189 questions needing answered please!

[Goof93]

Hi everyone, bare with me as im kinda new to this..

I have a few things I feel I need clearIng up as the obsession of how to get a 189 has taken over my life 

I would appreciate any help and I think others who may not have the same occupation as me could find very helpful as well so any help is welcome. 
 

Firstly I’m relying hugely on gaining as much points as possible by sitting the IELTS test, now this may seem a crazy dumb question but is the IELTS test based the same for the UK as it is for Australia? I cant remember why but i was under the impression that whatever country the testing centre was in that the test there would be marked in accordance with what that country are looking for, for example is there an IELTS for Australia and an IELTS for Canada and an IELTS for the UK etc or is ielts the same all over? Sorry if I haven’t explained my question this in the best way possible. 
 

Secondly I’m a 7 year qualified car mechanic who spent a year in Oz in 2015 on a working holiday visa with my partner, to cut a long story short my plan all along after researching visas while i was in Australia was to come home and build up my points through years experience. Im now at least 5 but less than 8 years post apprenticeship. Now im going to jump way ahead of myself here but if i had to get accepted on a 189 visa is it mandatory that i work within my skilled occupation that i have been accepted on or Is it possible to work in another line of work? If so would this in anyway affect my chances of gaining Australian citizenship in the future if i never worked as a car mechanic whilst on my 189? 

 

Another huge couple questions form me... My partner of 7 years is 27  years old the same age as me. I don’t imagine she would have any issues getting superior English in the IELTS test, she has just recently become a qualified nurse in the UK. I really would like to know does she need to get her skills assessed as i will so i can claim points when putting her on the visa? Also considering she has just qualified am i still able to claim these points or does she need years experience the way i did? 

In terms of “the que” am I up against every other occupation on the list with way more points or am i up against car mechanics only? i have had a look at the 190 also however i would like to work in WA or Queensland and a mechanic isn’t on their list. At my absolute best and with a lot of studying I believe i could get 80 points. Has anyone ever heard of a mechanic on more than 80 points and not been invited? For that matter has anyone ever heard of a mechanic gaining a 189 visa?

Like i say any help is welcome guys hope to hear some answers as I’ve given myself a sore head over the last few weeks

 

[Marisawright]

The harsh truth is that if you can't score over 90 points, you've got zero chance.   That's for all occupations. 

Don't assume you or your partner can get superior English.  We've had university graduates fail.

Once you get to Australia on a permanent visa, you can work in any occupation you like and it has no effect on citizenship.

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Marisawright

[VERYSTORMY]

Just going to emphasise what Marisa says on ILETS. Do not underestimate it. We have had English teachers fail it and I know of at least one person with a phd in English fail it. You will need to revise. There are a lot of resources online to help. 

Yes, you can, once you obtain a visa work in whatever occupations you wish. There is no requirement to stay in the occupation that you used for the visa.

My strong advice would be to appoint a good registered migration agent. 
 

 

[garrychandi]

8 hours ago, Goof93 said:

Hi everyone, bare with me as im kinda new to this..

I have a few things I feel I need clearIng up as the obsession of how to get a 189 has taken over my life 

I would appreciate any help and I think others who may not have the same occupation as me could find very helpful as well so any help is welcome. 
 

Firstly I’m relying hugely on gaining as much points as possible by sitting the IELTS test, now this may seem a crazy dumb question but is the IELTS test based the same for the UK as it is for Australia? I cant remember why but i was under the impression that whatever country the testing centre was in that the test there would be marked in accordance with what that country are looking for, for example is there an IELTS for Australia and an IELTS for Canada and an IELTS for the UK etc or is ielts the same all over? Sorry if I haven’t explained my question this in the best way possible. 
 

Secondly I’m a 7 year qualified car mechanic who spent a year in Oz in 2015 on a working holiday visa with my partner, to cut a long story short my plan all along after researching visas while i was in Australia was to come home and build up my points through years experience. Im now at least 5 but less than 8 years post apprenticeship. Now im going to jump way ahead of myself here but if i had to get accepted on a 189 visa is it mandatory that i work within my skilled occupation that i have been accepted on or Is it possible to work in another line of work? If so would this in anyway affect my chances of gaining Australian citizenship in the future if i never worked as a car mechanic whilst on my 189? 

 

Another huge couple questions form me... My partner of 7 years is 27  years old the same age as me. I don’t imagine she would have any issues getting superior English in the IELTS test, she has just recently become a qualified nurse in the UK. I really would like to know does she need to get her skills assessed as i will so i can claim points when putting her on the visa? Also considering she has just qualified am i still able to claim these points or does she need years experience the way i did? 

