Guest Guest109139 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 This is quite bit of an eye opener and I was really surprised by it, I knew drug use (especially ice) has been an issue, particularly in the country areas and towns in WA such as Esperance, Kalgoorlie and even Margaret River, but not quite as much as calling it the worst in the world. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/31629754/judge-says-wa-is-worst-in-world-for-meth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Do you think it is the boredom ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest109139 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Do you think it is the boredom ? I would say is the combination of boredom, hopelessness and perhaps the inability to break free or move on from a narrow minded mentality of a small country town. And using drugs would get rid off that trapped feeling type emotions and thoughts for a short period of time until the next time when then it becomes a habit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VERYSTORMY Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Not at all surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gough Whitlam Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Having grown up in a Queensland bush town in the 1960's I am not surprised by this. My abiding memory was the sheer dullness. I understand that obesity is a big problem in country towns as well now. I suspect that the roots for this would be similar to the drug problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Do you think it is the boredom ? Haven't looked into the demographic of the drug users but my perception of young people in Perth was they did pretty much the same as young people world wide - they go out of the pull, they get drunk, they take drugs, they party. The boredom factor in Perth hits when you're no longer doing that! Why would Perth have more drug users? Cashed up bogans and spoilt brats galore. It is a myth in my opinion that drug use is associated with poverty and deprivation, those living in poverty are the ones the authorities become aware of because their drug use is a 'problem' because they don't have the money to support it plus they are targeted by law enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 My two cents worth. Growing up in Perth drugs were always socially acceptable, amongst all ranks of life. In the UK I found it mainly used by the lower classes and the trendy. Not so much by your run of the mill people. I think this acceptance makes it easier for other harder non intravenous drugs to get a grounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deryans Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Do you think it is the boredom ? that, social circumstances along with accessablity and affordability. ICE is one of the cheapest and most profitable and supply resiliant illegal drugs, cook houses can be operational overnight from scratch and product cycle to market is cheap and short (i.e. quick) It is a myth in my opinion that drug use is associated with poverty and deprivation, those living in poverty are the ones the authorities become aware of because their drug use is a 'problem' because they don't have the money to support it plus they are targeted by law enforcement. half true, ICE is relatively cheap to purchase (a 8 ball hit is cheaper than a pack of cigarettes) relative to other drugs I have some exposure to this drug with my past work in Crime, I did not see many cashed up & well off ICE users, but what I did see was lower socio economic, vulnerable and challenged victims (co-morbidity, alcohol, substance, unemployed and poor education) it is an unvirtious cycle. Anyway, organised crime (pronounced the Bikies) run it in SA and they are creating a gathering storm of social disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It does make me worry for my children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deryans Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 It does make me worry for my children. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3574366/Man-smokes-ice-pipe-public-bus-filmed-passenger-shocking-video-sweeping-social-media.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 that, social circumstances along with accessablity and affordability. ICE is one of the cheapest and most profitable and supply resiliant illegal drugs, cook houses can be operational overnight from scratch and product cycle to market is cheap and short (i.e. quick) half true, ICE is relatively cheap to purchase (a 8 ball hit is cheaper than a pack of cigarettes) relative to other drugs I have some exposure to this drug with my past work in Crime, I did not see many cashed up & well off ICE users, but what I did see was lower socio economic, vulnerable and challenged victims (co-morbidity, alcohol, substance, unemployed and poor education) it is an unvirtious cycle. Anyway, organised crime (pronounced the Bikies) run it in SA and they are creating a gathering storm of social disaster. That was my point, as a Youth Justice Worker I saw exactly the people you refer to, very many had been through local authority care - these are the drug users that are involved in crime, as well as or because of the drugs. These are the stereotypical 'druggie'. Substance users come from all walks of life though with it being no more of a problem than drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco so they never come to the attention of the authorities or the media (unless they are a politician). As a high school teacher in the early 1990's I can assure you it was as rife in the staff room as the classroom. I don't have experience of Ice though - either professionally or personally! If it is cheap then that is going to increase the use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 It does make me worry for my children. Don't know how old your children are but parents who worry about their children usually have the least to worry about. The greatest protection from drugs is self-esteem and resilience which good parenting will build. That said all