costing more than 31,000 jobs nationwide. Student drop hits economy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reddragon81 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 No offence but no body ever promised that SOL would remain the same. Everyone should do independent research before making a well informed decision. And everyone should have realized that MODL and SOL have been changed in the past. (eg IT 2005) What this woman did was cruel and irresponsible to her family. I can't understand whats so horrible about going back home ? You are in no position to judge what she did. You dont know her situation, you don't know the stress she might have been experiencing, you dont know how it would have been for her to go back home, coz you dont know where she was born and you were not born or raised there. I don't know either, that's why I shut up and show some respect for someone who is dead. You should definitely do the same. Unless your username contains the year you were born.. in that case I would understand where your comment comes from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcillc Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Interesting figures from last year (See the occupation table): Skilled migration changes deliver more workers Australia needs The analysis clearly shows that the changes made in January 2009 led to an increase in the visa grants to registered nurses (+1156), computing professionals (+844), engineers (total increase of 2067) and doctors (+551). At the same time the occupations recording the biggest falls in primary visa grants were cooks, chefs and pastry cooks (-2102), accountants (-1851) and hairdressers (-767). This means that cooks and hairdressers have been under the radar since last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Name Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 I think it's quite clear that medical and IT professions will be exempted, and the chopping will be done on trade occupations. IT is in CSL so it's most likely safe. Though I am worried about the 2231-79(ICT recent grad) who aren't on CSL. Not sure if we can dodge the axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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