In terms of “the que” am I up against every other occupation on the list with way more points or am i up against car mechanics only? i have had a look at the 190 also however i would like to work in WA or Queensland and a mechanic isn’t on their list. At my absolute best and with a lot of studying I believe i could get 80 points. Has anyone ever heard of a mechanic on more than 80 points and not been invited? For that matter has anyone ever heard of a mechanic gaining a 189 visa?

Like i say any help is welcome guys hope to hear some answers as I’ve given myself a sore head over the last few weeks

 

Hey mate, IELTS test is jointly run  by British council, IDP and CELA.  British Council one tend to use British english and mostly British accent, on the other hand IDP is more Australian.Both have the same type of questions and way of marking etc. I would suggest try the PTE exam, most people score better in PTE than IELTS.

You can work in any occupation after the grant, it won't effect anything. You will have good chances with trade occupation for 190 visa. hope this help,You can message me if you have further questions.

[Goof93]

On 23/05/2020 at 00:20, Marisawright said:

The harsh truth is that if you can't score over 90 points, you've got zero chance.   That's for all occupations. 

Don't assume you or your partner can get superior English.  We've had university graduates fail.

Once you get to Australia on a permanent visa, you can work in any occupation you like and it has no effect on citizenship.

 

Hi thanks for your reply. Yeah of course I'm under no illusion that i will turn up and be able to pass the test trust me if im honest its the one thing im actually nervous about as I believe it will be hard. 
 

As for having zero chance unless i have 90 points, is this even with a car mechanic would you reckon? I Wouldn’t have thought so but i will keep that in mind.  My only other option is a state 190 with NSW as WA and Queensland don’t seem to have car mechanic on there list which is upsetting. Also have u got any advice on my partner skills part that I initially posted about? Any help is mich appreciated. Thank you 

[Goof93]

On 23/05/2020 at 08:13, garrychandi said:

Hey mate, IELTS test is jointly run  by British council, IDP and CELA.  British Council one tend to use British english and mostly British accent, on the other hand IDP is more Australian.Both have the same type of questions and way of marking etc. I would suggest try the PTE exam, most people score better in PTE than IELTS.

You can work in any occupation after the grant, it won't effect anything. You will have good chances with trade occupation for 190 visa. hope this help,You can message me if you have further questions.

Thanks for your reply I’ve had a look at the PTE doesn’t seem like there is a test centre nearby me as I’m living in Glasgow although in saying that there doesn’t seem like many test centres at all so might be just user error with the site but i will look further into it thanks! 
 

If I couldn’t get the 189 I would ideally have liked to obtain a 190 in WA mainly because i have friends there and have stayed there before in 2015/16. Do u have any advice on my partner skills questions on my initial post? Im unable to message you it just keeps giving me an error code. 
 

Also in terms of the 190 do you know if its the same as the 189 when going for citizenship? Can apply after 4 years etc? 
 

thanks Garry

[Marisawright]

35 minutes ago, Goof93 said:

As for having zero chance unless i have 90 points, is this even with a car mechanic would you reckon? I Wouldn’t have thought so but i will keep that in mind.  

Why wouldn't you have thought that?  

Here's the table of likely visa outcomes from February (which are the most recent figures available, because after that, the coronavirus happened):

https://www.iscah.com/will-get-189-invite-february-2020-estimates/

Car mechanic is under "all other non pro rata applications".    You'll see that 85 points is borderline and anything below that just expires and you lose your money.

Bear in mind that was in February - since then, the Prime Minister has said they'll be slashing immigration, because they're expecting high unemployment after the coronavirus shutdown is over. 

[Goof93]

11 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

Why wouldn't you have thought that? 

Purely because i never expected a high volume of car mechanics to apply but I understand now thats not exactly what they will be looking at. Thank you again. 
 

What do you think the chances of a state sponsorship at 85 points would be? 

[Goof93]

On 23/05/2020 at 05:33, VERYSTORMY said:

Just going to emphasise what Marisa says on ILETS. Do not underestimate it. We have had English teachers fail it and I know of at least one person with a phd in English fail it. You will need to revise. There are a lot of resources online to help. 

Yes, you can, once you obtain a visa work in whatever occupations you wish. There is no requirement to stay in the occupation that you used for the visa.

My strong advice would be to appoint a good registered migration agent. 
 

 

Hi mate thanks for your advice much appreciated. 
 

