Guest fatpom Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 It depends what reports you listen too about the whole trade situation. Yes the mines are slowing down but they still are producing so there are people in work. The unemployment has just jumped to 5.7% about 35,000 lost there jobs in the whole of Oz last month but that's accross the whole board, it no where near the 2 million unemployed in the UK. Also what isn't reported is that the last quarter of last year the construction industry grew at a record rate, also of all areas the government predict will not slow down and / or be the first to pick up after the crisis the construction industry is one of them. The bottom line is Oz is still expanding and growing but they do not have the infrustructure or housing, that's why i feel the construction trades off the CSL will just be a temporary measure... Two million unemployed in 60 million is 3.3%. Proportionately lower than Australias 5.7%... which is a bit of a surprise? They tell us that the UK is suffering more from the world recession... but then they would wouldn't they? :smile: The Australian economy is no longer expanding or growing. It is said recession is a certainty if its not already the case. It all depends on which quuarter contraction is believed to have started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve the spark Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Two million unemployed in 60 million is 3.3%. Proportionately lower than Australias 5.7%... which is a bit of a surprise? They tell us that the UK is suffering more from the world recession... but then they would wouldn't they? :smile: The Australian economy is no longer expanding or growing. It is said recession is a certainty if its not already the case. It all depends on which quuarter contraction is believed to have started. surley your not inferring that the au gov and press would tell porkies to the people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snow white Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 surely no government would tell porkies to the people would they ???lol lesley x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James.S Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Two million unemployed in 60 million is 3.3%. Proportionately lower than Australias 5.7%... which is a bit of a surprise? They tell us that the UK is suffering more from the world recession... but then they would wouldn't they? :smile: The Australian economy is no longer expanding or growing. It is said recession is a certainty if its not already the case. It all depends on which quuarter contraction is believed to have started. If only everything in life could be that simple.... employment rates are a percentage of the working population not the population as a whole... according to national statistics for the uk: National Statistics Online the actual unemployment rate is 6.5%... considerably higher that the Oz rate... and it's expected to get a lot worse too... Even if the economy in Australia is stagnating it is still far behind the contracted state of the UK economy and is far better positioned to pull through the down turn from a banking and trade perspective.. Thanks for your comments anyway fatpom.. James... :jimlad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fatpom Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 If only everything in life could be that simple.... employment rates are a percentage of the working population not the population as a whole... according to national statistics for the uk: National Statistics Online the actual unemployment rate is 6.5%... considerably higher that the Oz rate... and it's expected to get a lot worse too...Even if the economy in Australia is stagnating it is still far behind the contracted state of the UK economy and is far better positioned to pull through the down turn from a banking and trade perspective.. Thanks for your comments anyway fatpom.. James... :jimlad: Yes! fair point. I now recall the Thatcher gov change the calculation 19 times in 17 years. Come to think of it I wouldn't have a clue what basis the Aus gov calcs unemployment. I suppose the problem starts when pollies and economists are trusted with raw data that doesn't fit the message too well. :smile: Its generally agreed that Aus is probably going to suffer less than the UK. In fact they're saying that the UK will be hit harder than the US. We shall see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Rustys Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 If I had had a crystal ball then i would have put my application in 2 months earlier and then we wouldn't have a problem..! It depends what reports you listen too about the whole trade situation. Yes the mines are slowing down but they still are producing so there are people in work. The unemployment has just jumped to 5.7% about 35,000 lost there jobs in the whole of Oz last month but that's accross the whole board, it no where near the 2 million unemployed in the UK. Also what isn't reported is that the last quarter of last year the construction industry grew at a record rate, also of all areas the government predict will not slow down and / or be the first to pick up after the crisis the construction industry is one of them. The bottom line is Oz is still expanding and growing but they do not have the infrustructure or housing, that's why i feel the construction trades off the CSL will just be a temporary measure... One of the reasons for us jumping at the beginnning of this year is the fact that we wanted our son to start school at the start of year 1... The principle was very understanding of our situation and is kindly classing my son as a local resident for the 1st semester... Given that you both have good secure jobs maybe patients will be the best choice.... damn frustrating though...! All the best, James.. :jimlad: Thanks James - as always much appreciated We may do 'the leap' at the end of the year for similar reasons. Our daughter will be starting year 10, so we cant really leave it much longer for her Education etc In the meantime, I hope things get sorted for you and yours very quickly.. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rod Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Excellent positive thinking James,I agree with you about the construction industry in Aussie, also the slowdown in the mines will be temporary hopefully - a few of my mates already in Aus seem to think the same, that the recession will be less felt in Aus than in Europe & the UK...all because of a few w.. err...bankers hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shar07 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I love positive thinking, we are doing a reccie to Perth in June and going to have a look at some jobs etc, we too would like to move before Sept as my eldest goes into yr 9 and really do not want to leave it longer. Other small small problem, have to sell the house :arghh: Lets have some more positive thinking :yes: please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James.S Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I love positive thinking, we are doing a reccie to Perth in June and going to have a look at some jobs etc, we too would like to move before Sept as my eldest goes into yr 9 and really do not want to leave it longer. Other small small problem, have to sell the house :arghh: Lets have some more positive thinking :yes: please. We'll positive thinking is always the best place to start... Just focus on what you want and feel that it's already a done deal...by giving all that attention to it you will create it.. don't give all of the problems and challenges too much attention.... Your house will sell as and when you nee it too.... the question is, when do you really need it too..? James... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules&spike Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 ARTC help Hi this is my story so far. Promised an electrical position for a company in adelaide on a 457 sponsored visa two years ago, was told i need to get over to australia as it will only take 4-6 weeks to process visa. I therfore gave up my £35k electrical job in the uk sold my house my car all my goods said goodbye to my family and freinds and also my best freind my parrot. Came to OZ waiting for my visa and to start work,only to be told the job position had been put back 6 months so the visa application was put on hold. Went back to the uk when my tourist visa ran out. Started the application for the 175 skilled visa to the point where i was just about to pay the fee only to be told by the company in oz wanted me there yesturday to start work and told me to drop the 175 visa application (didnt know at the time you could have more than one application at a time) Anyway came back to oz to find that the company was having problems getting the 457 visa sponsorship. So ive been waiting and waiting and decided to just put in for the 457 as im 45 in may 2009. Prior to coming to australia i took all my C&G exams 2360 2381 2391 etc i then took the AS300o exam in adelaide have got my TRA. I now have been told i have to either sit an exam or be questioned over the phone to get my ARTC because i havent done an apprenticeship . Even though i have 25 years experiance and taken the same exams as you would have doing the apprenticeship. So far it has cost me $100000 in flights lost wages exam courses etc. I still cant work and getting so fed up with the amount of hassle just to work over here, and i miss my parrot lol. So please can anyone who has either taken the ARTC exam or have been asked the questions over the phone give me an idea whats invloved would appreciate it thankyou spike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve the spark Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 ARTC helpHi this is my story so far. Promised an electrical position for a company in adelaide on a 457 sponsored visa two years ago, was told i need to get over to australia as it will only take 4-6 weeks to process visa. I therfore gave up my £35k electrical job in the uk sold my house my car all my goods said goodbye to my family and freinds and also my best freind my parrot. Came to OZ waiting for my visa and to start work,only to be told the job position had been put back 6 months so the visa application was put on hold. Went back to the uk when my tourist visa ran out. Started the application for the 175 skilled visa to the point where i was just about to pay the fee only to be told by the company in oz wanted me there yesturday to start work and told me to drop the 175 visa application (didnt know at the time you could have more than one application at a time) Anyway came back to oz to find that the company was having problems getting the 457 visa sponsorship. So ive been waiting and waiting and decided to just put in for the 457 as im 45 in may 2009. Prior to coming to australia i took all my C&G exams 2360 2381 2391 etc i then took the AS300o exam in adelaide have got my TRA. I now have been told i have to either sit an exam or be questioned over the phone to get my ARTC because i havent done an apprenticeship . Even though i have 25 years experiance and taken the same exams as you would have doing the apprenticeship. So far it has cost me $100000 in flights lost wages exam courses etc. I still cant work and getting so fed up with the amount of hassle just to work over here, and i miss my parrot lol. So please can anyone who has either taken the ARTC exam or have been asked the questions over the phone give me an idea whats invloved would appreciate it thankyou spike hi there one of the guys on british expats electrical forum posted a list of all the