kids are prone to experimentation and some can be simply unlucky - make sure your kids can talk to you about drugs, it's not unknown for basically good kids to get into medical emergencies and be afraid to call help until it's too late. Educate yourself, if you're not already - not all illegal drugs are equally 'bad' or 'risky' and a blanket - 'drugs are evil' approach doesn't work on clued up teenagers. Lots of advice online on how to talk to kids about drugs. My son (13) is studying drugs at school this term ('we're doing drugs this term mum' gave me a moments heart failure ) so lots of 'did you know dolphins eat puffer fish to get high' - no, but did you know bees eat cotton fruit to get drunk...conversations in our house at the moment. It's be wrong to say I don't worry but I worry equally about drink, sex, RTA's & him wasting his life on video games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deryans Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Don't know how old your children are but parents who worry about their children usually have the least to worry about. The greatest protection from drugs is self-esteem and resilience which good parenting will build. That said all kids are prone to experimentation and some can be simply unlucky - make sure your kids can talk to you about drugs, it's not unknown for basically good kids to get into medical emergencies and be afraid to call help until it's too late. Educate yourself, if you're not already - not all illegal drugs are equally 'bad' or 'risky' and a blanket - 'drugs are evil' approach doesn't work on clued up teenagers. Lots of advice online on how to talk to kids about drugs. My son (13) is studying drugs at school this term ('we're doing drugs this term mum' gave me a moments heart failure ) so lots of 'did you know dolphins eat puffer fish to get high' - no, but did you know bees eat cotton fruit to get drunk...conversations in our house at the moment. It's be wrong to say I don't worry but I worry equally about drink, sex, RTA's & him wasting his life on video games! Probably, or quite close to one of the best posts I've read on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj1980 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 My children are primary, but as a teacher I'm aware of the effect of ICE in the community in which I work. Lady Rainicorn you're absolutely right with what you say, we can only protect them to a certain degree and encourage openness. I just know personally of two individuals whose lives were decimated by drug use in their youth, one a particularly talented footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Don't know how old your children are but parents who worry about their children usually have the least to worry about. The greatest protection from drugs is self-esteem and resilience which good parenting will build. That said all kids are prone to experimentation and some can be simply unlucky - make sure your kids can talk to you about drugs, it's not unknown for basically good kids to get into medical emergencies and be afraid to call help until it's too late. Educate yourself, if you're not already - not all illegal drugs are equally 'bad' or 'risky' and a blanket - 'drugs are evil' approach doesn't work on clued up teenagers. Lots of advice online on how to talk to kids about drugs. My son (13) is studying drugs at school this term ('we're doing drugs this term mum' gave me a moments heart failure ) so lots of 'did you know dolphins eat puffer fish to get high' - no, but did you know bees eat cotton fruit to get drunk...conversations in our house at the moment. It's be wrong to say I don't worry but I worry equally about drink, sex, RTA's & him wasting his life on video games! After my sons first GCSE I asked him how it went. He said he was really nervous until his friend gave him a pill, and that really calmed him down. All my panic buttons started going off, but I remained calm. Any idea what this pill was I asked? One of these he said http://www.boots.com/en/Kalms-Tablets-200-Tablets_2275/ Not 100% happy about it, but it could have been worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 This doesn't altogether surprise me really. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/31629754/judge-says-wa-is-worst-in-world-for-meth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernbird Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Yeah we need it to deal with how shite it is!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deryans Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 so low socio economics here though....... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148576/Was-AFL-coach-s-son-high-ice-stabbed-father-death-Detectives-investigating-drug-link-killing-rocked-sporting-code.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quokka2005 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Isn't there already a thread saying this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjez Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 How can they say the war is all but lost? You spend money to fight it. Christ - what's more important - drug free children or a football stadium? Declare war on it and destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Isn't there already a thread saying this Not that I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolman Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 How can they say the war is all but lost? You spend money to fight it. Christ - what's more important - drug free children or a football stadium? Declare war on it and destroy it. Exactly, you can't just throw in the towel because it's too hard. It needs to be stamped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Duck Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Isn't there already a thread saying this Yes there is.:daydreaming: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 2 threads on the same topic have been merged, sorry for any repetition Cal x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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