In terms of a migration agent I don’t think I would attempt applying without one. Its just finding the right one that i might struggle with. 

[Marisawright]

36 minutes ago, Goof93 said:

Purely because i never expected a high volume of car mechanics to apply but I understand now thats not exactly what they will be looking at. Thank you again. 

Yeah, that's not what they look at - and you might be surprised how many car mechanics do apply.

Points are less important for the 190 and 491 visas, because the states have other criteria besides points.   If NSW is your only option, you could look at Newcastle - big city with great beaches, on the doorstep of the wine country, and housing much cheaper than Sydney.   

As for an agent - I always say, go with one of the agents who visit these forums.  The fact that they're generous with free advice is a good sign, I think.  

[Goof93]

5 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

Yeah, that's not what they look at - and you might be surprised how many car mechanics do apply.

Points are less important for the 190 and 491 visas, because the states have other criteria besides points.   If NSW is your only option, you could look at Newcastle - big city with great beaches, on the doorstep of the wine country, and housing much cheaper than Sydney.   

As for an agent - I always say, go with one of the agents who visit these forums.  The fact that they're generous with free advice is a good sign, I think.  

I agree, I would look into agents on here it makes sense. 

Just to clarify do you know If i could get a 190 in NSW does that mean i would have to get a job in my occupation? Or am i free to work in any line if work as long as its within nsw?

 

[Marisawright]

Best to ask an agent (all the ones on here will give you a free initial consultation) but I think you can do any job once you have the visa. 

Here's a wee snap of the beach in Newcastle to whet your appetite for NSW

 

[paulhand]

1 hour ago, Goof93 said:

? Or am i free to work in any line if work as long as its within nsw?

Yes, you are ...

[Ausvisitor]

2 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Yeah, that's not what they look at - and you might be surprised how many car mechanics do apply.

Points are less important for the 190 and 491 visas, because the states have other criteria besides points.   If NSW is your only option, you could look at Newcastle - big city with great beaches, on the doorstep of the wine country, and housing much cheaper than Sydney.   

As for an agent - I always say, go with one of the agents who visit these forums.  The fact that they're generous with free advice is a good sign, I think.  

I know when we applied for our 190 in NSW (different occupation) our agent at the time (now retired) said that NSW seems to "promote" applications with superior English points to the head of it's invite list. So you might still find that getting a good score in PTE/IELTS is important. (Don't know if it's true, all I know is we put in our 190 application with Superior English and had an invite 24 hours later from NSW - so I'm willing to trust he knew what he was saying).

The 189 and 190 are no different to each other in terms of work and citizenship, both allow you to apply for citizenship in the same way and both allow you to work at whatever you want. The only material difference is the "obligation" to abide by the residence and working location limitation for the first 2 years.

[Goof93]

5 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Best to ask an agent (all the ones on here will give you a free initial consultation) but I think you can do any job once you have the visa. 

Here's a wee snap of the beach in Newcastle to whet your appetite for NSW

 

Excellent thanks so much again. 
 

That is absolutely stunning I’ve actually been to Newcastle we spent a day there in 2015 it’s stunning from what i can remember. 

[Goof93]

3 hours ago, Ausvisitor said:

I know when we applied for our 190 in NSW (different occupation) our agent at the time (now retired) said that NSW seems to "promote" applications with superior English points to the head of it's invite list. So you might still find that getting a good score in PTE/IELTS is important. (Don't know if it's true, all I know is we put in our 190 application with Superior English and had an invite 24 hours later from NSW - so I'm willing to trust he knew what he was saying).

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true. I will certainly have it in the back of my mind. It may be naive but I would be giving it all my efforts to obtain superior english it nay be impossible but even if it takes over my life and i have to sit the test several times then so be it.

 

Thanks for your help!

[Marisawright]

4 hours ago, Goof93 said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true. I will certainly have it in the back of my mind. It may be naive but I would be giving it all my efforts to obtain superior english it nay be impossible but even if it takes over my life and i have to sit the test several times then so be it.

 

Thanks for your help!

I believe you can get practice papers to try out. 

Paul Hand who replied above is an agent

[Mad4daSun]

I did both IELTS and PTE and can confirm that PTE seemed way easier to score higher in. Definitely took me a couple of days of proper studying with aid of some Youtube videos but getting superior english was the single biggest thing that pushed my application to get invited. Mind you this was 18 months ago so the situation is a bit different now. I hope things work out for you, I know what it feels like to be dreaming about oz. still am...we haven't moved yet. waiting for covid to end