questions he was asked for his artc telephone test, the sites off line at the moment for updating so i`ll have a look ina couple of hours and post his q & a list regards steve artc test link http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451937 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yarck Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hi Guys I have just joined and this is my first post. I sat vetassess test recently for "General Electrician". The test went well initially, Started with multi-choice questions,:biggrin: Practical skills test Safe isolation Inspection and testing Wire a dol motor control circuit?:arghh: This is where I came unstuck,given that its mainly domestic I have worked on I struggled here and blanked. I have to say though that I had read a few horror stories about assessors but the guy we had was spot on, He was strict but not out to trip anyone up, he also gave some very informative advise on what to do when we reach Aus. Can anyone give some practical help on motor circuits so I can study for resit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve the spark Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hi Guys I have just joined and this is my first post. I sat vetassess test recently for "General Electrician". The test went well initially, Started with multi-choice questions,:biggrin: Practical skills test Safe isolation Inspection and testing Wire a dol motor control circuit?:arghh: This is where I came unstuck,given that its mainly domestic I have worked on I struggled here and blanked. I have to say though that I had read a few horror stories about assessors but the guy we had was spot on, He was strict but not out to trip anyone up, he also gave some very informative advise on what to do when we reach Aus. Can anyone give some practical help on motor circuits so I can study for resit? i`ve posted heaps of info here mate practical exam theory : British Expat Discussion Forum regards steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yarck Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Thanks Steve, I will spend time studying that info, think in all honesty I need to study hard as am having trouble transfering from drawings to application:no:. This probably sounds bad but I have only ever done the wiring and connection according to detailed drawings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules&spike Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 hi there one of the guys on british expats electrical forum posted a list of all the questions he was asked for his artc telephone test, the sites off line at the moment for updating so i`ll have a look ina couple of hours and post his q & a list regards steve artc test link ARTC trade interview. : British Expat Discussion Forum[ cheers steve the spark thats a great help ill check it out and hope i can warm up the brain cells thanks again spike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esthapan Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 hi james, after reading ur post i decided to hold back my visa app. for the time being.i feel all is not well in oz.we all pray for the early release of ur visa. esthapan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daz & Claire Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 hi james,after reading ur post i decided to hold back my visa app. for the time being.i feel all is not well in oz.we all pray for the early release of ur visa. esthapan. Hi, Sorry to hear your holding back your app, but i think you may be wrong about all not being well in OZ. I,m Informed that there is still plenty of work there its just that you can't be to choosey at the moment. I have been searching the different websites in oz regarding what route to take once you arrive. I have gone done the vetassess route in the uk as i'm 1 year short of 7 for TRA. However I've discovered that EE-oz TRAINING STANDARDS- POST VETASSESS (www.ee-oz.com.au) gives the guidelines that should be followed once you register with The department of employment and industrial Relations. They in turn give you a tempory licence whilst you obtain the relevant Australian GAP- TRAINING. Once you find a job you and your emloyer register for E-profiling (www.eprofiling.com.au) This involves completing an on-line log book. This should take about 180 hours to complete the relevant jobs, abit like our NVQ system. The aim is complete if before 6 Months. Once completed you obtain a full licence. The only problem i can see is that you need to find a employer willing to allow this training route. The other thing as far as i can tell is that you can't do anything this side to speed things up. Hope this info helps. Still sorting through it myself, if any one else can look and clarify any of this I would much appriciate it. Daz p.s. Booked our flights for June 16th we can't wait, so excited now, furniture being collected on monday.:jiggy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neil the spark Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 HI Guys Just wondering if anyone knows is there a difference between the A licence and a contractors licence if so what the differences are Cheers Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewe12345 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 When I done my VETASSESS I was speaking to the assessor and he said that you need to have a A Licence to work on your own as a spark but to be paid legaly you need the contractors Licence too. Not 100% what the contactor licence is but I think it may be the same as our CIS card in the UK. HI Guys Just wondering if anyone knows is there a difference between the A licence and a contractors licence if so what the differences are Cheers Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daz & Claire Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 When I done my VETASSESS I was speaking to the assessor and he said that you need to have a A Licence to work on your own as a spark but to be paid legaly you need the contractors Licence too. Not 100% what the contactor licence is but I think it may be the same as our CIS card in the UK. Contractors licence is the same as being self employed, similary you need liability insurance etc, I think class A licence is along the lines of a tech. Not too sure. We have electrical Mechanic and electrical fitter licences. As far as i can tell us sparks from the UK cover both of the above areas so we should opt for the combined licence of Electrical Mechanic/Fitter. There is a good description of what type of work is required on the department of trade website. Daz Below is some useful links NEW SOUTH WALES Office of Fair Trading Tel: 61+ 2 9895 0111 Fax: 61+ 2 9895 0222 Website: www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/building.html Victoria Energy Safe Victoria Tel:61+ 3 9203 9700 Fax: 61+3 9686 2197 Email: info@esv.vic.gov.au Website: www.esv.vic.gov.au Queensland Electrical Safety Office Department of Employment and Industrial Relations Tel: 61+ 7 3225 2000 Fax: 61+ 7 3247 9453 Website: www.deir.qld.gov.au South Australia Office of Consumer and Business Affairs Tel: 61 + 8 8204 9696 Fax: 61 + 8 8204 9697 Email: pge.bos@agd.sa.gov.au Website: www.ocba.sa.gov.au/licensing Western Australia Energy Safety Department of Consumer and Employment Protection Tel: 61+8 9422 5282 Fax: 61+ 8 9422 5222 Email: energylicensing@docep.wa.gov.au Website: www.energysafety.wa.gov.au Tasmania Electricity Standards and Safety Workplace Standards Tasmania Tel: 61+ 3 6233 7831 Fax: 61+ 3 6233 8338 Email: wstinfo@justice.tas.gov.au Website: www.wst.tas.gov.au/electricity Capital Territory ACT Planning and Land Authority Tel: 61+ 2 6207 1923 Website: www.actpla.act.gov.au/customer_information/industry Northern Territory Electrical Licensing Board Tel: 61 + 8 8999 5516 Fax: 61+ 8 8999 5141 Email: ewclb.lpe@nt.gov.au Website: www.electricallicensing.nt.gov.au Permit Carry out electrical installation work under supervision in order to undertake Australian context gap training. Note 1: Issued only to persons assessed against the Electrotechnology Training Package and issued an Offshore Technical Skills Record for Certificate III in Electrotechnology Electrician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve the spark Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 HI Guys Just wondering if anyone knows is there a difference between the A licence and a contractors licence if so what the differences are Cheers Neil A licence is the term for a licenced "general" sparkie in victoria in SA its electrical workers licence and in QLD its electrical mechanics licence all one and the same thing not to be confused with an electical fitters licence, fitters cannot work on anything conected to the mains ( most fitters are maintainance electricians ) for a full explanation see Classes of licences a contactors licence is required to run your own contracting business ie quote for, supply labour and materials ( its not required if you just want to subbie / be self employed for a bigger company for that you only need your electrical licence and an ABN ( aussi business number ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve the spark Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Hi, Sorry to hear your holding back your app, but i think you may be wrong about all not being well in OZ. I,m Informed that there is still plenty of work there its just that you can't be to choosey at the moment. I have been searching the different websites in oz regarding what route to take once you arrive. I have gone done the vetassess route in the uk as i'm 1 year short of 7 for TRA. However I've discovered that EE-oz TRAINING STANDARDS- POST VETASSESS (www.ee-oz.com.au) gives the guidelines that should be followed once you register with The department of employment and industrial Relations. They in turn give you a tempory licence whilst you obtain the relevant Australian GAP- TRAINING. Once you find a job you and your emloyer register for E-profiling (www.eprofiling.com.au) This involves completing an on-line log book. This should take about 180 hours to complete the relevant jobs, abit like our NVQ system. The aim is complete if before 6 Months. Once completed you obtain a full licence. The only problem i can see is that you need to find a employer willing to allow this training route. The other thing as far as i can tell is that you can't do anything this side to speed things up. Hope this info helps. Still sorting through it myself, if any one else can look and clarify any of this I would much appriciate it. Daz p.s. Booked our flights for June 16th we can't wait, so excited now, furniture being collected on monday.:jiggy: i love it when people living in the uk tell us how theres "loads of work" in aus i must tell some of the lads who have been here for up to six months with no work that they are been too choosey as for licencing and working on a log book your dreaming prior to the current problems it was bloody hard to get anyone to employ you with a permit to work and a log book now i would say its almost impossible therefore the best solution to the licencing problem is as follows once you have your visa apply for an artc from the tra link below workplace.gov.au - FAQ - for Australian residents at the same time apply to peer in SA to do the wiring course via correspondance Peer Veet > Training > Overseas Enquiry once you arrive here armed with your artc arrange to go to peer in SA ( adelaide ) and do your electrical wiring exam thisis usually done over three days two fro swatting up and the exam on the third day once youve passed apply for a SA electrical workers licence ( do it whilst your there its near peer ) when it arrives ussally witin two to three weeks you can either work as a fully licenced electician on the SA licence or exacahge it at your locel electrical safety office for a licence for the state where you reside under the recipical agreement qld version Interstate and New Zealand applicants (mutual recognition) masses of info for sparkies here too on BE Electricians : British Expat Discussion Forum hope this clears some points up and helps regards steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve the spark Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Excellent positive thinking James,I agree with you about the construction industry in Aussie, also the slowdown in the mines will be temporary hopefully - a few of my mates already in Aus seem to think the same, that the recession will be less felt in Aus than in Europe & the UK...all because of a few w.. err...bankers hey? rod its a world reccession not a uk or european reccession all ths talk of aus will be better off than other countries is bull unemployent here is going up just as fast as in the uk what makes it harder over here is that you wont have any contacts -- if i was in the uk i`d have several builders electrical contractors and even the guys at cef etc to ask has anyone got any work over here your f**ked relying on the papers & internet O and your english accent when you cold call wont do you any favours iether, i`m not suggesting that you dont come just that you be realistic about things regards steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daz & Claire Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 i love it when people living in the uk tell us how theres "loads of work" in ausi must tell some of the lads who have been here for up to six months with no work that they are been too choosey as for licencing and working on a log book your dreaming prior to the current problems it was bloody hard to get anyone to employ you with a permit to work and a log book now i would say its almost impossible therefore the best solution to the licencing problem is as follows once you have your visa apply for an artc from the tra link below workplace.gov.au - FAQ - for Australian residents at the same time apply to peer in SA to do the wiring course via correspondance Peer Veet > Training > Overseas Enquiry once you arrive here armed with your artc arrange to go to peer in SA ( adelaide ) and do your electrical wiring exam thisis usually done over three days two fro swatting up and the exam on the third day once youve passed apply for a SA electrical workers licence ( do it whilst your there its near peer ) when it arrives ussally witin two to three weeks you can either work as a fully licenced electician on the SA licence or exacahge it at your locel electrical safety office for a licence for the state where you reside under the recipical agreement qld version Interstate and New Zealand applicants (mutual recognition) masses of info for sparkies here too on BE Electricians : British Expat Discussion Forum hope this clears some points up and helps regards steve Steve i'm not trying to be smart or bury my in the sand. What i meant by being choosey is that if you need to pay the rent, then get some other type of work until things improve. And hopefully they will. Great information about TRA route but as my previous post says, i've only done the vetassess route, and this was because i haven't got 7 years experience as required by TRA. Have the guys who have been out of work got thier full licence? And what type of work are they looking for, domestic/commercial or industrial?. I'm mainly domestic and the jobs that i see advertised on the web seem mainly aimed at industrial sparks, I'm heading for north Brisbane and as your from this area can you clarify whether its as bad as you say. Cheers Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steve the spark Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Steve i'm not trying to be smart or bury my in the sand. What i meant by being choosey is that if you need to pay the rent, then get some other type of work until things improve. And hopefully they will. Great information about TRA route but as my previous post says, i've only done the vetassess route, and this was because i haven't got 7 years experience as required by TRA. Have the guys who have been out of work got thier full licence? And what type of work are they looking for, domestic/commercial or industrial?. I'm mainly domestic and the jobs that i see advertised on the web seem mainly aimed at industrial sparks, I'm heading for north Brisbane and as your from this area can you clarify whether its as bad as you say. Cheers Daz even the menial jobs are diffcult to get mate we are constantly hearing of shop assitants bunnings etc postions been inudated with applications the 7 yrs experiance is only relavant if your not qualifed daz, if that is the case then you are stuck with a permit to train and a log book if your heading brissie way the best person for advice info etc would be chris at qet http://www.qet.edu.au/ chris runs his own rto ( recognised training organisation ) hes an ex qld electrical safty officer and ex qld electrical inspector and ex tafe ( tafe = college ) teacher is it really that bad ??? have thes guys got licences yes and yes i think it is mate, have a trawl through BE`s electrical forum you`ll soon get a clearer picture http://britishexpats.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=97 whats made it worse is that some of the mines have laid of lots of sparkies by that i mean 100, 200 at a time and the influx has shot the job market hope this helps regards steve ps have alook here http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605097 http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=603936 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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